BREAKING Joe Biden pardons his son, Hunter

[AWRTR]

One interesting part is the dates covered by the pardon. It starts in January 2014. Hunter was put on the board of Burisma in April 2014. Is that a coincidence or is Biden trying to insulate Hunter and himself from anything that can be found concerning any influence peddling that took place after that in Ukraine, China, or another nation to be named later? The pardon is very broad. It wasn't just about tax charges or gun charges. It's a blanket pardon for any federal crime within the dates listed as I understand it. If I'm wrong about the broad nature of the pardon please correct me.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

One interesting part is the dates covered by the pardon. It starts in January 2014. Hunter was put on the board of Burisma in April 2014. Is that a coincidence or is Biden trying to insulate Hunter and himself from anything that can be found concerning any influence peddling that took place after that in Ukraine, China, or another nation to be named later? The pardon is very broad. It wasn't just about tax charges or gun charges. It's a blanket pardon for any federal crime within the dates listed as I understand it. If I'm wrong about the broad nature of the pardon please correct me.

Your understanding of this mirrors mine and while it's certainly eyebrow-raising in its implications, there seems to be little dialogue about this part. I don't really expect those barking gargoyles in the corporate press to really get into it that deeply, but they should (and totally would if they were real journalists.) I'm willing to bet that a full-blown, above-board investigation into Burisma and other Ukrainian businesses would reveal a lot of bad faith actors on both sides of the aisle. For a long time, Ukraine was known as one of (if not THE) most corrupt countries in the world. I highly doubt any of that changed after the 2014 coup.

 

[jthomas666]

The obfuscation was your post's attempt to frame the prosecution of Hunter as political. The gun charges? Maybe. I could see many a prosecutor dropping something like this. The tax evasion? No way. Any ordinary citizen would go to the slammer for knowingly not reporting over $1M in income on their tax return. Of this I am certain.

You are reading things into my post that simply wasn't there. All the post said was that "Hunter Biden wasn't prosecuted for profiting from his father's position in politics."

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

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"For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law." Oscar Benavides, President of Peru, 1914-15, 1933-39

Biden now occupies shelf space in history next to an authoritarian fascist; ironically, the space that was supposed to left empty by defeating Trump (who may yet join him there; we'll see), had the Democrats succeeded in so doing.

The statesmanlike path would've been to make a private deal with Trump (and absolutely no one else on Biden's team could know). "I'll pardon you now to put your past in the past, for the good of our fractured nation; you pardon Hunter on January 20 to put his past in the past, for the further good of our fractured nation; we both get to set an example of magnanimity by using the power of our office to shield our opponents from political prosecution, for the furthest good of our fractured nation; and no one else will ever know about our deal unless you renege on your end of it."

 

[Jon]

"For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law." Oscar Benavides, President of Peru, 1914-15, 1933-39

Biden now occupies shelf space in history next to an authoritarian fascist; ironically, the space that was supposed to left empty by defeating Trump (who may yet join him there; we'll see), had the Democrats succeeded in so doing.

The statesmanlike path would've been to make a private deal with Trump (and absolutely no one else on Biden's team could know). "I'll pardon you now to put your past in the past, for the good of our fractured nation; you pardon Hunter on January 20 to put his past in the past, for the further good of our fractured nation; we both get to set an example of magnanimity by using the power of our office to shield our opponents from political prosecution, for the furthest good of our fractured nation; and no one else will ever know about our deal unless you renege on your end of it."

yeah, because if we know one thing absolutely know about Trump is that he keeps his word

this is the US the right wanted

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

yeah, because if we know one thing absolutely know about Trump is that he keeps his word

this is the US the right wanted

Trump likes to make deals. His whole life has been about making deals. Offer him one. Too late now, of course...

 

[Jon]

Trump likes to make deals. His whole life has been about making deals. Offer him one. Too late now, of course...

he likes to make deals and then screw over the people who he made the deal with. We've known this since the 1980's

Only an idiot would take his word

 

[CrimsonNagus]

"For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law." Oscar Benavides, President of Peru, 1914-15, 1933-39

Biden now occupies shelf space in history next to an authoritarian fascist; ironically, the space that was supposed to left empty by defeating Trump (who may yet join him there; we'll see), had the Democrats succeeded in so doing.

The statesmanlike path would've been to make a private deal with Trump (and absolutely no one else on Biden's team could know). "I'll pardon you now to put your past in the past, for the good of our fractured nation; you pardon Hunter on January 20 to put his past in the past, for the further good of our fractured nation; we both get to set an example of magnanimity by using the power of our office to shield our opponents from political prosecution, for the furthest good of our fractured nation; and no one else will ever know about our deal unless you renege on your end of it."

How do we know that they didn't try to reach a "statesman" deal with Trump and Trump refused? You throw out your speculation like it would definitely happen if they had only asked their dear lord and savior Trump.

Plus, if I was Biden, I would rather help my son by myself and not have to make some nasty deal with a scumbag like Trump. What does Joe Biden care at this point, his political career is over.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

he likes to make deals and then screw over the people who he made the deal with. We've known this since the 1980's

Only an idiot would take his word

Biden wouldn't have had to take Trump's word. He would've had a hole card: renege and I'll go public. Trump may not care for himself, but things like that can swing by-elections like 2026's -- already a difficult year for Republicans based on the numbers -- and produce two Democratic houses of Congress for him to deal with in his final two years.

There are a million reasons one can manufacture for either side not to trust the other, and only one to trust anyway: if it works, the payoff is potentially huge. A little detente (however risky) is occasionally what leaders are called to do.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

What is the up side for President Biden? Like I said, his political career is over. He doesn't have to save face for anyone that actually matters in his life right now. You think he really cares what the media, the public or the politicians that kicked him to the curb, think right now.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

What is the up side for President Biden? Like I said, his political career is over. He doesn't have to save face for anyone that actually matters in his life right now. You think he really cares what the media, the public or the politicians that kicked him to the curb, think right now.

It depends on if he's a politician, or a leader. His choice (if it went down as it appears) is self-revelatory...

 

[CrimsonNagus]

I hope you have this same negative reaction when Trumps pardons 100s of terrorist in January. I doubt it though.

 

[bamamc1]

Libertarian here but I think we all need to ask ourself one thing: If that was my child, what would I do? I have a high school senior daughter and I don't really think I would let her be sent to prison if I could do something about it. At the end of the day, we're not all politicians but most of us are parents.

 

[jthomas666]

Biden wouldn't have had to take Trump's word. He would've had a hole card: renege and I'll go public. Trump may not care for himself, but things like that can swing by-elections like 2026's -- already a difficult year for Republicans based on the numbers -- and produce two Democratic houses of Congress for him to deal with in his final two years.

So what you're saying is that reneging on a deal with Biden is what would finally turn people against Trump?

And there is no hole card here; the second Biden pardons Trump, everyone would know some kind of deal was made.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Libertarian here but I think we all need to ask ourself one thing: If that was my child, what would I do? I have a high school senior daughter and I don't really think I would let her be sent to prison if I could do something about it. At the end of the day, we're not all politicians but most of us are parents.

I would pardon anyone in my family in a heart beat. It would be the easiest decision of my Presidency. I think the people that really believed Biden months ago are the ones being naive. He was always going to pardon his son.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Libertarian here but I think we all need to ask ourself one thing: If that was my child, what would I do? I have a high school senior daughter and I don't really think I would let her be sent to prison if I could do something about it. At the end of the day, we're not all politicians but most of us are parents.

I tend to follow the libertarian train of thought 98% of the time. I mostly believe in drug decriminalization, so his crack habit meant nothing to me. I support 2A, so his gun charge meant nothing to me. I believe that taxation is theft, so the only problem I have with his not paying his taxes is solely based on the fact that the rest of us still have to pay ours. This pardon was Joe covering his own ass more so than Hunter's, IMO. The influence peddling and bribery are serious crimes, if proven some day. And yeah, I'd die for my kids so I would certainly break the law for them.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

I hope you have this same negative reaction when Trumps pardons 100s of terrorist in January. I doubt it though.

Make all the assumptions you want. Suffice it to say I worked on the 2024 campaign of a Republican candidate not named Trump precisely because of Trump's behavior from the 2020 election to January 20, 2021.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

So what you're saying is that reneging on a deal with Biden is what would finally turn people against Trump?...

90% or so of people are unalterably opinioned on Trump one way or the other, but the remaining 10% decide elections in seven or so states, as we just witnessed. They will matter again in 2026.

...And there is no hole card here; the second Biden pardons Trump, everyone would know some kind of deal was made.

No, but people might suspect one when/if Trump followed through on his end. But even if they suspect, it could never be proven if both guys kept to their story for the sake of the republic. Biden: "I pardoned Trump for the sake of our republic." Trump: "I pardoned Biden for the sake of our republic."

I grant you this deal was unlikely to be offered, and unlikelier then to be accepted, and perhaps even more unlikely then to be fully consummated, given the obvious character and leadership flaws of both men.

I began this train of thought with the phrase, "The statesmanlike path..." Clearly most believe that statesmanlike tendencies represented a flawed premise to begin with. Maybe so; but you never know unless you first try; unless you're interested in leading factions more than a nation...

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

...I mostly believe in drug decriminalization...

Until I lived in Oregon, so did I. No longer...

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

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