I really hope no one bumps this thread up tomorrow. We'll have all off-season to complain about student seating, but tomorrow warrants more important discussions.
5% of Student Tickets Unused for Auburn Game
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I am also tired of the crap that the Greek section receives. It may have not been standing room only 30 minutes before the Iron Bowl but it was FULL before the game started.
The greek section has RESERVED seats for frat members. It's usually more than 75% full before the "30 minutes before kickoff and people can freely sit there" rule. I'm tired of the constant whining about their so-called lack of dedication.
I arrive at each home game at least an hour before it starts, but it's not hard at all to understand why other greeks would arrive later. "Ooh we're the regular student section we're more dedicated than you because we're full way before the game starts." Give me a freaking break
I'm more than willing to bet that if the regular student section had reserved seats, a good portion of their "dedicated" fans would do the same crap that the Greeks and the rest of the freaking stadium do. They arrive early because they HAVE TO in order to get a good or even decent seat. But if you think that hiding the fact that the Greeks have reserved seats and subsequently don't have to sit in an oven (in the early part of the season) or a freezer (as it has been lately) for an hour+ before the game starts and putting it behind a "holier than thou fan" curtain somehow makes you a better fan, more power to you and your misguided beliefs.
This rant is not directed only at this particular thread because I have seen the same anti-Greek sentiments countless times since I've been here and even on campus. I remember reading the opinion section in the Crimson White a while back where somebody brought up the "we're full way before the game starts and the Greek section is not so we're the better fans" argument and having a strong urge to slap some sense into the idiot.
The greek section has RESERVED seats for frat members. It's usually more than 75% full before the "30 minutes before kickoff and people can freely sit there" rule. I'm tired of the constant whining about their so-called lack of dedication.
I arrive at each home game at least an hour before it starts, but it's not hard at all to understand why other greeks would arrive later. "Ooh we're the regular student section we're more dedicated than you because we're full way before the game starts." Give me a freaking break
I'm more than willing to bet that if the regular student section had reserved seats, a good portion of their "dedicated" fans would do the same crap that the Greeks and the rest of the freaking stadium do. They arrive early because they HAVE TO in order to get a good or even decent seat. But if you think that hiding the fact that the Greeks have reserved seats and subsequently don't have to sit in an oven (in the early part of the season) or a freezer (as it has been lately) for an hour+ before the game starts and putting it behind a "holier than thou fan" curtain somehow makes you a better fan, more power to you and your misguided beliefs.
This rant is not directed only at this particular thread because I have seen the same anti-Greek sentiments countless times since I've been here and even on campus. I remember reading the opinion section in the Crimson White a while back where somebody brought up the "we're full way before the game starts and the Greek section is not so we're the better fans" argument and having a strong urge to slap some sense into the idiot.
That another great idea. With todays technology & using paperless tickets, there are a lot of ways to control this. I know that if I were still a student & was lucky enought to get a ticket, there is no way I would miss a game or let the ticket go unused knowing that another student wanted it.
I can say same about your "rebuttal" which clearly shows your lack of reading comprehension
How did I imply that I am above a normal student? I just said that I'm out there in the stands way before kickoff JUST LIKE the students in the regular student section are. It's right there, I'm so sorry you missed it. When I usually get there, the student section is not even 1/3 of the way full. I don't arrive early to show my "dedication" or to prove a point to anybody else. I arrive early even after joining a frat and having a reserved section just because I enjoy being in the stadium and talking to other Bama fans/classmates/friends and usually don't have anything else going on since I plan my weeks around football Saturday. I know it gets uncomfortable in the stadium. I've sat in the 90+ degree humid weather with the sun beating down on you, I've sat in the rain and/or chilling weather. So tell me why people who don't have to experience that 1 hour+ before the game starts should if they don't want to?
I've only been in a frat for a semester. The previous two years I sat in the regular student section with everybody else and not once did I complain about the frat/organizations section not being as full as we were before the game started, because its common sense. From those 2 years of sitting in the regular section, it was not a mute experience. I talked to plenty of people while waiting for the game to start and like it or not (which it sounds like you really don't want to believe), a good number of them talked about how they HAD TO arrive early just to get a good seat. You don't even have to be in the stadium to hear it. Spend a little while on campus about ~3 hours before kick off. I guarantee you'll hear a passing conversation where students say something like "We have to get to the stadium early to grab good seats" or something in that neighborhood. I guarantee it. When I read that opinion section I was talking about, I was not involved in a frat or organization. I didn't the make the rule where the frat/student section was a reserved section and neither did the people currently in those groups, so if you think that them taking advantage of that somehow is them saying "We are above you", then I'm not the one who is misguided.
