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Is it possible that JM was actually better than the QB's behind him on the roster the last two years?

I believe that at least TS would have been a better choice, but maybe he wasn't. Bringing in Buchner certainly wasn't a vote of confidence for the QB room.

And if that's the case, what on earth has been going on in our QB room for the last 3 + years to put us in the position we've been in since then?
The last 3+ years takes us back to 21' and 22' seasons.

CNS couldn't hire the kind of guys who could in the CNS glory days. Sark left. BOB happened. He said JM is not a QB. The rest is history, honestly.

I know it's not "that simple" but I feel like this explains why we witnessed two years of JM and apparently TS was developed either during this time by BOB because he's an OC (that many didn't won't and don't think much of) not a QB coach.
 

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Ok, you all win, I won't rain on the Milroe hate party anymore. I'll just go somewhere else for my Bama fix, got it here for 20 years but this isn't the Fandom for me. I just can't read it without saying something, Roll Tide.
That seems an poorly-timed, given that Mr. Milroe is now moving to the NFL.
He is now "former Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe."
 

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Well said - thanks.

A big plus is that Blake Sims loved Alabama and his teammates and would have never done anything to hurt them. He was an incredible breath of fresh air who didn’t seem to have a selfish bone in his body. If he had been relegated to backup, IMO, he would have done anything to help Jake and been happy for him. (I don’t have any inside info but that it how it appeared from afar.)
I’ve stated multiple times on this board that my two favorite players of the Nick Saban era are Blake Sims and Ronnie Clark for the simple reason you just stated. They were without question “team first” players. They were willing to do whatever necessary to help the team and their teammates be successful.

And I always believe that willingness to switch around by Blake made him a better quarterback when the opportunity came. He had earned the respect and appreciation of his teammates. Being exposed to different positions (RB, WR and KR) gave him a greater understanding of the entire game, not just the role of the quarterback.

That team first mentality put Blake Sims “head and shoulders” ahead of JM before we even discuss fundamentals of the QB position and the execution of the offense.
 

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Is it possible that JM was actually better than the QB's behind him on the roster the last two years?

I believe that at least TS would have been a better choice, but maybe he wasn't. Bringing in Buchner certainly wasn't a vote of confidence for the QB room.

And if that's the case, what on earth has been going on in our QB room for the last 3 + years to put us in the position we've been in since then?
That is really the question.
What must Ty Simpson have done in practice to make the coaching staff (two different coaching staffs) believe that Milroe was the option that gave them the best chance at winning?
Was Simpson wildly inaccurate? Willing to accept absolutely insane risks with the ball (i.e. throwing into triple coverage)? Did he run holding the ball like a loaf of bread? Could he not master the offense? Could he not red defenses?
I do not know but coaches are not likely to air such things about their players in public.
 
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That is really the question.
What must Ty Simpson have done in practice to make the coaching staff (two different coaching staffs) believe that Milroe was the option that gave them the best chance at winning?
Was Simpson wildly inaccurate? Willing to accept absolutely insane risks with the ball (i.e. throwing into triple coverage)? Did he run holding the ball like a loaf of bread? Could he not master the offense? Could he not red defenses?
I do not know but coaches are not likely to air such things about their players in public.
Courtney Morgan (in talking about Simpson) may have given us a clue as to what the issue was/is. In an interview, he said "When Ty is on..." and highly complimented him. "When Ty is on" lends me to believe that there are times when "Ty is off" resulting in inconsistency running the offense. As you've mentioned, against Mercer he just chunked up a 40-yard pass into triple coverage and luckily our WR came down with it. But overall that was a dumb decision. That may be what Morgan was alluding to.
 

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Courtney Morgan (in talking about Simpson) may have given us a clue as to what the issue was/is. In an interview, he said "When Ty is on..." and highly complimented him. "When Ty is on" lends me to believe that there are times when "Ty is off" resulting in inconsistency running the offense. As you've mentioned, against Mercer he just chunked up a 40-yard pass into triple coverage and luckily our WR came down with it. But overall that was a dumb decision. That may be what Morgan was alluding to.
Yep. Whatever it was, it was so much worse than what we saw on the filed that the coaches decided Milroe was the best chance to win.
 
