Alabama QB competition article

[Intl.Aperture]

How is it costing the team? I'm just curious..... I mean this isn't LSU or Ole miss situation......

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I think we are misunderstanding one another. I don't think the QB competition is costing the team anything at this point. I think it is a BENEFIT to the team. I was saying the ONLY way the competition could be costing the team is that 1 players isn't getting 100% of the reps with the 1st team offense to build chemistry. But I think the pros of competition outweigh that con.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

I think we are misunderstanding one another. I don't think the QB competition is costing the team anything at this point. I think it is a BENEFIT to the team. I was saying the ONLY way the competition could be costing the team is that 1 players isn't getting 100% of the reps with the 1st team offense to build chemistry. But I think the pros of competition outweigh that con.

I gotcha now.

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[Evil Crimson Dragon]

What does "give Jalen a chance" mean? He has had two years of chances by CNS' own words. If that isn't fair I don't know what is. In those two years there have been many chances. We know Bama can beat teams with inferior defenses with Jalen at QB. Does give Jalen a chance mean he gets to play a half against every team with good defenses and rely on Tua to come in and save the day? I think CNS' loyalty is first and foremost to the team. Maybe I am going out on a limb here, but I think CNS will do what is best for the team. He proved that by starting Tua in the second half of the national championship game. While we are discussing fairness and chances then what about Tua and Mac. Does anyone doubt that CNS tells recruits if they come to Bama and put in the work and the effort and prove they are the best they will start. If Tua and Mac have done everything that CNS has asked them to do and have proven in practice that they can execute Bama offense better than Jalen then how is that being unfair to Jalen? If CNS starts Jalen when everyone knows that Tua is better, that sends a terrible message to future recruits and it will be the catalyst that will divide the team.

A chance, if one last one, to win the team over......I don’t think naming Tua the starter would be unfair at all, but I’m not Saban, and don’t control the decisions made at Bama......
He will do what he needs to do. Personally, I don’t think Jalen will win out , but that’s just my opinion. I am in agreement that Jalen has had two years to do it and hasn’t. But again, I’m just speculating about what Saban will do...... none of us honestly know what he will decide.

 

[drwho]

I feel like Saban does as well, but will give Jalen a chance out of fairness.........in the end I think Tua takes over. I think he also knows about who the team is behind and has confidence in, and what could happen if things go the other way. I think he chooses Tua

People need to get over being fair, and look at the best option.

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[Bamabuzzard]

People need to get over being fair, and look at the best option.

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Like we tell our kids when they claim "that's not fair".

The fair comes in October.

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

People need to get over being fair, and look at the best option.

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And I don’t have any problem with that.....nothing in life is fair, and I am sure they both know that. Were it me, Tua would start and I wouldn’t look back......but they don’t ask me my opinion ; )

 

[Crimson White]

Could you please tell us where to find the videos? I would like to see it.

Well, since I obviously can not link it to here, you could go to YouTube, then search for a video from "John Doe" (he sounds pretty knowledgeable. May be a coach that doesn't want to use his own name?), and the video is titled "Jalen Hurts vs Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama QB Challenge, EASY PICK"
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[Intl.Aperture]

People need to get over being fair, and look at the best option.

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Fairness doesn't mean getting the starting position because you've been here longer, it just means getting an honest shot to compete for or retain your position. That's what Saban promises to these kids and their parents when he recruits them so that's what they get.

Nobody here is positing that Jalen should get to retain his position out of "fairness" and tactically it would be a poor idea for Saban to give Jalen the boot now and elevate Tua. Give Jalen summer and fall to compete and if and when he comes up short, start Tua. That's fair, to me.

We know Tua is the best option. But if he and Jalen think for a second that Saban could choose the other then they are going to work their butts off to come out on top. That's productive competition that will pay dividends in the fall.

 

[Crimson White]

But can Tua win the team over? Can he play mistake free game that Saban likes?

Did you not see how the team played better with Tua?

If mistake free means rolling out of the pocket and throwing the ball out of bounds when you get a little pressure, then let's take a chance once in a while.

 

[Intl.Aperture]

Well, since I obviously can not link it to here, you could go to YouTube, then search for a video from "John Doe" (he sounds pretty knowledgeable. May be a coach that doesn't want to use his own name?), and the video is titled "Jalen Hurts vs Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama QB Challenge, EASY PICK"

lol. I'm watching it now. The guy is pretty funny. When you put all those attempts together like that it's hard to watch. He certainly knew there was a problem early on.

