Obviously, our previous head coach thought he was our best chance to win and so does our new coach. Gotta defer to their best judgment whether we like it or not. Pay me 10 mil and I ain't listing to anyone on this board either.
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But he didn't. The team chose Milroe, and the only thing that will convince me otherwise is if Milroe returns next season.
All of the draft busts of the past never seem to have any effect. Some guys are more concerned about missing on a possible superstar than they are about drafting reliable excellence.
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Is this fact, conjecture or another urban legend from the ranks of the cheap seats? I don't know the answer but I can guarantee Nick would not cave to a player or players. In regards to what is going on this season, our new head coach who has lost only 14 games in his 19 years as a head coach is not going to play players that don't give him his best chance of winning.
He kept Milroe so he could hold the roster together. Otherwise, the quitters leave, and DeBoer can't replace them because it was one way portal window. And DeBoer is a confident guy, so he probably thinks he can win with any of the QBs.
Maybe, I mean, I guess so if you say so. I don't really believe that but I am probably wrong. I think 5 G is frying our brains like a microwave but maybe wrong about that too. Point is, I am not acting like I am telling facts when I really don't know for sure. But I can certainly say for sure that I do not think Ty gives us a better chance to win because, well, I just don't know.
Or, let's be pragmatic (delusional) like many here and reckon he was held out of the Mizzou game except for handing off the ol' cross-buck into the line so as not to provide rivetingly scintillating film that LSU could deconstruct over the bye week and almost certainly short-circuit the surprise when he's sprung as the Tide offense's secret weapon next Satty night in Red Stick.
to me it's pretty simple - how well did our passing offense and total offense work with each QB at the helm?One thing I can't help but notice is how different Milroe is treated versus Bryce Young.
With each guy as a two year starter (though Jalen's second is incomplete), here's what we know:
Both guys lost at Tennessee in their first try.
Bryce 1-1 versus Tennessee, Jalen 1-1
Bryce 1-1 versus Georgia, Jalen 2-0
In their first years, Bryce lost in the playoff versus the national champion and Jalen lost in the playoff to the national champion.
Bryce didn't make the playoff at all in his second year. Milroe still to be determined.
Both guys played a ridiculously close game with Auburn their first year in command, requiring insane heroics to pull out the victory.
Both guys undefeated against Auburn
Bryce 1-1 versus LSU. Jalen 1-0 with one game to go...
Folks can get more in the weeds with the comparisons, but for every argument, there's a good counter. (Jalen lost to Vandy, but then Bryce had a far more solidly stable coaching situation. Milroe didn't win a Heisman, but he has set record breaking statistical marks, etc.) Where the rubber meets the road is success against rivals and winning championships. In that regard, the two guys are quite similar and I think it's inarguable that Milroe has navigated it all with college football, and our program particularly, in transition.
So again, why has only Milroe had to endure this crowd of ever-present critics? Why are other QB's allowed their share of mistakes, but each one by Milroe is proof that Bill O'Brien was a genius and that anyone but Jalen should be our starter?
BY in year 1 as a starter, just second year in program: 4872 yards passing, 47 TDs passing (add 4 TDs rushing so 51 accountable).
JM in year 1 as a starter, 3rd year in program: 2834 yards passing, with 23 TDs (add 12 rushing so 37 accountable).
It's just a huge dropoff in offensive efficiency. Not that JM has to be BY, but a 2000 yard dropoff in passing yards with 24 fewer TD is simply a shocking drop.
For context - Blake Sims and Jake Coker both passed for more than 3k in their first years starting. The only other modern QB less than 3k - both Jalen Hurts seasons where both were right at 2700 (first year Jalen only and second year combined with Jalen and Tua since Tua did get more attempts than the average back up). Tua had 3900+ and Mac had 4500. Hurts first year total passing offense was still greater than Milroes first year (accounting for backups playing some, etc), so Hurts first year was slightly better overall than JMs, but barely)
AJ didn't cross 3k his first year (did his third), but that was in more of our old school offense days before we brought Kiffin in to transition us to a more offense oriented team. I think a guy like AJ could have been close to Mac like in the offense we had in 2020 though.
In a more even comparison, just looking at the three dual threat QBs since Kiffin; since you might want to think about total scrimmage production instead of just passing due to their dual threat tag (name year, passing yards, rushing yards, total yards, total TDs):
Sims 2014, 3487 + 350, 3837 (28 + 7) 35
Hurts 2016, 2780 + 954, 3734 (23 + 13) 36
Milroe 2023, 2834 + 534, 3368 (23 +12) 35
Oh, and total offense for Sims was 484/game and Hurts was 455/game. Milroe was 393/game.
I've said again and again, I understand why folks get excited about potential, but the bottom line is that potential just isn't being realized.
Well maybe it's not Ty. Maybe it's Dylan Lonergan or even Austin Mack, but Ty is next in line, so that's who I'm calling for. If he played bad, then I'd be calling for Lonergan, then I'd be calling for Mack. With all the QB talent we have in that room, you're gonna tell me there's no someone better than the worst QB we've had in 20 years? There's gotta be
Nick Saban gradually elevated the level of expectation of the QB position at Alabama. We started off with game managers like JPW and GMac. Then we got AJ McCarron who (IMO) ended up being a tweener between a Game Manager and a "franchise" QB. From there we went to Blake Sims/Jake Coker who could manage a game but could also take the top of a defense with their arms. Then we go from there to Jalen Hurts, to Tua, to Mac then to Bryce.
What you're looking at are massive upgrades in the level of play from the QB position that Nick installed. With those upgrades come the expectations. The QB position at Alabama is now expected to play on an efficient but championship level. It's no longer just hand the ball off and complete a few passes per game when asked. The game is a QB driven sport and isn't changing anytime soon.
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If not Simpson, then Lonergan and if not Lonergan, then Mack. It's not like any of them are going to burn a redshirt by playing some when it might matter, especially if the offense is kinda stuck in neutral and needs a kick.
you're gonna tell me there's no someone better than the worst QB we've had in 20 years? There's gotta be
Some perspective: Leaving aside the notion that Milroe is not preferable to JPW or McElroy, the "worst QB we've had in 20 years" would be the clear starter at 11 maybe 12 other schools in the SEC.
Some perspective: Leaving aside the notion that Milroe is not preferable to JPW or McElroy, the "worst QB we've had in 20 years" would be the clear starter at 11 maybe 12 other schools in the SEC.
Seems like to some people he'd have to be nearly perfect in every game and we'd have to beat everyone by 14+ in order for him to be viewed as capable of playing QB at any level.
I used to think Tua was a pretty good QB, but then he went 22/34 for 295 yards with 2 TD's and 2 INTs and we lost by a bunch against Clemson...that's when I knew he was a bum.
Saban was scared of Milroe because Milroe stole his Little Debbie snacks at recess.
The people constantly defending him are absolutely part of the problem too. He is the most polarizing player in recent memory. I don’t know what else you expect me to say.
Shout out to ColbySullivan. NILroe is a classic lol.
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You give Bryce Young the defense Jalen Milroe had last year and there’s another title in the trophy case. If he had that level of competence on the defense for two years? Two titles.One thing I can't help but notice is how different Milroe is treated versus Bryce Young.
With each guy as a two year starter (though Jalen's second is incomplete), here's what we know:
Both guys lost at Tennessee in their first try.
Bryce 1-1 versus Tennessee, Jalen 1-1
Bryce 1-1 versus Georgia, Jalen 2-0
In their first years, Bryce lost in the playoff versus the national champion and Jalen lost in the playoff to the national champion.
Bryce didn't make the playoff at all in his second year. Milroe still to be determined.
Both guys played a ridiculously close game with Auburn their first year in command, requiring insane heroics to pull out the victory.
Both guys undefeated against Auburn
Bryce 1-1 versus LSU. Jalen 1-0 with one game to go...
Folks can get more in the weeds with the comparisons, but for every argument, there's a good counter. (Jalen lost to Vandy, but then Bryce had a far more solidly stable coaching situation. Milroe didn't win a Heisman, but he has set record breaking statistical marks, etc.) Where the rubber meets the road is success against rivals and winning championships. In that regard, the two guys are quite similar and I think it's inarguable that Milroe has navigated it all with college football, and our program particularly, in transition.
So again, why has only Milroe had to endure this crowd of ever-present critics? Why are other QB's allowed their share of mistakes, but each one by Milroe is proof that Bill O'Brien was a genius and that anyone but Jalen should be our starter?
The defense held this team together and let the glass cannon offense finally hit deep balls.
There is no comparison in regards to quarterback ability.
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