Bad QB play affected many units tonight

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I saw an OL that held out the Texas defense like a screen door holds out water. Plus the multiple poor snaps. And yes, I saw two interceptions and two more passes that should have been intercepted. Not Milroe's or the OL's best day.

But I can't shake the notion that Milroe is another Cam Newton once he gets the passing game sorted out. Probably an unpopular opinion.... At any rate, I'd start Milroe next week and see if he's learned anything from yesterday. Next week would be his... what... third start?
I learned with Jalen Hurts to never say never, but I was saying that about Jalen as a true freshman and sophomore. Milroe is already a 3rd year player.

So yeah, he could eventually turn the corner, but Bama is not the place to learn on the job, so to speak.
 
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It's ridiculous to think or suggest Milroe was THE problem on offense last night. Which is Exactly what several here continue to do. The offensive line was a complete clown show and to not acknowledge that fact is definitely making their mind up that milroe is going to be the problem, no matter what.
Agree to disagree.. but don’t lump me with other people. Repeating what you said doesn’t make it so. I believed in Milroe and had hope, that was the worst qb play we’ve had in 10 years from a 3rd year guy. You are trying to speak other people minds without even knowing my thinking or countering anything that I said. The qb didn’t help the offense line, simple. His short/medium passing game is a joke with anticipation, placement, timing. No fear in the defense with his arm. Nowhere did I say the O line didn’t play bad, but yet you are speaking for me. The qb played worse than the line played bad. Was not hard to see. Our offensive coordinator had his hands his head, Saban was throwing his hands up while Milroe throws an open 15 yard out into the ground, while he had 0 pressure. Milroe WAS the problem on offense. You are trying to show loyalty, which is fine. But you are wrong here.
 
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Agree to disagree but I have no idea what game you watched.

Agree to disagree.. but don’t lump me with other people. Repeating what you said doesn’t make it so. I believed in Milroe and had hope, that was the worst qb play we’ve had in 10 years from a 3rd year guy. You are trying to speak other people minds without even knowing my thinking or countering anything that I said. The qb didn’t help the offense line, simple. His short/medium passing game is a joke with anticipation, placement, timing. No fear in the defense with his arm. Nowhere did I say the O line didn’t play bad, but yet you are speaking for me. The qb played worse than the line played bad. Was not hard to see. Our offensive coordinator had his hands his head, Saban was throwing his hands up while Milroe throws an open 15 yard out into the ground, while he had 0 pressure. Milroe WAS the problem on offense. You are trying to show loyalty, which is fine. But you are wrong here.
 

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I saw an OL that held out the Texas defense like a screen door holds out water. Plus the multiple poor snaps. And yes, I saw two interceptions and two more passes that should have been intercepted. Not Milroe's or the OL's best day.

But I can't shake the notion that Milroe is another Cam Newton once he gets the passing game sorted out. Probably an unpopular opinion.... At any rate, I'd start Milroe next week and see if he's learned anything from yesterday. Next week would be his... what... third start?
He could improve, but we don't have the luxury of waiting on him to get it together. I've seen enough. Next man up. If the other guys fail, then we can revisit Milroe down the line, but it's time to give someone else a shot. Our goal of winning a National Championship is still very much in reach, but we must run the table.

I find it difficult to believe, with all our heralded QB recruits, that we dont have at least one guy that we can win with. I just don't believe that guy is Milroe.
 
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I think a QB change def should have been made. But how our OL was getting owned I l'm not sure how much better we'd done because we'd lost a lot of mobility from Milroe to Buchner and the Sacks may have gone from 5 to 10. But who knows, the game sucked all the way around
I think if Milroe had played for Texas and Ewers played for Bama Saturday night, Texas would have still won. It's probably a closer game, but still same outcome. Ewers would have completed more passes, some different routes, maybe opening up the run game some more, but he would have been sacked about 10 times and possible broken in half! Meanwhile, Milroe would have had a repeat of the MTSU game.

Fact is, WR's had trouble getting space, there was no time to throw, and the RB's began to have no running lanes as the game progressed. And after the first pick, which was pretty well disguised, Milroe got rattled. He did recover to make some plays, but then my gosh the penalties, and then the defense went to sleep! Plenty of blame to spread around. Also fact, Texas us just a much better team right now.
 

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A QB that can scramble and turn a broken play into positive yardage is kinda the "new prototypical" QB (see Jalen Hurts/Patrick Mahomes, etc.).

But those guys can also throw the football down the field and move the chains. Their feet make them dangerous ONLY because their passing HAS TO BE RESPECTED.
Totally agree. Unfortunately JM made a habit of bailing and as a result it took the offense way off script and schedule. Why bother calling plays. I think the defense also realized it and tured up the heat on him.
I kept thinking about how Bryce was a great runner too, but his dad coached him to stay in the pocket. I think that helped Bryce see the field better. Too bad JM never got that lesson.
 