 

[westide]

What evidence is there that CNS hasn't given Jalen a chance or that he hasn't been fair? It doesn't do any good to dream up excuses in order to try and explain why Jalen hasn't performed well. It wasn't the play calling by the coaches or the lack of opportunities. The fact is that Jalen is a good athlete, but he is not a proficient passer. If it was just his technique that could be improved, but that isn't the main problem. He is too hesitant in making decisions. He doesn't seem to have confidence in his own passing. Is that the coaches fault? He doesn't have a lot of interceptions because many times he throws the ball to the ground or six feet over everybody's head where no one can catch it. I don't consider that a plus or necessarily evidence of ball security. Ball security entails not turning the ball over by fumbles and interceptions, but it also entails not turning it over on downs due to poor execution. The best ball security is to keep the ball from the other team by keep moving the chains. It also keeps your defense from becoming tired, which cost us a national championship against Clemson. You don't win a team over by merely words. You have to do it through performance. Anyone that watched the national championship game against Georgia saw winning the team over in action. When Tua came in the play of the whole team improved. It wasn't just a little spark, it was an electric bolt that stunned Georgia. It wasn't due to Georgia's lack of watching game film. Kirby Smart acknowledged that. It was due to execution by the Bama offense and defense. I am looking forward to this coming season. I want to see more of what I saw in the second half against Georgia and not the first half.

 

[BamaMoon]

I think we are misunderstanding one another. I don't think the QB competition is costing the team anything at this point. I think it is a BENEFIT to the team. I was saying the ONLY way the competition could be costing the team is that 1 players isn't getting 100% of the reps with the 1st team offense to build chemistry. But I think the pros of competition outweigh that con.

And we are talking about over a month before fall camp, right now. I'm sure there will be a "competition" during fall camp. I doubt we'll know who will take the first snap until game time. But I seriously doubt they'll be a "competition" and split reps after the first couple of games, if it goes that far.

But can Tua win the team over? Can he play mistake free game that Saban likes? Can Tua adjust when defense like LSU and Auburn figures him out? Can Jalen improve enough to where he can make plays with his hands instead of feet? Can Hurts take some chance throwing down the field? I think both can do all those things. Talented player doesn't necessary mean you'll get starting spot, as we've seen with Saban over the years. I agree that Tua is a talented player with lot of upside to his game. I do believe he will start this year. All I'm saying is don't count Jalen out. That's all I'm saying.

Since you asked: Tua can do all those things and, so far, Jalen can't. This has been proven on the field before our very eyes. It's why it's easy for me to say "Jalen had his chance."

Again, if something drastic changes, sobeit, but Jalen's not turning into a better version than what we saw in the first half against Georgia and he's definitely not turning into a better version of what we saw in Tua in the second half against Georgia. That's the standard, in my mind, right now.

People need to get over being fair, and look at the best option.

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I don't think it was ever about "what's fair" but I think if anybody wants to look at it that way, I'd say CNS got over what was fair at halftime against Georgia.

 

[Crimson White]

What evidence is there that CNS hasn't given Jalen a chance or that he hasn't been fair? .

Jalen Hurts has had a chance for 2 years to get better. I'm pretty sure he's as good as he is ever going to get.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

https://247sports.com/college/alaba...idham-Jake-Browning-Trace-McSorely--119375369

Reier: Hurts made his second straight trip to MPA. Obviously, a lot has happened since his last visit to the camp. One thing we've grown to expect from him is a steadiness and demeanor that doesn't seem to get affected by things going on around him. Did you notice any difference in Jalen from last year to this year in that regard?
Morris: I think you nailed it; just a really steady kid. Kind of laid back, really comfortable in his own skin and really outgoing with the high school and middle school campers. I don't think anyone had more fun with those kids than he did. We were kind of close to each other during roll call every day and we were able to have some good conversations and obviously I got to coach him up during several workouts. I think he knows he wants to get better and be more consistent and he's working on that. He looked good down there. Physically, he's a guy that in that environment is impressive to watch.

Reier: With what you've seen from Jalen the last two years, do you believe he's fit specific or can he thrive in just about any offensive approach?
Morris: It's kind of hard for me to say. He's got the ability to make all the throws. He can do it. I guess it comes down to confidence and where his head is right now. It's tough; he's had three coordinators in three years. Not many people are in that situation and that's a tough environment. Physically, he reminds me a lot of Dak Prescott. Just the way he looks, the athleticism and strength. I think Dak has some of the best touch out there and Jalen probably needs to grow there. As far as looking the part and being able to make the throws, he can do it. Now, can you do it in an environment where bullets are flying and all that? He's had moments when he's shown that he can and then he's had moments when I think he's struggled. Is the struggle there because of a lack of confidence or a lack of reaction skills? I don't know, but I think if he's the starter I could see him having a monster year. It's hard to say what will happen because there are a lot variables, but he's capable.