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Yep. Whatever it was, it was so much worse than what we saw on the filed that the coaches decided Milroe was the best chance to win.
Also, do not discount the loyalty factor that DeBoer gave Milroe for stepping up early on and keeping the team together. Factor that loyalty into DeBoer looking at Simpson and going "Which Simpson am I going to get if I put him in?" and just deciding to hold serve with Milroe.

I'm just thankful that dynamic is no longer apart of the Bama equation. We can now move on to a more normal decision making process.
 

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"IF" this is the correct interpretation of Courtney Morgan's statement -- and it very well could be -- then we have an incredible opening as to whom CKD believes gives us the best chance next season and beyond....now I understand why KR has been pumped as the next great one.
 
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That is really the question.
What must Ty Simpson have done in practice to make the coaching staff (two different coaching staffs) believe that Milroe was the option that gave them the best chance at winning?
Was Simpson wildly inaccurate? Willing to accept absolutely insane risks with the ball (i.e. throwing into triple coverage)? Did he run holding the ball like a loaf of bread? Could he not master the offense? Could he not red defenses?
I do not know but coaches are not likely to air such things about their players in public.
The question is not what Ty did in practice to make the coaching staff believe that Milroe was the best option, but were multiple players so invested in Milroe being the starter that the coaches hands were basically tied regarding that decision. At this point it's all speculation, but I have not been able to get past the image of Milroe sitting on the sideline with the headphones on while talking to Rees who was sitting in the booth with his head in his hands looking like he was in a hopeless situation. That was during the loss to Texas and the image is burned into my mind. Most of what I saw from TY during his limited time in games indicated that he made good decisions and was accurate on short and intermediate passes. Only more gametime exposure will give us the answer.
 
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It's interesting that we haven't pulled a QB from the portal. Maybe there isn't anyone available who CKD believes is better that the guys we have. Or maybe CKD believes one of the guys we have can get the job done. It should be an interesting competition.

Don't discount AM. He's had another year CKD's system and another year to mature.
 

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Courtney Morgan (in talking about Simpson) may have given us a clue as to what the issue was/is. In an interview, he said "When Ty is on..." and highly complimented him. "When Ty is on" lends me to believe that there are times when "Ty is off" resulting in inconsistency running the offense. As you've mentioned, against Mercer he just chunked up a 40-yard pass into triple coverage and luckily our WR came down with it. But overall that was a dumb decision. That may be what Morgan was alluding to.
I also think that the guys behind Milroe didn't play well enough to take his spot. Like others, I want to believe that one of these guys has to be better than what we saw on the field with Milroe, but I cannot imagine Coach Saban and Coach DeBoer actually being "held hostage" and forced to play Milroe no matter what. I don't doubt there were some bad locker room situations, but both Saban and DeBoer have enough of a history and reputation to do what is right. Frankly, I am glad this season is over.
 
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Courtney Morgan (in talking about Simpson) may have given us a clue as to what the issue was/is. In an interview, he said "When Ty is on..." and highly complimented him. "When Ty is on" lends me to believe that there are times when "Ty is off" resulting in inconsistency running the offense. As you've mentioned, against Mercer he just chunked up a 40-yard pass into triple coverage and luckily our WR came down with it. But overall that was a dumb decision. That may be what Morgan was alluding to.
As far as rating QB's go I can't say that Morgan is the person I would go to for an opinion. In his job if he is standing around a lot watching practices I would be mildly surprised.

If there is a scholarship QB that the coaches don't believe is worthy of playing time he deserves to be told and allowed to move on while a portal candidate is identified.

Is Debore going to allow all of assistants rate players in the press then leave between the lines interpretation?

How would any of us react when we were in our early 20's if we were put in a position of having two minutes of playing time to determine our future when we have showed up everyday for three years?
 

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Most of what I saw from TY during his limited time in games indicated that he made good decisions and was accurate on short and intermediate passes. Only more gametime exposure will give us the answer.
I am looking forward to seeing what young Mr. Simpson can do with the offense.
Although as football players go, I guess he is not so young anymore.
 

