Non-BCS Teams

[2003TIDE]

But there are a couple dozen BCS conference programs that Utah outperforms in the stands and and several dozen we outperform on the field regularly.

Duke, Baylor, Washington. No one here is disagreeing with what you are saying. There is not going to be a playoff though(too much money involved). I think the best hope you have is for a +1 system where the championship is played after the 4 BCS bowl.

That being said. Last year Hawaii really didn't help the cause for non-BCS schools.

 

[CrimsonChuck]

The playoff that I support would allow for deserving non-BCS schools. I support giving a bid to the 6 strongest conferences each year. So if the Mountain West catches the Pac 10 or the Big East, then your champ would automatically go. According to Sagrin, you guys almost caught the Pac 10 in conference strength. If you all didn't get in through that, then the six highest ranked remaining teams would get in.

It would be
#1 Oklahoma
#2 Florida
#3 Texas (at-large)
#4 Alabama (at-large)
#5 USC
#6 Utah (at-large)
#7 Texas Tech (at-large)
#8 Penn St
#9 Boise St. (at-large)
#10 Ohio St (at-large)
#11 Cincy
#12 Virginia Tech

So 2 of the 6 at-large births would go to non-BCS teams. And in fact, TCU would is the first team out, so almost three teams made it.

 

[CrimsonChuck]

Duke, Baylor, Washington, Auburn, Tennessee. No one here is disagreeing with what you are saying. There is not going to be a playoff though(too much money involved). I think the best hope you have is for a +1 system where the championship is played after the 4 BCS bowl.

That being said. Last year Hawaii really didn't help the cause for non-BCS schools.

I fixed it for you. :biggrin:

 

[Tokolosh]

That being said. Last year Hawaii really didn't help the cause for non-BCS schools.

Hawaii last year was a joke. I hate to pull the "who did they play" card when my team is in a conference that has that pulled all of the time. But that one is seriously on the voters. Hawaii did win all of their games but when you are squeaking by (and I do mean squeaking) the likes of San Jose State and La. Tech are you really ready for the BCS? It is tough to draw that line on strength of schedule but it should have been done for Hawaii last year. Many of Hawaii's opponants last year would be the dregs of Div-II and they didn't cream them the way they should have if they were so much better.

 

[DaleC76]

I think part of the problem is that there are too many schools competing for one title. We start the season with over half of the FBS disqualified simply because of what conference they play in. Perhaps these conferences should be separated in their own division to play for their own national championship. Without a playoff, this may be the only way for these schools to win title that they deserve.

 

[NYBamaFan]

I think part of the problem is that there are too many schools competing for one title. We start the season with over half of the FBS disqualified simply because of what conference they play in. Perhaps these conferences should be separated in their own division to play for their own national championship. Without a playoff, this may be the only way for these schools to win title that they deserve.

The BCS is about money, not national championships. I posted a link in another thread that discussed the cash that the BCS had to give to non-BCS conferences and schools to get their votes. If those schools and conferences really cared about winning national championships, they would have voted no. They didn't. They had a chance to greatly increase their bowl revenue through the BCS and they took it.

They are the only people that can kill this thing, and they won't even consider it. It is all about the $$$...

 

[Squirrely]

I feel for Utah, and if I was a fan of the Utes, I would be screaming at the top of my lungs.
" Just give us a shot like everyone else gets, that's all we ask for "

Hawaii was way overrated last year. I will give credit when credit is due. Utah played some tuff teams this year, and it stinks not many give Utah much credit for this. I think Utah is heading in the right direction, and if they keep things up, like they have been. People will have no choice, but to get credit where credit is due. I think one day if these non BCS programs keep winning, it will all take care of itself.
Old Bowden, in his youth, had to build FSU program by going on the road to build it's name. It paid off, and they are well known now, but they are in a BCS conference. So non BCS programs are between a rock & a hard place, I suppose. Good luck, and I always pull for non BCS teams when watching them, but I have to pull against them this time in the Sugar Bowl.