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If Milroe wants to continue his football playing career, he needs to change positions. I don't know how good his hands are but he would deadly in the slot. Give him a jet sweep. He is too athletic for us not to find some way to utilize him.

We had a package, and ran it a couple of times, where we had Tua and Jalen on the field at the same time. Maybe some wing-T concepts with a passing halfback.
I have agreed with this already, but I think he should be a running back. Then you could also use him for trick plays passing down field without a rush.
 
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I learned with Jalen Hurts to never say never, but I was saying that about Jalen as a true freshman and sophomore. Milroe is already a 3rd year player.

So yeah, he could eventually turn the corner, but Bama is not the place to learn on the job, so to speak.
Hurts kept getting better every year. The biggest problem was the guy who was right behind him was far advanced at being a quarterback.

Milroe hasn’t improved in the areas he needs to. A 3rd year player staring down a receiver isn’t a sign of a guy that has been seeking out the outside help he needs to take his game to the next level. To use a baseball analogy… Milroe is basically the guy who looks great in his uniform and when he connects with the ball it goes a long ways. But with that you are going to have to take the strike outs and low batting average.

Look it’s possible he turns the corner somewhere or the team just getting better and we make a run, but its a tough thing to learn something that everyone should have learned in their first two offseasons during a season. I can’t stress this enough, I don’t know if anyone on the depth chart is better or could have done better vs Texas than Milroe. But what I do know is that we have 3 guys that can read the field and go through progressions than Milroe. Because the Texas performance was what everyone who has went to the scrimmages saw in Milroe.
 

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To gloss over Milroe’s level of play is being shortsighted. Sure there were issues with the OL. But the same reasoning applies to Dalcourt as it does for Milroe. They have been there long enough if they were going to get the job done they would be executing at a higher level by now. ( I’ll give Protor some leeway for a while. )I speak up because I love Alabama football not as some spoiled football fan. I pulled hard for Milroe to complete every pass. And I pulled hard for Dalcourt to make every block Saurday night. But when it gets to the point other teams are exploiting them and hurting the team, then it’s time to go a different direction.
 

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I can’t stress this enough, I don’t know if anyone on the depth chart is better or could have done better vs Texas than Milroe. But what I do know is that we have 3 guys that can read the field and go through progressions than Milroe. Because the Texas performance was what everyone who has went to the scrimmages saw in Milroe.
This makes me want to beat my head against the wall!

Apparently the coaching staff values his long ball (the homerun shot to use the baseball term) and his legs MORE THAN everything else a QB is supposed to do!!!

I just can't get my head around that if we have 3 other guys who can do most of those things.

But the image of CTR in the press box with his hands on his head is the most significant image of this short season so far!
 

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It's ridiculous to think or suggest Milroe was THE problem on offense last night. Which is Exactly what several here continue to do. The offensive line was a complete clown show and to not acknowledge that fact is definitely making their mind up that milroe is going to be the problem, no matter what.
Respect you and your football knowledge, but almost everybody I'm seeing giving input is acknowledging there were other problems too BUT I do think JM is the most significant, serious problem.

As painful as it might be, I'm planning to rewatch the game and verify this, but I think many of the time it looks like the OL whiffed it was because JM's inability to climb the pocket OR when he was in the pocket he bailed too early and got tackled for a loss/sack.

IOW, while the OL struggled at times, I think JM made them look even worse.
 

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This makes me want to beat my head against the wall!

Apparently the coaching staff values his long ball (the homerun shot to use the baseball term) and his legs MORE THAN everything else a QB is supposed to do!!!

I just can't get my head around that if we have 3 other guys who can do most of those things.

But the image of CTR in the press box with his hands on his head is the most significant image of this short season so far!
Here is the thing. Mac Jones faced basically a comparable situation yesterday vs the Eagles in which his offensive line is a mishmash of varying talent going against a very dominant defensive front. Mac also doesn’t nearly have the receivers that Milroe does. So why are the Eagles sucking wind in the 4th while Texas’s defense is excited to get on the field in the 4th? Because Mac is getting rid of the ball and making quick reads. If your only game is the homerun and to run then people are going to play zone all day long until you prove you can hit the underneath.

If I’m Kiffin then I’m subjecting Golding to 2 weeks of the Clockwork Orange torture but with a never ending loop of the Dick Lebeau zone blitz and the Texas defense so he won’t get the urge to try to call an overcomplicated scheme
 

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Respect you and your football knowledge, but almost everybody I'm seeing giving input is acknowledging there were other problems too BUT I do think JM is the most significant, serious problem.

