Seahawks fire OC Ryan Grubb after one season

[Bamabuzzard]

Now you're just going out of your way to blame Sheridan with this comment, and honestly your overall take. This is just a ridiculous take. If plays produce wide-open WRs, at that point it's the players' job to execute. Not for Sheridan to jump out of the booth and do it for them. Coaches coach, call plays to produce opportunities and the players' job is to execute. Milroe torpedoed a lot of opportunities and there's no way around it, no matter how hard you try to explain it away.

Sheridan called plays that had Michigan dead to rights, but Milroe completely missed the wr's. Hell, it was so bad the commentators started pointing it out and our own wr's were showing public frustration. Sheridan did his job, Milroe just didn't do his.

In basketball it's pretty common to dare someone to take a shot if you know they can't shoot. I said stuff like this dating back to Hurts time, it isn't about drawing up a play that hypothetically works. It's about drawing up a play that actually works.

In this case, the key to beating Alabama with Sheridan/Milroe is not to cover all the receivers, it's to shut down Milroe on the ground. Alabama's two best games (Georgia and LSU), Milroe ran all over them. You know what his averages were in the losses? 1.4, .8, .5 and .4. This from someone that averaged 4.3 per rush. These defenses knew how to beat Alabama, and it wasn't by covering the receivers, it was just by stopping Milroe on the ground. Who is responsible to counter that though? Figuring out a way around that? It's the coordinator, he's supposed to outsmart those guys who knew it was alright to leave guys open as long as Milroe wasn't comfortable running around.

College kids are morons. It's herding cats. Just look at the transfer portal. You're not dealing with smart kids making smart choices most of the time, you're dealing with dumb kids making dumb choices. This means you need an offensive coordinator that can deal with things even when you have a bunch of idiots out there doing dumb stuff. You need to be able to achieve with adversity, because that's the only given. There will always be adversity.

So I don't care how someone does when everything is going great, that's easy. Even Locksley looked great when he didn't have adversity, and then when it did hit? It might as well have been a brick wall. So I don't care how anyone performs under ideal circumstances, I care how they perform under the toughest adversity because that's where you win championships.

The way I see it Sheridan got baited into putting it all on Milroe's arm to win games where Milroe's arm was never going to win games. Alabama only handed off 12 times against Michigan and all we're talking about is open receivers. Sounds to me like the gameplan Michigan had worked quite well. Sheridan's? Not so much...

 

[bamafaninbham]

It was his wife who didn't want to be here, plus I think he's children didn't want to leave Seattle area as well, and as far as his system in the NFL, some coaches are better developers and teachers than calling plays for veteran QBs in the league, some veterans don't want to listen to some college guy, slot of college coaches have flamed out in the league

Staying in Seattle, or even just the Pacific northwest will severly limit his coaching possibilites.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

In basketball it's pretty common to dare someone to take a shot if you know they can't shoot. I said stuff like this dating back to Hurts time, it isn't about drawing up a play that hypothetically works. It's about drawing up a play that actually works.

In this case, the key to beating Alabama with Sheridan/Milroe is not to cover all the receivers, it's to shut down Milroe on the ground. Alabama's two best games (Georgia and LSU), Milroe ran all over them. You know what his averages were in the losses? 1.4, .8, .5 and .4. This from someone that averaged 4.3 per rush. These defenses knew how to beat Alabama, and it wasn't by covering the receivers, it was just by stopping Milroe on the ground. Who is responsible to counter that though? Figuring out a way around that? It's the coordinator, he's supposed to outsmart those guys who knew it was alright to leave guys open as long as Milroe wasn't comfortable running around.

College kids are morons. It's herding cats. Just look at the transfer portal. You're not dealing with smart kids making smart choices most of the time, you're dealing with dumb kids making dumb choices. This means you need an offensive coordinator that can deal with things even when you have a bunch of idiots out there doing dumb stuff. You need to be able to achieve with adversity, because that's the only given. There will always be adversity.

So I don't care how someone does when everything is going great, that's easy. Even Locksley looked great when he didn't have adversity, and then when it did hit? It might as well have been a brick wall. So I don't care how anyone performs under ideal circumstances, I care how they perform under the toughest adversity because that's where you win championships.

The way I see it Sheridan got baited into putting it all on Milroe's arm to win games where Milroe's arm was never going to win games. Alabama only handed off 12 times against Michigan and all we're talking about is open receivers. Sounds to me like the gameplan Michigan had worked quite well (even with a backup QB who only attempted 3 passes). Sheridan's? Not so much...

The plays that were draw up and called were NOT the problem. The problem was the quarter ack that couldn't execute them!

Again, Milroe couldn't make reads, gave away the play with his stance and was horribly inaccurate when his footwork was wrong, which was most of the time.

If Milroe gets drafted, it's gonna be because some owner has a bet similar to the one in the movie "Trading Places"...

 

[CrimsonTitles]

I was just explaining to you that no one is "excited" about keeping Sheridan, just giving the guy some form of the benefit of the doubt due to Milroe. If Milroe had done what he was supposed to do how "bad" would Sheridan really have been this year? I'd take Grubb over Sheridan in a second but I saw too many plays called by Sheridan that produced wide open receivers that never were thrown to. What would have been the outcome if those open wr's had gotten a chance to catch the ball? How bad would Sheridan have been?

I don't know how many times this season there was a receiver running open down the field and Milroe either didn't see him or missed, but it's gotta be in the 20s, at least. If just half of those times were different, if Milroe made the play and the receiver caught it, then I think most people would be fine with Sheridan. We'd almost certainly be in the playoffs, because some of those would have likely been explosives. If we get Grubb, then great! If not, then I think we will still be fine with Sheridan. It's DeBoer's offense.

 

[BamaMoon]

@KrAzY3 I honestly don't know the point you are trying to make at this point

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Idk Milroe was at least a little better with Tommy Reese at OC. I think there is at least some validity to Krazy's point.

 

[GrayTide]

To be honest, I am not a fan of Sheridan or Grubb. I would prefer CKD find a new OC who has no ties to CKD.

 

[The Ols]

The plays that were draw up and called were NOT the problem. The problem was the quarter ack that couldn't execute them!

Again, Milroe couldn't make reads, gave away the play with his stance and was horribly inaccurate when his footwork was wrong, which was most of the time.

If Milroe gets drafted, it's gonna be because some owner has a bet similar to the one in the movie "Trading Places"...

My $1 is on that he’s not a starting QB in the League.
…not that there’s anything wrong with that.

 

[BamaMoon]

To be honest, I am not a fan of Sheridan or Grubb. I would prefer CKD find a new OC who has no ties to CKD.

OK, but like who?

 

[TENNTIDE1]

It is somewhat odd that a high profile OC has such a desire to stay in one part of the country. Coaches typically move every few years for one reason or another. Typically, the wife and kids understand it is the nature of the business.

Having said that, it is possible that he didn't want to work for Saban knowing the commitment that Saban required of his assistants. Maybe he loves the Pacific Northwest, and is used to a more laid back way of life. I have no idea.

 

[dWarriors88]

LETS GO GET GRUBB

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

To be honest, I am not a fan of Sheridan or Grubb. I would prefer CKD find a new OC who has no ties to CKD.

That would seemingly ruin the entire point of hiring DeBoer. His whole thing has been his offense. Saban hired people who could run his defense as his DC. DeBoer needs someone who can run his offense as OC

 

[CrimsonTitles]

Idk Milroe was at least a little better with Tommy Reese at OC. I think there is at least some validity to Krazy's point.

I dont know about that. I think we just faced fewer defenses in 2023 with the ability to expose him. For the most part in 2024, he continued his pattern of playing well against the leaser defenses, then hitting a brick wall against certain defenses. Tennessee didn't have the personnel to do it in 2023. We also added Oklahoma. Other than Oklahoma, Auburn, Tennessee, and Michigan, Milroe was decent, just like in 2023. He didn't look good in the Iron Bowl in 2023, either. I wouldn't trust the stats on this one. The performances in 2023 and 2024 are far more similar than they appear at first glance.

 

[TDBama78]

Twice actually. CNS tried to hire him in 2023 then ended up hiring Tommy Rees instead.

Grubb practically wept in his farewell letter to UW. He was never really here fully. His courtship with the Seahawks was both protracted and the worst kept secret in the NFL last January. He made it official so late that CKD had to elevate Sheridan. I’d retain him or go back to Tommy Rees (both of whom actually, you know, MOVED to Tuscaloosa) in a nanosecond over Ryan Grubb based on observed character alone…

Grub wept so did Debore he got choked up.iirc

 

[TDBama78]

I don't know why we're having all this hand ringing over football coaches we're a basketball school now

 

[westide]

Mike Macdonald said Huff's future with Seattle is still under consideration.

 

[colbysullivan]

I don't know how many times this season there was a receiver running open down the field and Milroe either didn't see him or missed, but it's gotta be in the 20s, at least. If just half of those times were different, if Milroe made the play and the receiver caught it, then I think most people would be fine with Sheridan. We'd almost certainly be in the playoffs, because some of those would have likely been explosives. If we get Grubb, then great! If not, then I think we will still be fine with Sheridan. It's DeBoer's offense.

Bruh, Bernard was open 20 times in the BOWL GAME alone…

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I dont know about that. I think we just faced fewer defenses in 2023 with the ability to expose him. For the most part in 2024, he continued his pattern of playing well against the leaser defenses, then hitting a brick wall against certain defenses. Tennessee didn't have the personnel to do it in 2023. We also added Oklahoma. Other than Oklahoma, Auburn, Tennessee, and Michigan, Milroe was decent, just like in 2023. He didn't look good in the Iron Bowl in 2023, either. I wouldn't trust the stats on this one. The performances in 2023 and 2024 are far more similar than they appear at first glance.

Fair point. I'd have to look at it more closely to come to a firmer conclusion. Off the top of my head though Oklahoma is basically just switched out for Texas in 2023 and the 2023 Michigan team was much much better than the 2024 Michigan team especially with the opt outs in the bowl game and Rees had the added issue of bad snaps. We did add South Carolina this year though whose defense was quite good.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I don’t watch NFL (or any other professional sport aside from boxing) so I’m curious. Was the Seattle offense really, really bad?

 

[Coach25]

JMO but I think people who are saying Milroe won’t get drafted doesn’t see it through nfl teams and scouts points of view. Milroe will get drafted and I’m expecting fairly high, (I wouldn’t draft him at all) but why… because of the nfl scouts who will fall in love with his measurables and athletic ability. Look at Anthony Richardson he was worse at Florida than Milroe was at bama and I know that’s saying something lol but he was drafted because of his freakish athletic ability. Richardson is probably one year away from being let go by the colts. Teams always think they can take an athletic player and turn him in to a nfl qb. Some have found success but most of the time they bounce around the league as backups.