I'm so glad we got a coach/program that is scheduling games like Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Penn State. It show we aren't afraid to schedule these kinda of OOC games, and I'm sure it bring in some good cash too.........


Would Bama ever schedule Utah home & home game on their schedule ?
From looking at the pictures of Utah's stadium. It looks just beautiful there, and I could see Bama fans enjoying their visit there


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[NYBamaFan]

...Would Bama ever schedule Utah home & home game on their schedule ?...

It would be an expensive trip, so I don't see it happening. Expensive trips are usually reserved for established programs like U$C (or vacations like HI). I could see us inviting them to play us at BDS...

 

[wastedmason]

For a team that is not a part of a BCS conference it is hard and unlikely for them to get into the BCS MNC game but not impossible.

Here is what would have had to happen for Utah to have gotten in the BCS MNC this year. First off Bama would have had to beat Florida. Oklahoma would have had to lose to Missouri in the Big 12 championship. Texas would have had to have lost to Texas A&M. USC would have had to have lost to UCLA. And possibly Penn. St. would have had to have lost to Michigan St.

Utah would have then probably got the shot at Bama in Miami. A long shot? Try astronomical! But LSU did get in last year with 2 loses.

And its not been long ago that Oklahoma lost in the Big 12 championship game to an underdog from the North, Kansas St. I think. Texas lost to Texas A&M, last year wasn't it? UCLA beat USC at the end of the year, 2 years ago wasn't it? And we all know Penn St. has sucked recently.

The stars have to line up perfectly for a team like Utah but its not impossible. That is the best that Utah can hope for unfortunately, but hey it is better than nothing!

And in that only scenario that I just mentioned Utah is going to play Bama anyway! They can always proclaim that they are Gods National champions if they beat Bama. That would be better than the People's National championship in my mind.

Cheer up Utah!!!!

 

[Tokolosh]

Would Bama ever schedule Utah home & home game on their schedule ? From looking at the pictures of Utah's stadium. It looks just beautiful there, and I could see Bama fans enjoying their visit there.

We'd love to see it but as was mentioned, it is tough to get programs like Alabama to make the trip. The programs who can most afford the long trips are the one least likely to make them. We also don't like the money games where we get nothing in return.

Rice-Eccles Stadium is a beautiful facility (thank you Olympic committee). The mountains in the backdrop make it even better. Our capacity is 45,000 but we've poured the footings for expansion... hopefully that will come sooner rather than later. Lavell Edwards Stadium, to the south, has slightly more impressive mountains and a 65,000 capacity but the stadium looks like an erector set. You could dismantle the thing with a wrench and a phillips head.

 

[Squirrely]

Does Utah get to keep all the money from the Sugar bowl or do they have to share it with the rest of the conference?

If not, if Utah keeps up what they been doing latley, they will have that expansion soon, I would think.........:eek2:



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[hayes6]

Does Utah get to keep all the money from the Sugar bowl or do they have to share it with the rest of the conference?

If not, if Utah keeps up what they been doing latley, they will have that expansion soon, I would think.........:eek2:



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I understand we keep $4.5 million plus expenses and have to share the rest with our conference and, to a lesser extent, the other non-BCS schools. For this reason, I'll bet Utah is one of the biggest donors to BYU's athletic program over the last five years. Oh, well. It's the price of success.

 

[BamaFossil]

For me, this is a particularly interesting thread. I'm having to examine some long-held beliefs about conferences, perceived strengths of schedules, etc.

As my name implies, I'm a relic from another era. Given the ancient lens through which I view college football, I see the MWC as a conference of cupcakes, with an occasional toughie popping up. Unfair? Of course. (Yes, I know about Wyoming & Tennessee.) Bottom line, though, is every SEC team would happily swap their SEC schedule for a MWC schedule.

Along those same lines, I don't think the Big East deserves a BCS team this year. Nor most years, for that matter. I like the comments on an earlier post suggesting the most worthy conferences send teams to the BCS, rather than rely solely on conference affiliation. 'Course, that could play havoc with the financial aspects of the BCS, so it'll never happen.

Please understand I'm referring to conferences and perceptions of conferences; not specific teams. This year I believe Utah would contend for Big Dog in any conference in America they played in. Utah scheduled quality OOC games and won them. I respect Utah.

IMO Utah, BYU, and this year TCU are helping change folks' perception of the MWC. It's a multi-year task; one flash-in-the-pan won't do it. Heck, I remember when Florida State was everyone's cannon fodder and desired homecoming opponent. They sure fixed that. No reason Utah and the MWC can't do the same.

I'm truly excited to be playing Utah! Clearly a worthy opponent and very capable of beating us. Hopefully that doesn't happen though.

BTW, thanks and welcome to all the Utah fans who join us on this site! We do enjoy discussing football with our opponents. (Wish the Utefans.com site was more user-friendly; it's too much of a pill to spend time on.)

 

[NYBamaFan]

...Bottom line, though, is every SEC team would happily swap their SEC schedule for a MWC schedule...

What happened to the tempered by fire mentality? I, for one, do not want Bama to play a cupcake schedule. Play tough teams or give up your place at the table...

 

[Bama4Ever831]

So Utah fans really think that Utah would have beaten Auburn or USC in 2004? That is where your argument is lost on me. As much as I hate Auburn, they would not have lost to Utah. This can all be solved with a playoff. That is what I want anyway. If you want the respect you have to earn it. The reason Alabama is respected is simple. We have won for a long time. We are given the benefit of the doubt. Utah has been winning on a national scene for what 2 years out of the last 4 and none before that? Why do you think you deserve the respect?

 

[hayes6]

So Utah fans really think that Utah would have beaten Auburn or USC in 2004? That is where your argument is lost on me. As much as I hate Auburn, they would not have lost to Utah. This can all be solved with a playoff. That is what I want anyway. If you want the respect you have to earn it. The reason Alabama is respected is simple. We have won for a long time. We are given the benefit of the doubt. Utah has been winning on a national scene for what 2 years out of the last 4 and none before that? Why do you think you deserve the respect?

I do think we could have beaten Auburn or USC in 2004. We were the only team in history to win every game by at least 14 points. The spread was a fairly new offense that was very difficult to stop. Two of the coaches running it are now head coaches in the SEC. We'll never know, though. Fortunately, this year we will know, since we get to play a great team.

Hey, we've been to more BCS games under the current system than Bama has, so I guess we get respect now.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Pride in our own team is fine. I don't like to see dissing of the other team - not calling either side out. Dissing is about one millimeter away from smack talk and almost always slides over into it.

 

[Bama4Ever831]

TAKE THIS TO PMs...

 

[Tokolosh]

So Utah fans really think that Utah would have beaten Auburn or USC in 2004? That is where your argument is lost on me. As much as I hate Auburn, they would not have lost to Utah.

Yes, I believe Utah would have won if we got USC or Auburn on a "neutral" field. Urban Meyer (yeah, totally unbiased ) agrees and has said as much on lots of talk shows nationally since that year.

As far as winning for a long time... I'm not arguing that Utah has the history of the top BCS programs out there. But we are competitive and have built a great program relative to the roadblocks we face. It is easy for teams in the SEC to say "you'd get rolled in our conference" but what would happen if we had a few years of the BCS revenue that each SEC (or any BCS conference, deserved or not) team gets and the recruiting that comes along with that? Plenty of programs have those benefits and can't do anything with them. Look what we have done without those benefits and the relative lack of financial resources. Why couldn't BCS affiliation push us over the hump?

Bottom line, it is a crappy system and it doesn't always reward based on performance. It is like a blue-blood club that invites some geographically friendly riff-raff to keep up the membership numbers.

 

[markenk]

why can't we have a relegation system in college football? anyone here a soccer fan? :biggrin: