Alabama QB competition article

[Bamabuzzard]

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I agree. In fact, most great players do not make very good coaches because they seem to get frustrated that all guys don't do things as easily as they did. Most of the great coaches seem to be guys who love the game and wanted to be better, so they had to pay attention to every little detail and work harder than the more athletic guys around them. They develop that work ethic and attention to detail that makes them successful.

Most great players aren't great because they are mechanically sound. They are great because they have elite God given talent that allows them to bypass a lot of the mechanical "stuff" that the average player has to do in order to be successful. Brett Favre is a great example. I remember listening to Steve Mariucci say he used to use Brett Favre as an example to the other quarterbacks on the team on what not to do from a mechanical standpoint. Yet the guy could throw a football as hard as anyone who ever played the game. And for someone who had god awful mechanics, he still was pretty dang accurate with a career completion % of 62% (Steve Young's was 64%).

However, Favre probably couldn't tell you what a proper mechanic of throwing a football was to save his life.

 

[BamaInBham]

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Watching the UL game, it was a night/day difference between how the offense was run between Tua and Hurts, and I wasn't really surprised that much. Maybe CNS needed to see the gap under genuine circumstances - both QBs are facing a defense that they're not necessarily familiar with and are playing live. But, I do believe CNS has waited this long simply because of his preference for players that are risk-adverse, and his respect for seniority. But he's seen the biggest difference in 1.5 consecutive halves between Tua and Jalen, and much like how he responds to questions about QB rotations and the like, it wouldn't surprise me at all at he uses the next two games to give both players reps (Tua with more reps), and then beginning with OM, stick with Tua until the game is comfortably in hand.

CNS has known since at least last December that Tua is the man. IMO, he let it play out this long to allow Jalen the opportunity to retain his status as the starter even though there was no chance that he could overcome his shortcomings vs Tua. Jalen, and most QBs, could play in the NFL for 40 years and never attain the QBing skills that Tua has at this moment. He has spatial recognition abilities that though they can be enhanced they are mostly a gift. This drawn out process also allowed for all of creation, including the mallards flying south for the winter, the bees buzzing in the meadows, the North Koreans and John McEnroe, to see that Tua was the man. Though amazingly there are still a handful of holdouts who cry 26-2 but no who has a nanogram of analytical capacity and at least one eye can say that Jalen did not have every conceivable chance to retain his job. CNS has had his sanity challenged or been suspected of having entered the early stages of dementia by his own fanbase because he had not named Tua the starter earlier. Some actually thought that Saban did not know.

Now most are happy, including those on the national scene who are "Bama fatiguers" and haters, because they can watch Tua perform his gridiron magic with the intelligence and aplomb of Brady, the elusive acumen of Wilson and the daring of Rogers. That's not counting the physical advantages like the thighs like tree trunks, a very stout core and hands like frying pans. And as mentioned earlier the incredible spatial recognition (IMO, his greatest and most important virtue), the mental and physical quickness, the decisiveness - and he is accurate. And least importantly, but it does help, he has a strong arm.

The guess is that CNS did not handle it perfectly, but IMO, the main objective was met - to make abundantly clear to all parties with whom CNS was concerned - that Tua is the right choice. In fact, the gap is so large - that only a madman would make another choice.

 

[Padreruf]

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Jalen was the 2016 SEC OPOY, K Johnson from AU was the 2017 SEC OPOY.

You're right...my math is off...LOL.

For others replying on the fact that JH is not a rookie...I understand, but in some ways he is a rookie and learning how to read defenses can only help if something happens to Tua. OTOH, he kept most throws to the outside...didn't seem to learn much.

 

[Padreruf]

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You honestly don't see the difference?

I do...but I also believe that in playing JH you can keep him engaged and ready if needed. If all he gets is mop up duty -- then he may just drift off...and if needed not be ready. There is something about playing the game that keeps one's focus as opposed to just practicing...

 

[Padreruf]

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CNS has known since at least last December that Tua is the man. IMO, he let it play out this long to allow Jalen the opportunity to retain his status as the starter even though there was no chance that he could overcome his shortcomings vs Tua. Jalen, and most QBs, could play in the NFL for 40 years and never attain the QBing skills that Tua has at this moment. He has spatial recognition abilities that though they can be enhanced they are mostly a gift. This drawn out process also allowed for all of creation, including the mallards flying south for the winter, the bees buzzing in the meadows, the North Koreans and John McEnroe, to see that Tua was the man. Though amazingly there are still a handful of holdouts who cry 26-2 but no who has a nanogram of analytical capacity and at least one eye can say that Jalen did not have every conceivable chance to retain his job. CNS has had his sanity challenged or been suspected of having entered the early stages of dementia by his own fanbase because he had not named Tua the starter earlier. Some actually thought that Saban did not know.

Now most are happy, including those on the national scene who are "Bama fatiguers" and haters, because they can watch Tua perform his gridiron magic with the intelligence and aplomb of Brady, the elusive acumen of Wilson and the daring of Rogers. That's not counting the physical advantages like the thighs like tree trunks, a very stout core and hands like frying pans. And as mentioned earlier the incredible spatial recognition (IMO, his greatest and most important virtue), the mental and physical quickness, the decisiveness - and he is accurate. And least importantly, but it does help, he has a strong arm.

The guess is that CNS did not handle it perfectly, but IMO, the main objective was met - to make abundantly clear to all parties with whom CNS was concerned - that Tua is the right choice. In fact, the gap is so large - that only a madman would make another choice.

You nailed it...Tua's gifts are incredible, as is his development of those gifts. If the decision had been made behind closed doors there would have been even more controversy. Playing it out like he did, even though painful, has left no doubt...

 

[Bamabuzzard]

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I do...but I also believe that in playing JH you can keep him engaged and ready if needed. If all he gets is mop up duty -- then he may just drift off...and if needed not be ready. There is something about playing the game that keeps one's focus as opposed to just practicing...

Here's how you solve that. Put in the next guy who is engaged and interested.

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[UAllday]

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Another gift is amazing ability under pressure, he gets better in third down, two minute situations and red zone. It's like he was created out of the best, to be the best. To think where he is ability wise now (floor) and his ceiling it is looking nothing I have ever seen. No other coach or program is equippedd to make him the best version of himself, and no fans more deserving of being on this side of a true generational talent at QB,

CNS has known since at least last December that Tua is the man. IMO, he let it play out this long to allow Jalen the opportunity to retain his status as the starter even though there was no chance that he could overcome his shortcomings vs Tua. Jalen, and most QBs, could play in the NFL for 40 years and never attain the QBing skills that Tua has at this moment. He has spatial recognition abilities that though they can be enhanced they are mostly a gift. This drawn out process also allowed for all of creation, including the mallards flying south for the winter, the bees buzzing in the meadows, the North Koreans and John McEnroe, to see that Tua was the man. Though amazingly there are still a handful of holdouts who cry 26-2 but no who has a nanogram of analytical capacity and at least one eye can say that Jalen did not have every conceivable chance to retain his job. CNS has had his sanity challenged or been suspected of having entered the early stages of dementia by his own fanbase because he had not named Tua the starter earlier. Some actually thought that Saban did not know.

Now most are happy, including those on the national scene who are "Bama fatiguers" and haters, because they can watch Tua perform his gridiron magic with the intelligence and aplomb of Brady, the elusive acumen of Wilson and the daring of Rogers. That's not counting the physical advantages like the thighs like tree trunks, a very stout core and hands like frying pans. And as mentioned earlier the incredible spatial recognition (IMO, his greatest and most important virtue), the mental and physical quickness, the decisiveness - and he is accurate. And least importantly, but it does help, he has a strong arm.

The guess is that CNS did not handle it perfectly, but IMO, the main objective was met - to make abundantly clear to all parties with whom CNS was concerned - that Tua is the right choice. In fact, the gap is so large - that only a madman would make another choice.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

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I’m not trying to pile on here but coach what position? Maybe strength and conditioning but I don’t see him going into coaching QBs or offense in general..

Who are the above average coaches (head, or position) you can think of? Now, which of them was an above average player? I don’t think it’s a long list.

I’m willing to bet there’s a point - probably around the minimum skill required to make a college team - beyond which the likelihood of becoming an effective coach rapidly diminishes. If you excelled naturally at something, it can be hard to teach it, because it always came naturally to you; but the guys you’re coaching, well, they need to understand it the way someone who also struggled with it does.

Who better than Jalen to say, credibly, to a college QB “if you can’t learn to stay in the pocket and go through your progressions, you won’t make it in college, let alone the NFL”?