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[Crimson White]

https://247sports.com/college/alaba...idham-Jake-Browning-Trace-McSorely--119375369

Reier: Hurts made his second straight trip to MPA. Obviously, a lot has happened since his last visit to the camp. One thing we've grown to expect from him is a steadiness and demeanor that doesn't seem to get affected by things going on around him. Did you notice any difference in Jalen from last year to this year in that regard?
Morris: I think you nailed it; just a really steady kid. Kind of laid back, really comfortable in his own skin and really outgoing with the high school and middle school campers. I don't think anyone had more fun with those kids than he did. We were kind of close to each other during roll call every day and we were able to have some good conversations and obviously I got to coach him up during several workouts. I think he knows he wants to get better and be more consistent and he's working on that. He looked good down there. Physically, he's a guy that in that environment is impressive to watch.

Reier: With what you've seen from Jalen the last two years, do you believe he's fit specific or can he thrive in just about any offensive approach?
Morris: It's kind of hard for me to say. He's got the ability to make all the throws. He can do it. I guess it comes down to confidence and where his head is right now. It's tough; he's had three coordinators in three years. Not many people are in that situation and that's a tough environment. Physically, he reminds me a lot of Dak Prescott. Just the way he looks, the athleticism and strength. I think Dak has some of the best touch out there and Jalen probably needs to grow there. As far as looking the part and being able to make the throws, he can do it. Now, can you do it in an environment where bullets are flying and all that? He's had moments when he's shown that he can and then he's had moments when I think he's struggled. Is the struggle there because of a lack of confidence or a lack of reaction skills? I don't know, but I think if he's the starter I could see him having a monster year. It's hard to say what will happen because there are a lot variables, but he's capable.


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Welcome to this time last year and the new and improved Jalen Hurts.

 

[BamaMoon]

https://247sports.com/college/alaba...idham-Jake-Browning-Trace-McSorely--119375369

Reier: Hurts made his second straight trip to MPA. Obviously, a lot has happened since his last visit to the camp. One thing we've grown to expect from him is a steadiness and demeanor that doesn't seem to get affected by things going on around him. Did you notice any difference in Jalen from last year to this year in that regard?
Morris: I think you nailed it; just a really steady kid. Kind of laid back, really comfortable in his own skin and really outgoing with the high school and middle school campers. I don't think anyone had more fun with those kids than he did. We were kind of close to each other during roll call every day and we were able to have some good conversations and obviously I got to coach him up during several workouts. I think he knows he wants to get better and be more consistent and he's working on that. He looked good down there. Physically, he's a guy that in that environment is impressive to watch.

Reier: With what you've seen from Jalen the last two years, do you believe he's fit specific or can he thrive in just about any offensive approach?
Morris: It's kind of hard for me to say. He's got the ability to make all the throws. He can do it. I guess it comes down to confidence and where his head is right now. It's tough; he's had three coordinators in three years. Not many people are in that situation and that's a tough environment. Physically, he reminds me a lot of Dak Prescott. Just the way he looks, the athleticism and strength. I think Dak has some of the best touch out there and Jalen probably needs to grow there. As far as looking the part and being able to make the throws, he can do it. Now, can you do it in an environment where bullets are flying and all that? He's had moments when he's shown that he can and then he's had moments when I think he's struggled. Is the struggle there because of a lack of confidence or a lack of reaction skills? I don't know, but I think if he's the starter I could see him having a monster year. It's hard to say what will happen because there are a lot variables, but he's capable.


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This guy's opinion is "he's got talent and maybe he can do it, but I'm not sure."

Nobody in their right mind would disagree.

But, can Tua do it? Here's the difference, he already has. Tua proved more in one half of football against Georgia than Jalen's proven in 2 full seasons.

The scouting report on Jalen is still the same: great athlete, good arm, has the ability to make all the throws, but struggles in real competition to do so.

 

[RedWave]

Did you not see how the team played better with Tua?

If mistake free means rolling out of the pocket and throwing the ball out of bounds when you get a little pressure, then let's take a chance once in a while.

Can I get an 'Amen?'

 

[westide]

I am more concerned about Jalen's performance in real games than at camps.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Once a coach has as much game film that is now on Jalen. The game film carries more weight than practice performance. How good does Jalen have to be in practice for Coach to put more credibility in his practices than what he has on very recent game film, including a spring scrimmage in which he showed little to no improvement? IMO, for him to win the job during this offseason. He would have to have eye popping performances in practices for it to outweigh the two years of game film and most recent NCG performance that is now available to analyze.

 

[RedWave]

Well, since I obviously can not link it to here, you could go to YouTube, then search for a video from "John Doe" (he sounds pretty knowledgeable. May be a coach that doesn't want to use his own name?), and the video is titled "Jalen Hurts vs Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama QB Challenge, EASY PICK"
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That's what I needed. Thanks! I enjoyed that one, and the guy was brutal but right. In fairness, anyone could go make a video of really awful plays made by Tom Brady, or all the bad golf shots taken by Tiger Woods (during his glory years), etc. But that video is a lot of really bad stuff in a relatively short period. The guy says what many of us have been thinking. I doubt his ability to come and beat Bama with UAB which he claimed in the video though.