Ghislaine Maxwell Receives 20 Years for Aiding Epstein in Sex Trafficking

[selmaborntidefan]

 

[Maudiemae]

I'd just like some men to know that if things happen to women, they happened whether you believe us or not. As a young girl, as a teen and as a woman, I have had predator problems and decidedly NOT because of the way I dressed. Well, perhaps one time. I was pregnant with my first child and this was in the old days when maternity clothes were basically tents. The feet swell with pregnancy so sometimes much larger shoes are required. Ronald McDonald style. I looked like a traveling circus. Perhaps he thought I was vulnerable. When I was a child---yes. I was shy and easily intimidated. Vulnerable. When I was a teen, sort of the same. I attracted "grab on the runs". They run past and grab a "body part" specific to females. They run by quickly enough that you don't expect it and the face is turned away so as to avoid being identified. Why that's a thrill, I have no clue. My friend seemed to attract exhibitionists. This went on for years and she did learn to spot certain signals before they could...uh...do their stuff. In school, at UA, I had two friends who were raped and two others who escaped. None of them were prone to dress or engage in behavior which some seem to define as "asking for it". I once had to speed like crazy and make sudden unexpected turns in an effort to get a cop to stop me. We scared and needed help and there were no cell phones then. An 18 wheeler driver was chasing us and then, toying with us, slowing when I slowed, speeding up when I sped up. We were coming home from a friend's, for heaven's sake! We had done nothing to invite such a thing. Why would he do that?!! Ended up turning off our lights in a driveway and ducking down. He drove his big ol' truck past. There are some weirdos out there. They are real whether you believe it or not.

 

[75thru79]

I'd just like some men to know that if things happen to women, they happened whether you believe us or not. As a young girl, as a teen and as a woman, I have had predator problems and decidedly NOT because of the way I dressed. Well, perhaps one time. I was pregnant with my first child and this was in the old days when maternity clothes were basically tents. The feet swell with pregnancy so sometimes much larger shoes are required. Ronald McDonald style. I looked like a traveling circus. Perhaps he thought I was vulnerable. When I was a child---yes. I was shy and easily intimidated. Vulnerable. When I was a teen, sort of the same. I attracted "grab on the runs". They run past and grab a "body part" specific to females. They run by quickly enough that you don't expect it and the face is turned away so as to avoid being identified. Why that's a thrill, I have no clue. My friend seemed to attract exhibitionists. This went on for years and she did learn to spot certain signals before they could...uh...do their stuff. In school, at UA, I had two friends who were raped and two others who escaped. None of them were prone to dress or engage in behavior which some seem to define as "asking for it". I once had to speed like crazy and make sudden unexpected turns in an effort to get a cop to stop me. We scared and needed help and there were no cell phones then. An 18 wheeler driver was chasing us and then, toying with us, slowing when I slowed, speeding up when I sped up. We were coming home from a friend's, for heaven's sake! We had done nothing to invite such a thing. Why would he do that?!! Ended up turning off our lights in a driveway and ducking down. He drove his big ol' truck past. There are some weirdos out there. They are real whether you believe it or not.

I am sorry for what you've gone through and I get that you need to vent but "men" didn't do this to you. Some very misguided, mysogynistic, a-holes did this to you. I am a man and I have never, ever remotely thought of doing anything like this and I also don't know any man that has ever done this type thing either. I really, really hate these "all men are a-holes" diatribes I see all the time on the internet. Stop trying to lump us all together, we're not a "community".

 

[mdb-tpet]

While your scenario is possible, I simply don't find it the least bit probable. Occam's Razor would suggest that Mace figured out the same thing I did: E. Jean Carroll is completely full of **** and always has been. And yes, a lot of people say they buy her story, but I don't believe them, either. Pretending to believe something this preposterous is a disservice to men as a whole because encouraging women to lie about rape is a behavior that should not be encouraged, regardless of who you're trying to keep out of the White House. I stand firmly in the camp that states if a woman lies about rape, she should be criminally sentenced to the same number of years in prison that an actual rapist would get.

I have not followed E. Jean Carroll's case, but if she actually got a win in court, it's HIGHLY likely some form of what she says happened is factual.

It's a well known fact that only a tiny fraction of sexual assaults ever end up even being tried as well. Less than one percent end up in convictions. That's not justice, that's a societal disaster.

In the U.S.: For every 1,000 rapes, an estimated 384 are reported, 57 result in an arrest, 11 are referred for prosecution, 7 result in a felony conviction, and 6 result in incarceration, according to Wikipedia's analysis of data.

I simply believe the women that are brave enough to fight all the way to the end with so many barriers to justice. There are vanishingly few women who make it all the way to a conviction (7 out of 1000) by lying about an assault, and there are hundreds of women behind them who for one reason or another didn't make it that far, usually because a man or men (sometime even women) stood in her way and stopped her pursuit justice.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I have not followed E. Jean Carroll's case, but if she actually got a win in court, it's HIGHLY likely some form of what she says happened is factual.

I stopped reading right about here. It's funny to me how our judicial system is such a joke when we review incarceration numbers that demonstrate a higher conviction rate for minorities than for whites, but as soon as we see a desired outcome against someone we hate, it's all "Hey, the jury saw the evidence and I believe them! God bless Muuuuuuurica!" What foolishness.

Are you really gonna pretend that say, Joe Biden would get a fair trial in Dothan, Alabama? It isn't completely outside the realm of possibility, but I wouldn't give a nickel for his chances. The same principle applies to Trump in NY.

 

[CrimsonTheory]

I feel like we are living in a "The Purge" like Twilight Zone.

 

[mdb-tpet]

I stopped reading right about here. It's funny to me how our judicial system is such a joke when we review incarceration numbers that demonstrate a higher conviction rate for minorities than for whites, but as soon as we see a desired outcome against someone we hate, it's all "Hey, the jury saw the evidence and I believe them! God bless Muuuuuuurica!" What foolishness.

Are you really gonna pretend that say, Joe Biden would get a fair trial in Dothan, Alabama? It isn't completely outside the realm of possibility, but I wouldn't give a nickel for his chances. The same principle applies to Trump in NY.

You should have read past that one sentence. But I think we can all agree the jury pool selected for a trial against a man with nearly unlimited resources is certainly going to be a more likely to be fair or tilted in his favor than not. To say anything else is ignoring history.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

I am sorry for what you've gone through and I get that you need to vent but "men" didn't do this to you. Some very misguided, mysogynistic, a-holes did this to you. I am a man and I have never, ever remotely thought of doing anything like this and I also don't know any man that has ever done this type thing either. I really, really hate these "all men are a-holes" diatribes I see all the time on the internet. Stop trying to lump us all together, we're not a "community".

Then why do you support the sexual predator in the White House? If you are willing to support men who behave the way @Maudiemae describes then you aren’t to concerned about those actions. I mean Trump himself is on tape bragging about the same type of “grab and go” actions she described.

I wish republicans that claim “we aren’t all like this” would start calling out these people, including Trump, and demand they be punished. I’m not holding my breath. They have had a decade to wash there hands of this despicable human being in the White House and have turned a blind eye every single time.

 

[JDCrimson]

Then why do you support the sexual predator in the White House? If you are willing to support men who behave the way @Maudiemae describes then you aren’t to concerned about those actions. I mean Trump himself is on tape bragging about the same type of “grab and go” actions she described.

I wish republicans that claim “we aren’t all like this” would start calling out these people, including Trump, and demand they be punished. I’m not holding my breath. They have had a decade to wash there hands of this despicable human being in the White House and have turned a blind eye every single time.

I will tell you why they are blind to it, because they are too busy looking at the money flowing into their offshore bank accounts...

There literally is no other reason to cover for the actions of this human being. And I will go as far as to say that I think Fox News is part of a significant machine to wash money for itself and Republican politicians.

 

[Maudiemae]

I am sorry for what you've gone through and I get that you need to vent but "men" didn't do this to you. Some very misguided, mysogynistic, a-holes did this to you. I am a man and I have never, ever remotely thought of doing anything like this and I also don't know any man that has ever done this type thing either. I really, really hate these "all men are a-holes" diatribes I see all the time on the internet. Stop trying to lump us all together, we're not a "community".

When did I do that? I never lumped "all men" together as far as doing these things is concerned. I meant that some men have no idea what a lot of women have experienced. They pass it off as unusual or limited to some. The thing is, there are so many more of us than you realize. I started to research this when I was young and also personally knew too many children who had gone through it...sexual abuse and not sexual. I knew kids who killed themselves. All in my little area of Montgomery. Once you tell your own story, you hear several more. I remember telling my husband about this. He started to think back on how many kids he had known with some pretty awful situations. And that led to discussions of women he'd known who'd had some trouble. He'd just never thought about it so much before. I'm just a big proponent of waking people up who may not have put it together, yet. It's a much bigger problem than a lot of us want to know. Be alert to it. Especially when it comes to kids who have a decided tendency to blame themselves.