The saying “those who can’t, teach” isn’t necessarily pejorative...


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[cmmiller711]

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I could be completely wrong. That is a given! It is his life not mine but I do know that there are a heck of a lot of coaches out there in the NCAA and NFL who never played the game at a high level including one CNS.

EDIT: misread your post. Disregard.

 

[gtgilbert]

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I was rewatching the UL game last night and something struck me. On DTs interception, he was several yards INSIDE the hash when the ball was thrown and got all the way over to the sideline to make the pick in the end zone when the ball was just inside the 30 yard line.

The reason that was interesting to me was that I'd heard some say that on 2nd and 26, that the UGA safety 'helped' us win because he was on the hash instead of outside the hash and that was the only reason Tua was able to make the throw. Seeing DT cover even more space, starting well inside the hash, on what was a shorter throw from a strongarmed QB was just another data point to me that Tua made an AMAZING throw on that play to get the ball in place before the S could get over. If it was Pass (UL) trying to make that throw, the UGA S likely gets over there to at least break it up.

 

[dvldog]

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I was rewatching the UL game last night and something struck me. On DTs interception, he was several yards INSIDE the hash when the ball was thrown and got all the way over to the sideline to make the pick in the end zone when the ball was just inside the 30 yard line.

The reason that was interesting to me was that I'd heard some say that on 2nd and 26, that the UGA safety 'helped' us win because he was on the hash instead of outside the hash and that was the only reason Tua was able to make the throw. Seeing DT cover even more space, starting well inside the hash, on what was a shorter throw from a strongarmed QB was just another data point to me that Tua made an AMAZING throw on that play to get the ball in place before the S could get over. If it was Puma Pass (UL) trying to make that throw, the UGA S likely gets over there to at least break it up.

Fixed it. Boy, did I get tired for hearing that name.

 

[Nolan]

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Fixed it. Boy, did I get tired for hearing that name.

It was either Belle or Mom2, but one of our lady posters made a great point - don’t guys have to earn nicknames first?

 

[RTR91]

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It was either Belle or Mom2, but one of our lady posters made a great point - don’t guys have to earn nicknames first?

I remember him having that nickname when he was a recruit. He got it years ago.

 

[crimsonaudio]

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I've removed the 'ALL QB posts here, please' designation on this thread as the competition, as it were is pretty much settled...

 

[CrimsonForce]

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I was rewatching the UL game last night and something struck me. On DTs interception, he was several yards INSIDE the hash when the ball was thrown and got all the way over to the sideline to make the pick in the end zone when the ball was just inside the 30 yard line.

The reason that was interesting to me was that I'd heard some say that on 2nd and 26, that the UGA safety 'helped' us win because he was on the hash instead of outside the hash and that was the only reason Tua was able to make the throw. Seeing DT cover even more space, starting well inside the hash, on what was a shorter throw from a strongarmed QB was just another data point to me that Tua made an AMAZING throw on that play to get the ball in place before the S could get over. If it was Pass (UL) trying to make that throw, the UGA S likely gets over there to at least break it up.

From what I've seen DT is going to be the #1 rated prospect at safety. Likely top 10-15 first round pick. Crazy that we're basically only going to get 1 full year out of him. He's a force in the secondary..

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

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From what I've seen DT is going to be the #1 rated prospect at safety. Likely top 10-15 first round pick. Crazy that we're basically only going to get 1 full year out of him. He's a force in the secondary..

He's so insanely good. I knew he would be an elite player this year but I still think I underrated him. It looks like he has great ball skills too.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

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He's so insanely good. I knew he would be an elite player this year but I still think I underrated him. It looks like he has great ball skills too.

Herbie made several comments during the game pointing out his closing speed and how he could be 10-15 yards from the ball and within seconds be all over the receiver to cut off the throw. He's an elite athlete.

 

[RTR91]

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Herbie made several comments during the game pointing out his closing speed and how he could be 10-15 yards from the ball and within seconds be all over the receiver to cut off the throw. He's an elite athlete.

This play from the Georgia game shows how ridiculous he is.

 

[UAllday]

Freddie Kitchens and Sly Croom don't coach the position they played in college.

Our own Josh Gattis was a defensive back

 

[GrayTide]

Good thing this thread wasn't closed since there will obviously be more heated discussions coming after today's game. :conf2: