Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keyboard!

[bamanut_aj]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

agree about "dude with sprained ankle"
disagree about FGs, what did L.S.U. get out of them?
agree about TR up the middle but you're 8 games late on this one:wink:
50/50 on substitutions, depends on whose fault it REALLY was cause Hanks was involved with one of them.

what did lsu get out of us missing 4 FGs?? They got not only momentum, but basically a 12 point 'head start'.

 

[subherbanite]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

what did lsu get out of us missing 4 FGs?? They got not only momentum, but basically a 12 point 'head start'.

As you stated, they were 50+yd FGs. Foster was only like 1-3 coming into the game and how many did you expect him to make? They did nothing with their "momentum", it was 3-3 at halftime.

 

[SimplyTide]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

Sorry. Players did not decide to kick field goals beyond the kicker's reliable range. (Bama's punter may not have the best leg, but he can pooch a kick & Bama has the best defense in the nation) Players did not select a punt returner with a badly sprained ankle to the point he could not backpeddle and catch the 70 yard punt (an a called punt block, you tell the one returner that he will have no help back there, to catch the dang ball and get down or get out of bounds.) Players did not call cute plays as the offense nears the red zone. Coaches did those things.
Les and his staff coached circles around Coach Saban and his last night.

As much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree. While the kicking teams failed miserably, the coaching staff kept putting them in a position to fail over and over again. The first couple of misses can be blamed on execution, but the rest belongs on the coaching staff. Cade wasn't even close on those first two kicks.

 

[Tidetwin]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

As you stated, they were 50+yd FGs. Foster was only like 1-3 coming into the game and how many did you expect him to make? They did nothing with their "momentum", it was 3-3 at halftime.

I am sure that LSU absolutely loved it that we attempted the field goals. Their gain in field position kept us effectively bottled up for most of the first half.

 

[subherbanite]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

I am sure that LSU absolutely loved it that we attempted the field goals. Their gain in field position kept us effectively bottled up for most of the first half.

Cody Mandell punted twice in regulation, we sustained drives for the majority of the night. We were our own worst enemy once we got to their 35-30yd line.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=313090333&period=0

 

[Liger]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

Sure, bad coaching was part of the reason. Play-calling was slightly suspect at times so thats on the coaches no doubt about it. Some of the running plays were predictable and slow-developing.

You can't out mad hat the mad hatter. We should have stuck to what we do best: Run the ball BUT run it effectively.

So yeh, I think bad coaching decisions and special teams did us in. Yes, LSU won the game but if Bama makes at least 2 of those missed FGs then we're the number one team in the country today.

 

[Bama Greg]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

I agree with the OP. Now, I'll never say any coach or any player is above some criticism and accountability. This game was not perfect in either aspect, but I can't believe the all-out bash-fest by some on the coaches either. There were numerous plays that if any one of them is executed properly, it would have changed the outcome of the game - and I'm not even counting kicks. Nobody played particularly bad (again, not counting kickers) but just a few mistakes by several of our best players made the difference. It was that kind of game. Even if I question some of the calls/decisions, I just don't feel like we can blame this one all on coaching. I felt that way about AU in the second half last year, but not in this game. GMac was on fire, and we adandoned the passing game in that game until it was too late, and we had to pass. In this game, they kept the playcalling balanced, they put the players in position to make big plays. They just didn't make them.

My problem is, we went away from the things that got us to the #1 vs #2, plenty of dump offs to the playmakers, getting them in space to get the extra YAC, and yes I will play armchair QB, we pay these coaches millions of dollars to make the decisions, and they have to take most of the blame for this loss, there were some very questionable play calls made, and the special teams play, why try 50 yd. FG when you have the opportunity to flip the field position, like LSwho did=\.

I am just frustrated that we were able to move the ball at will sometimes, we have 3 horses in the stable, use them, see above, we left way too many points on the field, we did not use the strengths that got us to this point, I love our coaching staff, just very disappointed in the way they called the game thats all. I feel they could have, and should have blown this game wide open early if we had used the players above, and special teams decisions were better utilized. JMHO

 

[skippgriffin]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

As you stated, they were 50+yd FGs. Foster was only like 1-3 coming into the game and how many did you expect him to make? They did nothing with their "momentum", it was 3-3 at halftime.

I agree with you 100%. What good would it have done to punt in those situations?? Our D played like MEN all night. LSU scored 0 points after our misses... excluding OT. Poor field position is the only downfall. But we consequently drove the ball back to the 30-35 consistently. Play calling at that point changed. The delayed draw play was an epic fail all night. Ground and pound from under center was the preferred play call. It worked. I also noticed several people knocking the "Trent up the middle play". Hey... it works. Am I the only one who noticed 4, 5, 9, 10, 24 yard carries from a simple Ace formation and running the ball behind either Jones or Fluker. I'm not saying this was BAD COACHING. I just think we left a few out there.

 

[BradtheImpaler]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

What LSU got from those long missed field goals was better field position and the reduction in the amount of pressure that comes with not having to face the best defense in the nation on its own goal line. This game was a close, defensive struggle and in those kinds of games, field position is critical. It doesn't matter if those missed field goals led directly to LSU scoring or not. What they did was apply undue pressure to our offense and defense, rather than theirs. Trying the first one is okay, but when the misses are that bad and the night is only getting colder, continuing to try starts to look a little like the definition of insanity.

 

[AlofBama]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

Sorry. Players did not decide to kick field goals beyond the kicker's reliable range. (Bama's punter may not have the best leg, but he can pooch a kick & Bama has the best defense in the nation) Players did not select a punt returner with a badly sprained ankle to the point he could not backpeddle and catch the 70 yard punt (an a called punt block, you tell the one returner that he will have no help back there, to catch the dang ball and get down or get out of bounds.) Players did not call cute plays as the offense nears the red zone. Coaches did those things.
Les and his staff coached circles around Coach Saban and his last night.

Just exactly what did they do that was so great? Our D had a blown coverage that caused their first FG. Our O had a int. that gave them their second. Nothing else got them any closer to even attempt any points in regulation. We had numerous drives into scoring territory and did not execute. But we drove it in there. Just wasn't our night. I'd have done some things different, BUT if we had made those FG's, and points being at such a premium, we'd be singing the praises of CNS and staff for knowing how to win this tight game.

There was nothing on their side coaching wise that makes me think they outcoached us, i.e. putting Lee back in to throw another int? Great coaching move, and could have cost them the game. That's another play we messed up, 2 block in the backs when we would have had the ball inside the 5.

Too many mental mistakes, and let's face it, one TD in this game by either team and I think it seals the deal They took advantage of opportunities and we didn't. And btw, they do have a pretty good D. But I still think we're better on both sides of the ball. It was LSU's night, but I don't think they coached circles around our staff.

 

[subherbanite]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

I agree with you 100%. What good would it have done to punt in those situations?? Our D played like MEN all night. LSU scored 0 points after our misses... excluding OT. Poor field position is the only downfall. But we consequently drove the ball back to the 30-35 consistently. Play calling at that point changed. The delayed draw play was an epic fail all night. Ground and pound from under center was the preferred play call. It worked. I also noticed several people knocking the "Trent up the middle play". Hey... it works. Am I the only one who noticed 4, 5, 9, 10, 24 yard carries from a simple Ace formation and running the ball behind either Jones or Fluker. I'm not saying this was BAD COACHING. I just think we left a few out there.

I detest the pistol formation, everything is so slow developing from it. Every carry seems to start right in the middle of the formation and the RB has to get his momentum going quickly afterwards. And I finally saw A.J. make a pitch and we loss 5yds cause the LB shot straight in, we just couldn't get it done.

 

[bamajas]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

Our coach says himself, that when the call works out, you look like a genius, and when it doesn't, you look like a fool.

Nobody should/would have thought him a fool for giving it to Trent on the trick play drive or at least once in OT. Certain types of running plays were gashing their D...chances of TR having success were greater than a trick play or on the arm of a Soph QB. He's the one who has to sleep knowing the ball could have been in the best player on the field's hands more and knowing he put the ball on the foot of one of our biggest liabilities 2-3 too many times. Not putting it squarely on Coach, but he made those calls.

 

[Liger]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

I detest the pistol formation, everything is so slow developing from it. .

