Milroe's accuracy

[CrimsonTitles]

you're gonna tell me there's no someone better than the worst QB we've had in 20 years? There's gotta be

Some perspective: Leaving aside the notion that Milroe is not preferable to JPW or McElroy, the "worst QB we've had in 20 years" would be the clear starter at 11 maybe 12 other schools in the SEC.

There is no planet where he is better than John Parker or Greg. No planet. Both of those guys would have beaten UCheaT.

 

[colbysullivan]

One thing I can't help but notice is how different Milroe is treated versus Bryce Young.

With each guy as a two year starter (though Jalen's second is incomplete), here's what we know:

Both guys lost at Tennessee in their first try.
Bryce 1-1 versus Tennessee, Jalen 1-1
Bryce 1-1 versus Georgia, Jalen 2-0
In their first years, Bryce lost in the playoff versus the national champion and Jalen lost in the playoff to the national champion.
Bryce didn't make the playoff at all in his second year. Milroe still to be determined.
Both guys played a ridiculously close game with Auburn their first year in command, requiring insane heroics to pull out the victory.
Both guys undefeated against Auburn
Bryce 1-1 versus LSU. Jalen 1-0 with one game to go...

Folks can get more in the weeds with the comparisons, but for every argument, there's a good counter. (Jalen lost to Vandy, but then Bryce had a far more solidly stable coaching situation. Milroe didn't win a Heisman, but he has set record breaking statistical marks, etc.) Where the rubber meets the road is success against rivals and winning championships. In that regard, the two guys are quite similar and I think it's inarguable that Milroe has navigated it all with college football, and our program particularly, in transition.

So again, why has only Milroe had to endure this crowd of ever-present critics? Why are other QB's allowed their share of mistakes, but each one by Milroe is proof that Bill O'Brien was a genius and that anyone but Jalen should be our starter?

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it million more times: context matters.

 

[mlh]

There is no planet where he is better than John Parker or Greg. No planet. Both of those guys would have beaten UCheaT

I'm telling you, GMac would've been amazing in CKD's offense. He had the mental faculties to read the defense - both pre and post snap - and had the accuracy on the short to mid-range passes.

 

[colbysullivan]

I'm telling you, GMac would've been amazing in CKD's offense. He had the mental faculties to read the defense - both pre and post snap - and had the accuracy on the short to mid-range passes.

He likely would not have thrown the Pick6 against Vandy, and I guarantee you we would have possessed the ball for more than 18 minutes…

As for the Tennessee game, his cerebral approach would have eventually worn down their defense. I can’t say he beats UGA though. To that end, wouldn’t we rather be 7-1 with a loss to UGA rather than where we are now?

 

[davefrat]

That’s mine

But did you call Dibs?

 

[CrimsonTitles]

He likely would not have thrown the Pick6 against Vandy, and I guarantee you we would have possessed the ball for more than 18 minutes…

As for the Tennessee game, his cerebral approach would have eventually worn down their defense. I can’t say he beats UGA though. To that end, wouldn’t we rather be 7-1 with a loss to UGA rather than where we are now?

Ordinarily, but I don't know if I could take listening to that insufferable fan base talk about how they've overtaken us. At least we got to humble them.

 

[colbysullivan]

But did you call Dibs?

I mean, that’s not how coining a phrase works.

But since you asked. Dibs…no take backs…no erasies…

 

[colbysullivan]

Ordinarily, but I don't know if I could take listening to that insufferable fan base talk about how they've overtaken us. At least we got to humble them.

The point is we would still be in serious contention for the SEC championship in that scenario…

 

[CrimsonTitles]

The point is we would still be in contention for the SEC championship in that scenario…

No, I agree. But man, that would be tough to deal with lol. Georgia is my most hated rival. But at the end of the day, the goal is to win a natty, so I'd take it, but it would hurt my heart, almost as much as this does, but a natty would cure all

 

[CB4]

I mean, Bama has played five top-25 defenses so far in 2024 and JM's QB rating ranks 15th in the country.

Again, he has gaping holes in his game, but goodness, the way some here post you'd think he couldn't throw a forward pass...

Okay I’ll concede he can throw the forward pass. Now if he could just do it behind the line of scrimmage…

(Sorry low hanging fruit…couldn’t resist..)

 

[gtgilbert]

No, I agree. But man, that would be tough to deal with lol. Georgia is my most hated rival. But at the end of the day, the goal is to win a natty, so I'd take it, but it would hurt my heart, almost as much as this does, but a natty would cure all

UGA is at best, 4th down the list for me. UT is, and will forever be #1. The goathumpers on the plains #2, and the corndogs are #3.

 

[colbysullivan]

UGA is at best, 4th down the list for me. UT is, and will forever be #1. The goathumpers on the plains #2, and the corndogs are #3.

Yeah. UGA’s not even a rival.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

Show me a game (any game of your choice) where he hits multiple receivers on multiple levels in stride, throws receivers open consistently, consistently goes up to the line of scrimmage and reads the defense and knows what the defense is doing and correctly changes the play or slides the protection correctly.
You know, things that good QBs are supposed to be able to do on a consistent basis. Especially after being in a system for 4 years and supposedly working with a QB coach all this time and working with receivers over the summers and such.
We'll start there.

 

[colbysullivan]

Show me a game (any game of your choice) where he hits multiple receivers on multiple levels in stride, throws receivers open consistently, consistently goes up to the line of scrimmage and reads the defense and knows what the defense is doing and correctly changes the play or slides the protection correctly.
You know, things that good QBs are supposed to be able to do on a consistent basis. Especially after being in a system for 4 years and supposedly working with a QB coach all this time and working with receivers over the summers and such.
We'll start there.

Come on man. You can’t let a silly thing like on-field performance dictate who should be QB1 at The University of Alabama…

 

[Toddrn]

The Milroe apologists aren't going to admit he's not as good as they say he is any more than I am going to admit that he's better than I think he is.

 

[81usaf92]

One thing I can't help but notice is how different Milroe is treated versus Bryce Young.

With each guy as a two year starter (though Jalen's second is incomplete), here's what we know:

Both guys lost at Tennessee in their first try.
Bryce 1-1 versus Tennessee, Jalen 1-1
Bryce 1-1 versus Georgia, Jalen 2-0
In their first years, Bryce lost in the playoff versus the national champion and Jalen lost in the playoff to the national champion.
Bryce didn't make the playoff at all in his second year. Milroe still to be determined.
Both guys played a ridiculously close game with Auburn their first year in command, requiring insane heroics to pull out the victory.
Both guys undefeated against Auburn
Bryce 1-1 versus LSU. Jalen 1-0 with one game to go...

Folks can get more in the weeds with the comparisons, but for every argument, there's a good counter. (Jalen lost to Vandy, but then Bryce had a far more solidly stable coaching situation. Milroe didn't win a Heisman, but he has set record breaking statistical marks, etc.) Where the rubber meets the road is success against rivals and winning championships. In that regard, the two guys are quite similar and I think it's inarguable that Milroe has navigated it all with college football, and our program particularly, in transition.

So again, why has only Milroe had to endure this crowd of ever-present critics? Why are other QB's allowed their share of mistakes, but each one by Milroe is proof that Bill O'Brien was a genius and that anyone but Jalen should be our starter?

Well here is the thing, Bryce was many things that Milroe never was.

1) probably the most important was he was the heir apparent to Mac Jones in a very seamless transition. Bryce never really had any competition to the job and everyone could see the quarterbacking skills and generational talent that Bryce had.

Milroe on the other hand has always been looked at as “the best we got in the stable” at best or “fill in the blank” at worst. Not even his most passionate supporters could honestly say after the 2022 aTm game that Milroe was the future. So it’s never been an easy transition.

Milroe has never ended the debate between him and Ty. I mean Blake Sims’s situation is eerily similar to Milroe’s in that no one saw him as the successor of AJ while AJ was playing, and then there is a heated competition. But at the end of it Blake pretty much ended the debate on the field whereas Milroe keeps people remembering the guy from the 2022 aTm game.

2) His attitude. Bryce has carried himself more like a typical Saban player in that he is graceful on and off the field and hardly ever makes the situation seem to be more about him than the team.

Milroe on the other hand… I’ll leave it there.

3) I don’t think comparing games against individual teams is a good metric in this case for several reasons. 1 in because those are totally different teams going against each other with totally different skill sets. Because if we are going to go there then it makes Milroe look way worse when you realize that Bryce was going Hendon Hooker in a 90+ game during a loss and Milroe was in a 24-17 two mules and a turnip game in a loss.

The two Auburn games were washes.

And Georgia I would say Bryce factored far more into the outcome in SECCG than Milroe did in his. The rematches are kinda weird in that Bryce was without both his top targets due to injury and Milroe has an insane amount of targets.

But it’s also important to remember… football is a TEAM sport. Yes a quarterback can affect wins and losses more than just about every position, but 90% of wins and losses are because one team is just better than the other.

In summary I think Milroe gets alot more grief because he is nowhere the quarterback that Bryce was, how he carries himself, and just because he has just never won over the fan base.

 

[JDCrimson]

I will sum up my views on Milroe as to why he frustrates me so...

1) Half of Milroe's 25 rushing TDs should have gone to our immensely talented RBs,
2) If we had limited talent at the skill positions, I likely would have a much more favorable opinion of Milroe. But when you have 4-5 star talent at the skill positions 2 deep, it is detrimental to player development and recruiting for the offense to revolve around 1 player who arguably has less of a ceiling than some other skill guys.
3) Watching him execute the offense is like watching a homerun derby.

If we had a Nussmeier or Weigman as our QB we would likely be undefeated or a 1 loss team right now.

 

[BamaMoon]

Well here is the thing, Bryce was many things that Milroe never was.

1) probably the most important was he was the heir apparent to Mac Jones in a very seamless transition. Bryce never really had any competition to the job and everyone could see the quarterbacking skills and generational talent that Bryce had.

Milroe on the other hand has always been looked at as “the best we got in the stable” at best or “fill in the blank” at worst. Not even his most passionate supporters could honestly say after the 2022 aTm game that Milroe was the future. So it’s never been an easy transition.

Milroe has never ended the debate between him and Ty. I mean Blake Sims’s situation is eerily similar to Milroe’s in that no one saw him as the successor of AJ while AJ was playing, and then there is a heated competition. But at the end of it Blake pretty much ended the debate on the field whereas Milroe keeps people remembering the guy from the 2022 aTm game.

2) His attitude. Bryce has carried himself more like a typical Saban player in that he is graceful on and off the field and hardly ever makes the situation seem to be more about him than the team.

Milroe on the other hand… I’ll leave it there.

3) I don’t think comparing games against individual teams. Because if we are going to go there then it makes Milroe look way worse when you realize that Bryce was going Hendon Hooker in a 90+ game during a loss and Milroe was in a 24-17 two mules and a turnip game in a loss.

The two Auburn games were washes.

And Georgia I would say Bryce factored far more into the outcome in SECCG than Milroe did in his. The rematches are kinda weird in that Bryce was without both his top targets due to injury and Milroe has an insane amount of targets.

But it’s also important to remember… football is a TEAM sport. Yes a quarterback can affect wins and losses more than just about every position, but 90% of wins and losses are because one team is just better than the other.

In summary I think Milroe gets alot more grief because he is nowhere the quarterback that Bryce was, how he carries himself, and just because he has just never won over the fan base.

Dude, you nail it. Love your perspectives.

 

[BamaMoon]

I will sum up my views on Milroe as to why he frustrates me so...

1) Half of Milroe's 25 rushing TDs should have gone to our immensely talented RBs,
2) If we had limited talent at the skill positions, I likely would have a much more favorable opinion of Milroe. But when you have 4-5 star talent at the skill positions 2 deep, it is detrimental to player development and recruiting for the offense to revolve around 1 player who arguably has less of a ceiling than some other skill guys.
3) Watching him execute the offense is like watching a homerun derby.

If we had a Nussmeier or Weigman as our QB we would likely be undefeated or a 1 loss team right now.

Man, quit making so much sense!

But seriously, your #1 is smoking hot truth and #2 is on point too!

 

[BamaMoon]

Here's where I'm at.

I've got opinions, but that's all they are.

My hope is that Milroe shines like the sun the rest of the year and trots off into the NFL draft.