My point was, and still is, the frat section gets a ton of hate that it does not deserve. The regular student section is the only part of the stadium that is completely full before kickoff and some of it is because it's a dogfight to get seats. The frat/organization section and the non-student sections are usually not. If I have to take pics of both sections before the game to open your eyes, I'll do it. I'm not going anywhere next year, I will still be here on tidefans, so it'll be no problem to take them since I already do bring my camera along with me. And guess what those sections have in common?
Ding-ding the correct answer is "reserved seats"
And please explain my "sense of entitlement". Please go right ahead and humor me. The only thing I'm entitled to is the chance to present a viewpoint that is different from yours. I find it hilarious that you would say "get extremely defensive when people present facts that I cannot rebuke" and then follow it up with that brilliant post. Please explain how my rant was misguided on so many levels when there's only a single argument supported by what STUDENTS THEMSELVES have said.
There is no way 5% of the tickets were unused for the Auburn game. People were standing all up and down the stairs! I have thought about this and the University must oversell the student section because there is just no way.
I really think that if a non-Greek group requested to reserve seats like Marks Madness does for basketball that they would allow it as long as the money is right. Everything is about money, that is life. O wait, that is already done. Yell Crew or something right? I think the only solution is to punish those that don't use tickets. It is as simple as that as someone earlier suggested. Shrinking the student section really isn't an option sorry non-students it will never happen. The only think left is to commence the Non-Greek, Greek fight. As much as anyone wants the Greeks to lose their reserve seating, it will never happen.
I really think that if a non-Greek group requested to reserve seats like Marks Madness does for basketball that they would allow it as long as the money is right. Everything is about money, that is life. O wait, that is already done. Yell Crew or something right? I think the only solution is to punish those that don't use tickets. It is as simple as that as someone earlier suggested. Shrinking the student section really isn't an option sorry non-students it will never happen. The only think left is to commence the Non-Greek, Greek fight. As much as anyone wants the Greeks to lose their reserve seating, it will never happen.
I actually prefer how UF does their student tickets. ANY group of students, not just the frats, can get a block of tickets for reserved seating. One representative from the organization goes to the athletic office the week of the game and swaps unreserved student tickets for a "block." I know the whole paperless thing is what it is, but maybe the athletic office would consider having non-transferable tickets for reserved student seating.
And to the poster getting his panties in a wad about the frat section, maybe if you guys would fill up your reserved section to the fence some of the other regular Joes would not have to stand in the aisles. EVERY game, including Auburn, there were numerous seats empty by the fence. The only game where it eventually filled up (and I'm sure it was by necessity) was Auburn and that was later in the 1st quarter. It is also a HUGE benefit that you get reserved seats. You said it yourself, you don't have to roast or freeze like the other students. Why do you get blessed with such a gift and other students do not?
And to the poster getting his panties in a wad about the frat section, maybe if you guys would fill up your reserved section to the fence some of the other regular Joes would not have to stand in the aisles. EVERY game, including Auburn, there were numerous seats empty by the fence. The only game where it eventually filled up (and I'm sure it was by necessity) was Auburn and that was later in the 1st quarter. It is also a HUGE benefit that you get reserved seats. You said it yourself, you don't have to roast or freeze like the other students. Why do you get blessed with such a gift and other students do not?
Good question. Direct your anger towards the people in charge, not the frat students
Madamesnapper hit the nail on the head.
As for your argument that the percent absence from the frat section is equal to that of normal seating, you're absolutely dead wrong. It's not even debatable. (Although I imagine you'll try)
Additionally, Yell Crew always filled up their tiny section, and did so 60-90 minutes before kickoff. So the culprit is not the reserved seating itself--it's a particular mentality that is specific to a large number of Greeks.
It's been pretty obvious for the last 5 years that the greek section isn't as full relative to the fullness of the general student section at or after kickoff.
Agreed. By the way has anyone been using the "free" parking at the Rec or across from it if you have a commuter parkng pass? I used it all year and on the Auburn game they changed the price from free to $10 for students. I was outraged and had no money. What is up with that?
Once again, reading comprehension is too much for you.
I never said it was equal to normal seating. I said that like the frat section, non-student seating wasn't full before games. And I guess you think that taking what someone said and summarizing it into stupid little quips is an effective argument, but sadly no
. But maybe you do it in an attempt to have an easier time understanding it since lengthy posts are too much for you.Fortunately for you the season is over so I don't have the opportunity to go snag some more for a while and I haven't exactly focused on taking pics of the non-student sections. But I have this little gem right now from last season (when I wasn't involved in a frat). Sure doesn't look like they're full and this is minutes before the game started with the band out there ready for the team to run out.
Dispute this oh wise one. And I'll be sure to keep an eye out next season on the non-student section with my camera whenever this topic is brought up again, which I'm fairly confident will happen again plenty of times next year.
And also, why so quick to drop the "MacadamianNut thinks he's better than a non-frat student" and "sense of entitlement" arguments?
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I could be wrong but I thought he was talking about the General student section vs. the Greek section not the Greek section vs the Season ticket holders...
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