Bama Players Transferring (catch all thread)

[bamajas]

No offense and I see what you are trying to say but to compare Alabama Football, the most dominant dynasty in all of the land, to the lowly A's is a stretch at best. Oakland was playing with a much more severe deficit. To be more detailed, Oakland spent 40 million in 2002 and the Yankees spent over 120 million. Multiple other teams also spent over 100 million. Will we be the top NIL allocator to athletes? Doubtful. With that being said, we will be close enough that for the athletes that have the right intentions and see the compensatory advantage Bama should give them on the back end, we should be fine.

And the "Courtney Morgan effect" is to prioritize relationships between the program and the player/family. No HC has the time to do that for the entire team. Plenty of teams now have a GM, but having the right people skills + football acumen is going to be rare

 

[4Q Basket Case]

It's not about just paying athletes; it's about paying the right ones. I would venture to say that most of the ones paid will not live up to the money they are paid. This is common in the NFL, guys "get paid" and fall off the map, then some excel. It's a gamble. But in the college football world of hits and misses, there will be more misses than hits when it comes to dumping money into an 18-22 year old amateur athlete.

I agree. The question I have is whether the people funding the pay-for-play care.

IOW, they're smart enough to know that over the long haul, there will be more hits than misses. Ironically, it's hardest to extrapolate HS performance to college in the positions that command the most pay-for-play money: QB and OT.

So they flush a few million on a hot-shot HS QB who never quite pans out. Do they care? I'd say that for a lot of the huge money donors, they don't. They're not looking for a monetary return because (1) they already have more money than several generations can spend, and (2) while the amounts involved are mind-boggling for most of us, they're pocket change for these guys.

If they wanted a financial return, they'd put that money into their businesses or in the stock market.

They're looking for the feeling they get of being on the inside, having the President, AD and Head Coach on speed dial, helping their favorite school win games, and have some influence in the Athletic Department. For these guys, few misses on talent evaluation and/or motivation to put in the work to develop is just part of the game.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I agree. The question I have is whether the people funding the pay-for-play care.

IOW, they're smart enough to know that over the long haul, there will be more hits than misses. Ironically, it's hardest to extrapolate HS performance to college in the positions that command the most pay-for-play money: QB and OT.

So they flush a few million on a hot-shot HS QB who never quite pans out. Do they care? I'd say that for a lot of the huge money donors, they don't. They're not looking for a monetary return because (1) they already have more money than several generations can spend, and (2) while the amounts involved are mind-boggling for most of us, they're pocket change for these guys.

If they wanted a financial return, they'd put that money into their businesses or in the stock market.

They're looking for the feeling they get of being on the inside, having the President, AD and Head Coach on speed dial, helping their favorite school win games, and have some influence in the Athletic Department. A few misses on talent evaluation and/or motivation to put in the work to develop is just part of the game.

Their "return" will be viewed in the W/L column. These billionaires/Millionaires are so competitive that if their money isn't resulting in the type of success they feel is acceptable, I'd imagine questions will start to be asked. But I go back to what Saban said on the Gameday Set, you BETTER pay the right players because if you don't your "crap" out of luck.

 

[cdub55]

You think we have seen coaching turnover in the past, wait until the coming years unfold under the current system. If a billionaire has unloaded 20 million on a group of players and the team has a less than stellar year. What does an AD do when he gets the phone call following the season that goes like this...

Booster: "Hey, Mr. ____ I just wanted to give you a heads up that I will no longer need to be receiving phone calls or emails from our university. If you can take me off the list I would appreciate that. Have a great day!"

AD: "Ummm ummm ummm, now just wait a second please. Why's that sir?"

Booster: "Well I just happened to call my bank this morning and asked them how much money I have sent yall for recruits this year because I was just curious. They called me back and told me it was 8 million dollars. You know I love this university and I think it should be the best university in the world and I could care less about the money. I just happen to believe I should be getting more than one win per million I donate. So here's where I'm at Mr. ______. If you want to keep me on that speed dial, I am going to need to see another person on our sideline next year. I run my company and I don't run that school so I'll leave that up to you. Have a great day!"

 

[some_al_fan]

You think we have seen coaching turnover in the past, wait until the coming years unfold under the current system. If a billionaire has unloaded 20 million on a group of players and the team has a less than stellar year. What does an AD do when he gets the phone call following the season that goes like this... AD would say "20 million? Go buy yourself a hamburger.” Please take a look at buyouts of college coaches: The 30 biggest college football coaching buyouts in 2024 It’ll cost these schools a whole lot of money to fire their football coaches this season. ftw.usatoday.com …. Norvell: $63,778,333 DeBoer: $70,050,000 Kirby Smart: $118,083,333

 

[cdub55]

AD would say "20 million? Go buy yourself a hamburger.” Please take a look at buyouts of college coaches: The 30 biggest college football coaching buyouts in 2024 It’ll cost these schools a whole lot of money to fire their football coaches this season. ftw.usatoday.com …. Norvell: $63,778,333 DeBoer: $70,050,000 Kirby Smart: $118,083,333

Assuming a contract still exists. Those things do run out ya know...

My point stands. This will not equate to booster's playing a lesser of a role in getting their opinions pushed across tables on admin at the highest of levels.

 

[KrAzY3]

Not many billionaires would probably consider giving an 18yo millions to play CFB....and then see them transfer to another school a year later. The system is broken as we know...on the player / team side and probably on the donation side upcoming...investment requires some semblance of stability and currently its the Wild west. One interesting story - the former owner of the Milwaukee Bucks is looking to buy college programs..he's willing to pay up to $500M, he sees it as an emerging opportunity...now that is really concerning!

Former Bucks owner Lasry actively trying to buy college football/basketball teams

“Former Milwaukee Bucks owner Marc Lasry says he is actively trying to buy college football and basketball teams” — “we’re bidding on a couple of teams” https://x.com/JoePompliano/status/1865184030259376526

www.coogfans.com

Well, when guys like Larry Ellison (worth over 200 billion) step in and buy a quarterback, it is time to really start to be concerned.

I've become increasingly set on the idea of the SEC and Big 10 breaking away. The sooner the better. With about 40 strong programs separated from the rest of the garbage, I think you can start to see some common sense rules and less of the wild west stuff we're seeing now.

The playoff just drove home how stupid this all has become. Paying hundreds of millions a year in the playoff so the Big 12 and group of crap can participate? Letting a WNBA reporter be on the committee? It's all nonsense.

That of course extends to things like the current transfer rules. These simply can't continue, but as long as everyone has a say you will have a cacophony of voices and frankly a lot of people that simply want chaos because they have absolutely no chance of success otherwise.

So, the sooner the SEC and Big 10 get off this sinking ship the better.

 

[TiderJack]

Here is a really good article on who we are losing to either draft, graduation or transfer and our needs. This guy is predicted we will have 59 returning scholarship players and when adding the '25 signing class we will end up taking 9 or so players in the portal.

MSN

 

[TheRealPokeChop]

Here is a really good article on who we are losing to either draft, graduation or transfer and our needs. This guy is predicted we will have 59 returning scholarship players and when adding the '25 signing class we will end up taking 9 or so players in the portal.

MSN

He is wrong about the 4th year seniors having a covid year but that doesn't matter since he correctly assumed they would all be gone.
Other than that uts a pretty good guess. Though we are definitely taking a bandit (Collins hopefully)

Im also not sure if we take mutile corners unless we lose some to portal or Jackson goes pro.

Im also not 100% certain Lawson will head to the draft, given his injury but I would have expected it up until then.

 

[Cruiser]

Well, when guys like Larry Ellison (worth over 200 billion) step in and buy a quarterback, it is time to really start to be concerned.

I've become increasingly set on the idea of the SEC and Big 10 breaking away. The sooner the better. With about 40 strong programs separated from the rest of the garbage, I think you can start to see some common sense rules and less of the wild west stuff we're seeing now.

The playoff just drove home how stupid this all has become. Paying hundreds of millions a year in the playoff so the Big 12 and group of crap can participate? Letting a WNBA reporter be on the committee? It's all nonsense.

That of course extends to things like the current transfer rules. These simply can't continue, but as long as everyone has a say you will have a cacophony of voices and frankly a lot of people that simply want chaos because they have absolutely no chance of success otherwise.

So, the sooner the SEC and Big 10 get off this sinking ship the better.

Who is the WNBA reporter?

 

[KrAzY3]

Who is the WNBA reporter?

Kelly Whiteside

I'm sure you're familiar with her from all the college football reporting...

I did try to find something relevant, but instead I find things like this:
" Professor Whiteside has always been passionate about female athletes and female sports reporters being treated with the same respect as their male counterparts. So it meant a lot to her being a female reporter covering a women’s soccer game that was treated with the same level of coverage as a sporting event like the Super-Bowl. "

What the committee clearly needed was someone concerned with inclusion and focused on that.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Kelly Whiteside

I'm sure you're familiar with her from all the college football reporting...

I did try to find something relevant, but instead I find things like this:
" Professor Whiteside has always been passionate about female athletes and female sports reporters being treated with the same respect as their male counterparts. So it meant a lot to her being a female reporter covering a women’s soccer game that was treated with the same level of coverage as a sporting event like the Super-Bowl. "

What the committee clearly needed was someone concerned with inclusion and focused on that.

I hear they are adding 3 new additions to the college football playoff committee next year. A stray dog, a 4 year old that loves to fingerpaint, and a Japanese geisha girl that doesn't speak English and has no idea what college football is.

 

[KrAzY3]

I hear they are adding 3 new additions to the college football playoff committee next year. A stray dog, a 4 year old that loves to fingerpaint, and a Japanese geisha girl that doesn't speak English and has no idea what college football is.

Is this the wrong time to bring up the fact that Whiteside also covered the Westminster Dog Show?

I find articles from the WNBA, female Olympic sports, women's college basketball, dog shows, NBA, Negro League, and a couple stray articles about an old golfer and a woman in a male sport. The only thing I'm not seeing are college football articles.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Is this the wrong time to bring up the fact that Whiteside also covered the Westminster Dog Show?

I find articles from the WNBA, female Olympic sports, women's college basketball, dog shows, NBA, Negro League, and a couple stray articles about an old golfer and a woman in a male sport. The only thing I'm not seeing are college football articles.

so she and the stray dog will get along great

 

[Cruiser]

Kelly Whiteside

I'm sure you're familiar with her from all the college football reporting...

I did try to find something relevant, but instead I find things like this:
" Professor Whiteside has always been passionate about female athletes and female sports reporters being treated with the same respect as their male counterparts. So it meant a lot to her being a female reporter covering a women’s soccer game that was treated with the same level of coverage as a sporting event like the Super-Bowl. "

What the committee clearly needed was someone concerned with inclusion and focused on that.

Kelly Whiteside spent 14 years at USA Today as a national college football writer and also specialized in reporting on the Olympics and World Cup. She has covered seven Olympic Games, nine World Cups (men's and women's) as well as the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL and multiple college sports. Whiteside was the first female president of the Football Writers Association of America (FWAA).

 

[KrAzY3]

Kelly Whiteside spent 14 years at USA Today as a national college football writer and also specialized in reporting on the Olympics and World Cup. She has covered seven Olympic Games, nine World Cups (men's and women's) as well as the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL and multiple college sports. Whiteside was the first female president of the Football Writers Association of America (FWAA).

I'm sure at some point she covered college football because it says it right there on her bio. I can't find those articles, but they must exist. Having said that, she has a stated preference for diversity driven coverage (which shows up in the diversity of things she covered). Which begs the question of whether or not she is more of an expert on college football than she is on on 3X3 women's basketball which she also covered.

Also, it's a shame they left out her coverage of the Westminster Dog Show and a woman playing in an indoor soccer league.

 

[Cruiser]

I'm sure at some point she covered college football because it says it right there on her bio. Having said that, she has a stated preference for diversity driven coverage (which shows up in the diversity of things she covered). Which begs the question of whether or not she is more of an expert on college football than she is on on 3X3 women's basketball which she also covered.

I guess we do not know the answer to that question; but she was not president of the 3x3 women's basketball writers association.
She also co-authored the book A War in Dixie: Alabama v Auburn with Ivan Maisel who is a respected writer
Maybe she was a good choice; maybe not. But a lot more than a WNBA reporter
Obviously; there is a desire to have some female representation(diversity) on the Committee, right or wrong.

 

[KrAzY3]

I guess we do not know the answer to that question; but she was not president of the 3x3 women's basketball writers association.
She also co-authored the book A War in Dixie: Alabama v Auburn with Ivan Maisel who is a respected writer
Maybe she was a good choice; maybe not. But a lot more than a WNBA reporter

Well, too bad that bio left out her coverage of the Westminster Dog Show and a woman playing in an indoor soccer league.

Just look at her articles: https://muckrack.com/kellywhiteside/articles

A: She is obviously interested in DEI. I say this because she said this. She specifically mentions her desire for female sports to get similar coverage to events like the Super Bowl. Then even what you post, it has to specify she was the first female this. Another thing I read listed her as the only female on the committee at one point. I don't care about gender in that respect, she does though and inclusivity has no placed in merit based rankings.

B: Her stories have a human interest slant to them (not saying there's anything wrong with that, but I want people doing rankings that are looking at the details not endearing qualities).I did find a college football article, it was about a coach having seizures from 7 years ago. Guess what else she reported on 7 years ago? There are 5 different articles from her about Flynn a dog in the Westminster Dog show. FIVE!

I'm sure she's a good writer, I'm sure she's a good reporter, I'm seen zero evidence whatsoever she is any kind of a college football expert, certainly not in her recent career (that book was from 2001, college football has changed a lot since then) . By the way, I looked her up after College Football Nerds brought her up as having no qualifications.

Edit: I did find this though: Kelly Whiteside covered Auburn.
May be she is the right person to decide if Alabama gets in the playoff or not.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Guys isn't this supposed to be the transfer portal thread?

 

[KrAzY3]

Guys isn't this supposed to be the transfer portal thread?

Meh, I'll leave it be but in the list of things I hate both the committee and the portal hold the same place in my mind.