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Alabama QB competition article

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Nolan said:
Saw on ESPN yesterday that CNS said, and I paraphrase, “Both guys are playing well, so we will just competing and see what happens.”

Perhaps most telling, he emphasized the playmakers at RB and receiver, and that “the QB that best distributes the ball” will play. I think I know who that is. But who can say?
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He is a master at communicating indirectly. He keeps raising the bar on the QBs being more aggressive. By doing this he makes them both push themselves to not play it safe. This both gets them valuable experience under pressure and forces the better passer to rise to the top. Amazing how he uses the press to talk to his players and keep coaching.
 
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Skeeterpop said:
He is a master at communicating indirectly. He keeps raising the bar on the QBs being more aggressive. By doing this he makes them both push themselves to not play it safe. This both gets them valuable experience under pressure and forces the better passer to rise to the top. Amazing how he uses the press to talk to his players and keep coaching.
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Do you believe there is a risk of losing Tua in the process? It seems a real balancing act for sure.
 
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UAH said:
Do you believe there is a risk of losing Tua in the process? It seems a real balancing act for sure.
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I know you didn't direct the question at me, but I'm gonna give my thoughts,
(cuz i got opinions'n stuff!)
I don't think so. Tua is going to play.
How do I know this? I don't.
But, I do.

Look, it's just obvious that you can't keep that kid off the field. I'm glad it sounds like Jalen might be progressing. I'm glad he tossed a few TD's and only 1 INT. against the 2's in a scrimmage. I just don't think it's possible for him to develop those sort of passing intangibles already on display from Tua.

Look, CNS is creating this boiler on purpose. It's affecting the fans almost more than it is affecting the intended targets of Jalen and Tua.

After this last scrimmage report came out and it was revealed that Tua was shaky early before lasering 3 TD's later one poster commented that it probably wouldn't have happened if CNS had just come out and named him as the starting QB already. BUT THAT IS PRECISELY THE POINT OF NOT NAMING A STARTER. You want to put these guys under mental pressure. You want to see how their mental fortitude holds up during duress. How do they perform when thing are tough and the situation feels out of your control? When things don't seem to be going your way, do you give in or go lax or show signs of cracking?

CNS is THE GREATEST mental strength and conditioning coach since Bear Bryant. He's an expert at developing the mindsets of his players.
This is not his first rodeo.
He's pushing these 2 QB's to their mental breaking point and the team will be the better for it when the season rolls around. I guarantee both QB's are better than they were at the end of last season and this competition is probably a large reason why.

I think it's a credit to Tua that he started off shaky, but overcame adversity to throw those TD's and avoid INTs. I think coach will love that. How often have we heard him preach about having the mental strength to shake off bad plays and overcome adversity?
Same goes for Jalen. CNS will absolutely respect that he showed marked improvement between scrimmages - 2nd string or not.

Look, I've been in favor of this strategy all along. I've always thought it would build the best player. CNS is unrivaled when it comes to creating mental giants on the field. That's why I'm so shocked to hear so many Bama fans say they wished coach would just announce Tua the starter already. Folks were saying that in the middle of the summer. We've seen coach mold competitive titans year after year and now that process seems to weaken the fans more than the players.

Tua will play. Jalen may play.
The anxiety CNS is creating is intended and it is working.
 
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Skeeterpop said:
He is a master at communicating indirectly. He keeps raising the bar on the QBs being more aggressive. By doing this he makes them both push themselves to not play it safe. This both gets them valuable experience under pressure and forces the better passer to rise to the top. Amazing how he uses the press to talk to his players and keep coaching.
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^^^THIS^^^
 
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Yesterday CNS said, "...we may have to score more points to win this season than we have in the past..."

This is the message the QBs are hearing and he's pushing them to be playmakers.

The facts that tell us how it's going are: from the 2 scrimmages Tua has 7 TDs and 0 INTs, Jalen has 2 TDs and 3 INTs (according to Coach K on Twitter).

If this is close to accurate it shows Tau is the better playmaker (no surprise there) and that this fall Jalen has decided he can't hold on to the ball, but when he tries to pass he's a turnover threat.

So if coach means what he says, he knows who the starter is going to be.
 
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BamaMoon said:
Yesterday CNS said, "...we may have to score more points to win this season than we have in the past..."