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As far as rating QB's go I can't say that Morgan is the person I would go to for an opinion. In his job if he is standing around a lot watching practices I would be mildly surprised.

If there is a scholarship QB that the coaches don't believe is worthy of playing time he deserves to be told and allowed to move on while a portal candidate is identified.

Is Debore going to allow all of assistants rate players in the press then leave between the lines interpretation?

How would any of us react when we were in our early 20's if we were put in a position of having two minutes of playing time to determine our future when we have showed up everyday for three years?
I'm sure he hears the coaches talk about the players and I'd bet he does watch practices and scrimmages. If he's in a GM role he has to be privy to enough of the operational side of things that he can do his job properly.
 

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I'm sure he hears the coaches talk about the players and I'd bet he does watch practices and scrimmages. If he's in a GM role he has to be privy to enough of the operational side of things that he can do his job properly.
Color me exhausted with the endless discussion on Milroe and the necessity of reading between the lines on who a replacement may be. Looking back two years ago Ty made an incredible run but dropped the ball just short of the end zone. Saban jumped him on "acting like you have been here before" Now we have all types of gyrations in the end zone. This season he escaped a tackler who was on his back immediately after the sack managed to take a couple of steps and put the ball in a crowd where only an Alabama player could catch it. Now it is said " It was a reckless throw". Doug Flutie won a Heisman making such a similar throw.

No one can really say and certainly any QB that plays will make mistakes. Hopefully not as damaging as the interceptions Mac threw against Auburn in his first start.
 
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Color me exhausted with the endless discussion on Milroe and the necessity of reading between the lines on who a replacement may be. Looking back two years ago Ty made an incredible run but dropped the ball just short of the end zone. Saban jumped him on "acting like you have been here before" Now we have all types of gyrations in the end zone. This season he escaped a tackler who was on his back immediately after the sack managed to take a couple of steps and put the ball in a crowd where only an Alabama player could catch it. Now it is said " It was a reckless throw". Doug Flutie won a Heisman making such a similar throw.

No one can really say and certainly any QB that plays will make mistakes. Hopefully not as damaging as the interceptions Mac threw against Auburn in his first start.
That play being a "dumb decision" is just my opinion. It may not have been CKD's opinion. For all I know CKD may have thought it was a great play. But IMO it looked like a "What the hell! I'm about to just throw this SON OF A GUN UP!!!". That's what it looked like to me which plays like that bother me. But a lot of things bother me. ;)
 
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It's interesting that we haven't pulled a QB from the portal. Maybe there isn't anyone available who CKD believes is better that the guys we have. Or maybe CKD believes one of the guys we have can get the job done. It should be an interesting competition.

Don't discount AM. He's had another year CKD's system and another year to mature.

If we don't actively go after a QB I think it means they are pleased with who we currently have. Unlike when Saban went after Buchner in 2023.
 
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Courtney Morgan (in talking about Simpson) may have given us a clue as to what the issue was/is. In an interview, he said "When Ty is on..." and highly complimented him. "When Ty is on" lends me to believe that there are times when "Ty is off" resulting in inconsistency running the offense. As you've mentioned, against Mercer he just chunked up a 40-yard pass into triple coverage and luckily our WR came down with it. But overall that was a dumb decision. That may be what Morgan was alluding to.
But the thing with Ty is, we never got to see him run the offense, with the first team, to gain any kind of real live experience. He only came in when the game was already decided. Maybe if Ty had been given true live experience, the "off Ty" moments would have been few and far between. As has been mentioned many times, in the Tennessee and OU games, I don't think he would have done worse than what we got.
 

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But the thing with Ty is, we never got to see him run the offense, with the first team, to gain any kind of real live experience. He only came in when the game was already decided. Maybe if Ty had been given true live experience, the "off Ty" moments would have been few and far between. As has been mentioned many times, in the Tennessee and OU and Michigan games, I don't think he would have done worse than what we got.
Fixed it for you.
 
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