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[Bama Greg]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

agree about "dude with sprained ankle"
disagree about FGs, what did L.S.U. get out of them?


agree about TR up the middle but you're 8 games late on this one:wink:
50/50 on substitutions, depends on whose fault it REALLY was cause Hanks was involved with one of them.

disagree about FGs, what did L.S.U. get out of them?
REALLY, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF FIELD POSITION, POSSIBLY FOR A SHORTER FG,

 

[skippgriffin]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

BUT if we had made those FG's, and points being at such a premium, we'd be singing the praises of CNS and staff for knowing how to win this tight game.

^^ This is a very accurate assessment. Least we forget that Foster has made from that range before and made from 46 in this game.

 

[257WBY]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

Someone is getting about five mill. They can handle the criticism. You have the best back in the nation. Give it to him instead of a pass by your WR.

 

[skippgriffin]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

I detest the pistol formation, everything is so slow developing from it. Every carry seems to start right in the middle of the formation and the RB has to get his momentum going quickly afterwards. And I finally saw A.J. make a pitch and we loss 5yds cause the LB shot straight in, we just couldn't get it done.

LSU's speed blew up every play ran out of the pistol. It's so slow to develop they were all over TR as soon as he touched the ball.

 

[subherbanite]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

disagree about FGs, what did L.S.U. get out of them?
REALLY, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF FIELD POSITION, POSSIBLY FOR A SHORTER FG,

Yeah I've heard of it, and we overcame it all night:wink:

Check the link I gave and you'll see that field position had nothing to do with our problems. We drove on them all night and stalled at the 35-30yd line. We had all the chances in the world to make plays on THEIR end of the field and we didn't.

And is the "bolded caps" really necessary?

 

[Alasippi]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

Too many player mistakes in critical situations.

One of the best prepared defenses in the history of Alabama football and one of the best defensive performances.

They were EXTREMELY well coached. Yet a perfect first half ends up in a tie because of one blown assignment, by one player, not by our coaches.

Offensively we had several opportunities to make plays. Two or three times the PERFECT play call was called and one player didn't excecute, whether it be a misread by the QB, an inaccurate throw or a drop by the receiver.

Turnovers like interceptions. The coaches had our players in perfect position. We intercept and run the ball back to the five yard line.

Or would have except by one mistake by one player who blocked a guy in the back.

If you think about it LSU really didn't do anything at all or at least not very much all night either offensively or defensively.

Our coaches had the game plan mapped out to perfection. We just didn't execute and our players made more little mental errors than I've seen in quite a while.

As far as the missed field goals, in my opinion that showed Coach Saban's confidence in our defense.

My only questionable coaching call was having Maze in on the punt when he was hurt, because, in my opinion that was the biggest play of the game.

We catch that ball on the 40 and we win. It's that simple.

But then again, if Coach Saban asks Marquis, "Are you able to go?" and Marquis say's "Yes", then that's Marquis's fault and not Coach Saban's.

As a player, you have to think team first and if you can't go and be effective then you need to request that you not be in there.

There's a lot of variables that lost the game but I'm not buying the bad coaching angle.

If our players had made the plays our coaches put them into position to make we would have won.

There's a lot of football left to be played by a lot of teams.

If we take care of business from here on out there's a chance that we can still play for a national title.

So I'm forgetting this one and looking forward to Mississippi State. This game with LSU is in the books and can't be brought back by hammering the best coaching staff in college football.

Roll Tide!

sip

 

[Bama Greg]

Re: Anyone thinks "bad coaching" got us beat tonight, please step away from the keybo

I agree with you 100%. What good would it have done to punt in those situations?? Our D played like MEN all night. LSU scored 0 points after our misses... excluding OT. Poor field position is the only downfall. But we consequently drove the ball back to the 30-35 consistently. Play calling at that point changed. The delayed draw play was an epic fail all night. Ground and pound from under center was the preferred play call. It worked. I also noticed several people knocking the "Trent up the middle play". Hey... it works. Am I the only one who noticed 4, 5, 9, 10, 24 yard carries from a simple Ace formation and running the ball behind either Jones or Fluker. I'm not saying this was BAD COACHING. I just think we left a few out there.

That is what matters "field position", if we were in better field position, maybe, just maybe, the offensive playcalling would have been different.

I think we tried to get to cute in the playcalling, instead of playing the pure smashmouth football that got us there, we should have gotten the playmakers the ball in space, give LSwho credit, they got the victory, even though I think we served it to them on the silver platter. We shoulda, coulda won this game, just disappointed.