This is the message the QBs are hearing and he's pushing them to be playmakers.

The facts that tell us how it's going are: from the 2 scrimmages Tua has 7 TDs and 0 INTs, Jalen has 2 TDs and 3 INTs (according to Coach K on Twitter).

If this is close to accurate it shows Tau is the better playmaker (no surprise there) and that this fall Jalen has decided he can't hold on to the ball, but when he tries to pass he's a turnover threat.

So if coach means what he says, he knows who the starter is going to be.
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Just to give the full quote:

Given some of Alabama's personnel losses on defense to the NFL and key injuries at linebacker this offseason, Saban said this will probably be a "different kind of team" in that the Tide might have to win more scoring battles and not lean on their defense as much. "That plays a factor, too, because we may have to score more points to win this season than we have in the past," Saban said. "It all fits together."
 
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CrimsonForce said:
Just to give the full quote:

Given some of Alabama's personnel losses on defense to the NFL and key injuries at linebacker this offseason, Saban said this will probably be a "different kind of team" in that the Tide might have to win more scoring battles and not lean on their defense as much. "That plays a factor, too, because we may have to score more points to win this season than we have in the past," Saban said. "It all fits together."
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He could have said, "We'll probably need to look like we did in the second half against Georgia instead of how we looked in the first half.":)
 
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I think there's one important thing that fall camp showed us about the QB's. Before fall camp the popular opinion was that Tua is the gunslinger so we'll have to put up with more turnovers from him than Jalen. In fall camp however it appears that if Jalen tries to make the throws that Tua makes it's actually Jalen who is more turnover prone because he's less accurate. So not only is Tua the better passer but he's perhaps the safer choice at QB as well. Given Saban's statement that we may need to score more points there can only be one choice at QB.
 
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PA Tide Fan said:
I think there's one important thing that fall camp showed us about the QB's. Before fall camp the popular opinion was that Tua is the gunslinger so we'll have to put up with more turnovers from him than Jalen. In fall camp however it appears that if Jalen tries to make the throws that Tua makes it's actually Jalen who is more turnover prone because he's less accurate. So not only is Tua the better passer but he's perhaps the safer choice at QB as well. Given Saban's statement that we may need to score more points there can only be one choice at QB.
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We all knew Tua can hit the "keyhole" on a door, as Daboll was famously quoted as saying last year.

But what we didn't know was if Tua would force throws that aren't there. Apparently, he's not been egregiously guilty of that.

We have heard about him fitting in some completions in "tight windows" but that just speaks to his accuracy...something Jalen has never been known for.

All and in all the mountain of evidence to start Tua is just overwhelming at this point.
 
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Saban said he wanted a QB that can spread the ball around to utilize the talents of all players and that we may be in more scoring battle than years recently. I feel like he's saying Tua is the starter without actually naming him the starter.

We face some really good QBs this year:

Jawon Pass
Jordan Ta'amu
Drew Lock
Joe Burrow
Nick Fitzgerald
Jarrett Stidham

We gotta have a gunslinger to match in case the secondary gets in trouble.
 
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RammerJammer15 said:
Saban said he wanted a QB that can spread the ball around to utilize the talents of all players and that we may be in more scoring battle than years recently. I feel like he's saying Tua is the starter without actually naming him the starter.

We face some really good QBs this year:

Jawon Pass
Jordan Ta'amu
Drew Lock
Joe Burrow
Nick Fitzgerald
Jarrett Stidham

We gotta have a gunslinger to match in case the secondary gets in trouble.
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I agree about the SEC having some very good QB we have to face this year. Arkansas State (though in a smaller division of course) has a decent QB coming back. He's probably not as good as SEC QB's, but he is no slouch either. I read where he was one of the best in his league and thought to be a high draft prospect.

I think the first 2 games will help BAMA secondary be prepared for Ole Miss, which has a great QB and receivers.
 
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RammerJammer15 said:
Saban said he wanted a QB that can spread the ball around to utilize the talents of all players and that we may be in more scoring battle than years recently. I feel like he's saying Tua is the starter without actually naming him the starter.

We face some really good QBs this year:

Jawon Pass
Jordan Ta'amu
Drew Lock
Joe Burrow
Nick Fitzgerald
Jarrett Stidham

We gotta have a gunslinger to match in case the secondary gets in trouble.
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That is a solid list of opposing QBs. It's official, the season is upon us, and I'm getting fired up for some football. Roll Tide!
 
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It seems like the period of time where the SEC was lacking elite QBs is over. In fact the SEC might have the best group of QBs in the country now.
 
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RollTide_HTTR said:
It seems like the period of time where the SEC was lacking elite QBs is over. In fact the SEC might have the best group of QBs in the country now.
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Yeah, I agree. We may have more points scored on us this season yet still have a very salty defense. Tua gives us that scoring potential. When he's in the game he's capable of gashing the defense with one throw. Defenses have to respect it and will be A LOT more hesitant to crowd and crash down on the LOS.



Looks like Saban also believes we may have to score more points this season.

Given some of Alabama's personnel losses on defense to the NFL and key injuries at linebacker this offseason, Saban said this will probably be a "different kind of team" in that the Tide might have to win more scoring battles and not lean on their defense as much.
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24439844/nick-saban-talks-alabama-crimson-tide-qb-battle-jalen-hurts-tua-tagovailoa
 
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UAH said:
Do you believe there is a risk of losing Tua in the process? It seems a real balancing act for sure.
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No in my opinion. The only way Tua is not our QB for the majority of this year is an injury. Regardless who starts first game or two. They both will play against Louisville. I think Tua gets the start and Hurts plays 2nd QTR. Just my gut feeling. Maybe they will alternate series. I dont like that route but I trust Saban.
 
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Skeeterpop said:
No in my opinion. The only way Tua is not our QB for the majority of this year is an injury. Regardless who starts first game or two. They both will play against Louisville. I think Tua gets the start and Hurts plays 2nd QTR. Just my gut feeling. Maybe they will alternate series. I dont like that route but I trust Saban.
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No way they alternate series, I don’t think this is like a McCarron-Sims situation.

If we blow them out like 21-0 in the first quarter then we’ll definitely see Jalen in the 2nd quarter though. If it’s like 2014 West Virginia then who gets the start (more than likely Tua) will probably play the whole game.
 
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So many mixed messages... according to this article Jalen was up against the ones during the second scrimmage and believes Jalen will start.


“The action started with the first offense against the first defense. Quarterback Jalen Hurts opened at quarterback and promptly threw two beautiful deep passes, right on the money. He was 2-for-2 for 175 yards after one minute. In fact, Hurts looked extremely efficient and, in his cool style, lead the Tide to several early scores.”

Article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.montgomeryadvertiser.com/amp/1063754002
 
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Kpro said:
So many mixed messages... according to this article Jalen was up against the ones during the second scrimmage and believes Jalen will start.


“The action started with the first offense against the first defense. Quarterback Jalen Hurts opened at quarterback and promptly threw two beautiful deep passes, right on the money. He was 2-for-2 for 175 yards after one minute. In fact, Hurts looked extremely efficient and, in his cool style, lead the Tide to several early scores.”

Article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.montgomeryadvertiser.com/amp/1063754002
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Can't tell you how I know, but I completely 1000% trust my source.

In last Saturday's scrimmage, Jalen and Tua both played against the defensive 1s and 2s. In other words, it was a mix. Both QBs played against both defenses.

Jalen started out strong, but that level was unsustainable, and his finish wasn't as strong as his start. Tua started out slow, and finished with several throws that all but a few elite college QBs can only dream about.
 
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Kpro said:
So many mixed messages... according to this article Jalen was up against the ones during the second scrimmage and believes Jalen will start.


“The action started with the first offense against the first defense. Quarterback Jalen Hurts opened at quarterback and promptly threw two beautiful deep passes, right on the money. He was 2-for-2 for 175 yards after one minute. In fact, Hurts looked extremely efficient and, in his cool style, lead the Tide to several early scores.”

Article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.montgomeryadvertiser.com/amp/1063754002
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Until I hear that Jalen is going thru progressions and finding his second or third option I don't think anything has changed.

Jalen has always been a big, one play hit wonder. If I'm guessing those two bombs were pre-snap determinations. Good for him, but that's never been his problem. His problem is what happens when the pre-snap read isn't obvious and his first read is covered. And then there's the issue of completing 3rd and long situations he's always struggled with.

Again, until I see him do things he's never been able to do, I doubt much at all has changed.
 
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