B1G Football & Fall 2020 Sports Postponed to Spring 2021

[81usaf92]

Heard on the radio this morning that the Big Ten commissioner said that Nebraska was free to seek to play football this fall elsewhere. And that they would not be invited back to the Big Ten if they did so.

Mad times we are living in. Mad.

I love it. Either Nebraska has to bow down to the Orange Cow or go independent. Nebraska’s arrogance and incompetence is finally catching up to them.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

If there is no college football, we will see. Americans are fiending for their football fix.

That will probably happen to a point - maybe. I guess it depends.

Part of that won't have anything to do with football so much as it does "I've had nothing but the same reruns to watch since March!"

 

[TideEngineer08]

I love it. Either Nebraska has to bow down to the Orange Cow or go independent. Nebraska’s arrogance and incompetence is finally catching up to them.

Indeed I had the same thoughts. They are going to have to swallow a lot of pride either way they go.

 

[Crimson1967]

I agree the NFL will benefit big time with no college football. Right now a fan (without a special package like Sunday Ticket) has access to six games a week. They can see four on Sunday (albeit with channel flipping for the two games that air at the same time) and one on Thursday and Monday. Saturday games would give fans access to ten games a week, assuming they keep Thursday (which players hate) and have the same setup on Saturday they do on Sunday.

 

[Guido]

I'll let you research all the names of the college presidents, AD's, coaches, and other PTB - if that's your thing.

them, those people, i hear this a lot, but nobody ever has a name. I don't dispute you but i just like names and facts when i make a judgement. i'm strange that way

 

[NationalTitles18]

them, those people, i hear this a lot, but nobody ever has a name. I don't dispute you but i just like names and facts when i make a judgement. i'm strange that way

Good deal. Go get the names. No one is stopping you.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

The Southwestern Conference was in deep trouble and Arkansas ran for cover and jumped into the SEC in the early 1990's.

That's not quite how it happened.

First, the Big Ten decided they wanted to add Pennsylvania (a rather large state with a bunch of football fanatics) to their conference and invited Penn State. That triggered Notre Dame to negotiate the famous NBC contract to start in 1991. Those two dominoes freaked out the SEC - which was already considering expanding as it was. At the May 1990 meetings, they came up with pretty much a shopping list of teams they wanted - Arkansas, Texas, ATM, Miami, FSU, and South Carolina. The last 3 were independents, but the first 3 were in the old SWC.

Nebraska, Syracuse, and Missouri all notified the B1G they wanted aboard. This was in 1990! The B1G put a moratorium on expansion and were left with 11 teams.

Bear something else in mind: the SWC was LITERALLY NOTHING but:
a) the state of Texas schools
b) Arkansas

Nobody outside the borders of those two states gave a damn about that conference save for the folks who moved out of state to find work.

What the SEC did in May of 1990 was not all that different from a powerful mobster deciding he wanted something that someone else had, and so he was going to take it. (Except, of course, this was legal and didn't involve criminal activity). Frank Broyles was clear - joining the SEC was the best thing Arkansas ever did, particularly since it brought the riches of the SECCG. And Texas and ATM probably would have come then except for the politics in the state basically rose up and told them they weren't able to do it.


I'm not denying the SWC - with their bought players and scandal - wasn't in trouble. But the SWC was never a big player in the first place. I realize this is news to the people among whom I live here - but nobody in rural Alabama ever gave a damn about Rice unless it was Minute Rice.

The formation of the Big 12 was still a few years away. I have often wondered if Arkansas has later wished they would have just held off a little longer on the decision to join the SEC. 4 more years and they could have been in the Big 12.

No, they didn't.

Had Arkansas stayed in the Big 12, they would have eventually bolted for the same reason Nebraska did. Texas basically shows up and demands a huge chunk of change for their participation. What's funny is that the Big 12 was really nothing more than a rearguard action to prevent the implosion of the four Texas schools that joined the old Big Eight. Baylor was included because Texas Governor Ann Richards was a Baylor graduate.

 

[TideEngineer08]

The SWC champion had lost something like 8 straight Cotton Bowls before they folded after the 1995 season. Texas A&M was undefeated in 1992, and I don't think they were considered for a share of the NC at all. They were #4 going into the Cotton Bowl, and #5 Notre Dame beat them 28-3.

If the old Big 8 was the "big 2 and little 6" then the SWC conference was "Texas and the other 7." Sure, A&M had a good run under Slocum, but never did anything on the national stage. SMU cheated up a storm, but again, did nothing on the national stage. Houston generated headlines by running up obscene scores on massively over matched teams with the run and shoot. But only Texas ever did anything on a national scale and even that was about as rare as Georgia or Michigan.

Texas football is huge in Texas, generates a ton of money, but rarely does anything of note outside the state. I've said it before but Oklahoma has done more with Texas talent than Texas has ever been able to do.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

The SWC champion had lost something like 8 straight Cotton Bowls before they folded after the 1995 season.

You're close. Seven in a row, eight of nine, ten of 12.

Texas A&M was undefeated in 1992, and I don't think they were considered for a share of the NC at all. They were #4 going into the Cotton Bowl, and #5 Notre Dame beat them 28-3.

You just triggered a memory for me.

It was on the night of October 31, 1992 on ESPN that we first heard the name Corky Simpson. All of a sudden they got all hot and bothered about his lone first-place vote in the AP poll. They even reached out to him and inquired. Simpson was quoting as saying, "Alabama is the best football team in the country." After noting we were undefeated, they put us in a group of teams that were still undefeated and obviously nobodies (other than Miami and Washington).

In the poll published November 10, ATM was #4 in the country - behind Miami, Alabama, and Michigan, who had a tie on their record. The following week was one of the most hilarious post-game shows I ever saw. Alabama survived Mississippi State, which brought down a lot of criticism. But Michigan then clinched the Rose Bowl with a 40-yard field goal that tied the game on the final play in Ann Arbor - perhaps the only time in history a team's hometown fans booed a game that didn't end with a loss and gave a team a prestigious bowl trip. ATM had survived a 38-30 win two nights earlier against mediocre 4-7 Houston. And that was the night Beano Cook and Lee Corso both dropped nuclear bombs on college football.

Cook was asked about the whole thing, and he ran Michigan into the ground. He pointed out that with one tie only and no losses and a #3 ranking, they were still in the hunt up until they played for the tie. Then Corso - the former Indiana coach - jumped in and said Michigan did the right thing, that when you have a chance in the Big Ten to go to the Rose Bowl, you do whatever is necessary to go. Cook came back at him by saying something like "Well, if it was Indiana or someone who doesn't go that often then I'd agree, but Michigan has been to the Rose Bowl dozens of times." Corso went back with how the Rose Bowl is the expectation, and Cook finished it off with, "That's why the Big Ten is a mediocre conference - because they think the Rose Bowl is the Holy Grail."

Then it was Corso's turn to drop his - when they got to their own personal rankings for the week. Corso put Miami at 1 and Alabama at 2 - but then he put Florida State at 3, despite the Noles losing. Asked about ATM being undefeated, Corso basically said that they weren't very good and played an easy schedule.

When the new rankings came out on Tuesday, all hell broke loose in College Station - and Corso got the blame for it. Granted, the Aggies were only 3 points behind in the poll but still. They then spent all their time after the regular season whining about getting shut out of the title picture. Naturally, Notre Dame plowed them.

If the old Big 8 was the "big 2 and little 6" then the SWC conference was "Texas and the other 7." Sure, A&M had a good run under Slocum, but never did anything on the national stage.

All correct.

SMU cheated up a storm, but again, did nothing on the national stage.

Not after the death penalty, but they lost the 1982 national title in controversial fashion. They wound up number two. Who should be shot? The two idiots who voted Nebraska #1 over Penn State after they'd lost to them. (FTR, Penn State deserved it).

Houston generated headlines by running up obscene scores on massively over matched teams with the run and shoot. But only Texas ever did anything on a national scale and even that was about as rare as Georgia or Michigan.

Texas football is huge in Texas, generates a ton of money, but rarely does anything of note outside the state. I've said it before but Oklahoma has done more with Texas talent than Texas has ever been able to do.

All correct.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I love the memory of Cook and Corso. I miss those days sometimes. No doubt the Nick Saban era has been far better than what we had during the 1990s, but I guess its something about childhood memories. It seemed so much more fun back then. When I'm watching old games on Youtube, I find myself watching those 1990s games more than anything else.

 

[NationalTitles18]

You're close. Seven in a row, eight of nine, ten of 12.



You just triggered a memory for me.

It was on the night of October 31, 1992 on ESPN that we first heard the name Corky Simpson. All of a sudden they got all hot and bothered about his lone first-place vote in the AP poll. They even reached out to him and inquired. Simpson was quoting as saying, "Alabama is the best football team in the country." After noting we were undefeated, they put us in a group of teams that were still undefeated and obviously nobodies (other than Miami and Washington).

In the poll published November 10, ATM was #4 in the country - behind Miami, Alabama, and Michigan, who had a tie on their record. The following week was one of the most hilarious post-game shows I ever saw. Alabama survived Mississippi State, which brought down a lot of criticism. But Michigan then clinched the Rose Bowl with a 40-yard field goal that tied the game on the final play in Ann Arbor - perhaps the only time in history a team's hometown fans booed a game that didn't end with a loss and gave a team a prestigious bowl trip. ATM had survived a 38-30 win two nights earlier against mediocre 4-7 Houston. And that was the night Beano Cook and Lee Corso both dropped nuclear bombs on college football.

Cook was asked about the whole thing, and he ran Michigan into the ground. He pointed out that with one tie only and no losses and a #3 ranking, they were still in the hunt up until they played for the tie. Then Corso - the former Indiana coach - jumped in and said Michigan did the right thing, that when you have a chance in the Big Ten to go to the Rose Bowl, you do whatever is necessary to go. Cook came back at him by saying something like "Well, if it was Indiana or someone who doesn't go that often then I'd agree, but Michigan has been to the Rose Bowl dozens of times." Corso went back with how the Rose Bowl is the expectation, and Cook finished it off with, "That's why the Big Ten is a mediocre conference - because they think the Rose Bowl is the Holy Grail."

Then it was Corso's turn to drop his - when they got to their own personal rankings for the week. Corso put Miami at 1 and Alabama at 2 - but then he put Florida State at 3, despite the Noles losing. Asked about ATM being undefeated, Corso basically said that they weren't very good and played an easy schedule.

When the new rankings came out on Tuesday, all hell broke loose in College Station - and Corso got the blame for it. Granted, the Aggies were only 3 points behind in the poll but still. They then spent all their time after the regular season whining about getting shut out of the title picture. Naturally, Notre Dame plowed them.






All correct.




Not after the death penalty, but they lost the 1982 national title in controversial fashion. They wound up number two. Who should be shot? The two idiots who voted Nebraska #1 over Penn State after they'd lost to them. (FTR, Penn State deserved it).



All correct.

I actually remember a bit of that conversation.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1294654256763609090

With this new huge, BIG TEN definitely look like the loser of the game at the moment. hopefully, they will backtrack and give this fall a shot.