As painful as it might be, I'm planning to rewatch the game and verify this, but I think many of the time it looks like the OL whiffed it was because JM's inability to climb the pocket OR when he was in the pocket he bailed too early and got tackled for a loss/sack.

IOW, while the OL struggled at times, I think JM made them look even worse.
Agreed that the QB moved out of the pocket at times and was tackled when he had been in a position to continue to scan the field looking for an open receiver. This continuous rabbit package will only result in more losses. He either needs to learn to avoid the rush while remaining in the pocket or be replaced by one of the other QB's. Great athleticism is not required to play QB, but the ability to use the skills of the players around you is absolutely critical. The split screen of Rees talking to Milroe that showed Rees with his head in his hands speaks volumes. The frustration he was feeling was bubbling over at that moment.
 

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Saban had the balls to change QBs in a national championship game but, couldn't pull the trigger in game 2 of the season. That HR TD in the 3rd probably set this team back a few weeks. Milroe will look fine this week and Simpson and Buchner will only get mop up duty. If Milroe starts against Ole Miss, I expect a similar struggle like Texas. Will Saban have the balls to pull him next time?

Without that TD in the 3rd, Milroe gets pulled and the QB competition heats up this week. Maybe have a new started for Ole Miss. Now though, Saban probably sticks with Milroe a little longer.
 
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Saban had the balls to change QBs in a national championship game but, couldn't pull the trigger in game 2 of the season. That HR TD in the 3rd probably set this team back a few weeks. Milroe will look fine this week and Simpson and Buchner will only get mop up duty. If Milroe starts against Ole Miss, I expect a similar struggle like Texas. Will Saban have the balls to pull him next time?

Without that TD in the 3rd, Milroe gets pulled and the QB competition heats up this week. Maybe have a new started for Ole Miss. Now though, Saban probably sticks with Milroe a little longer.
Agree that the homerun ball probably kept him from yanking JM. I think CNS even alluded to such.

However, remember the only reason he pulled Jalen and went with Tua against Georgia in 2017 NCG is because there was a reported mutiny at the half.

I honestly thought CNS would give JM one more drive at the start of the second half and if unsuccessful (which it was) then we'd see what Buckner could offer. But I guess I should have known better with CNS's track record.
 

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It has to be hard to replace someone with Milroe's potential. After the coaching staff reviews the game tapes they have to make a decision. They may see something we fans missed, but the decision needs to be made with an eye toward taking the team into hostile atmospheres later this year and having a QB who can perform in those environments. All one needs to do is to think about Milroe trying to execute the offense with 100.000 aggies screaming at him.
 
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Respect you and your football knowledge, but almost everybody I'm seeing giving input is acknowledging there were other problems too BUT I do think JM is the most significant, serious problem.

As painful as it might be, I'm planning to rewatch the game and verify this, but I think many of the time it looks like the OL whiffed it was because JM's inability to climb the pocket OR when he was in the pocket he bailed too early and got tackled for a loss/sack.

IOW, while the OL struggled at times, I think JM made them look even worse.
It's about three to four posters, not the entire congregation. The rest, though varying in degrees, have a more objective and realistic understanding of what went wrong Saturday night.
 

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I think if Milroe had played for Texas and Ewers played for Bama Saturday night, Texas would have still won. It's probably a closer game, but still same outcome. Ewers would have completed more passes, some different routes, maybe opening up the run game some more, but he would have been sacked about 10 times and possible broken in half! Meanwhile, Milroe would have had a repeat of the MTSU game.

Fact is, WR's had trouble getting space, there was no time to throw, and the RB's began to have no running lanes as the game progressed. And after the first pick, which was pretty well disguised, Milroe got rattled. He did recover to make some plays, but then my gosh the penalties, and then the defense went to sleep! Plenty of blame to spread around. Also fact, Texas us just a much better team right now.
Yeah, I think there were too many breakdowns going back and forth between the OL and Milroe that there was little opportunity to get the offense in sync. It's almost like a self feeding fire, when the OL did it's job Milroe's success rate was at best 50/50, which isn't good. Then, if it wasn't Milroe being at fault it was the OL getting blown up too many times between successful blocking plays. The entire thing was a stage 5 crap show of biblical proportions.
 

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As much as it pains me to say this and as much as i dislike his show, maybe Finebaum is more in touch with what's going on in Tucscaloosa that we would like to admit. The ESPN gurus all predicting us to win the N.C and Finebaum screaming all summer the program is in decline and we have no QB. Of course if you say it for long enough it is eventually bound to come true so...
 

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