Bama getting no respect

[DzynKingRTR]

That was mostly because people knew the playoffs would never stop expanding once they started. It seems a lot of people don't understand what makes college football great. Here's a hint...it aint the postseason.

these last 2 weeks should prove to the idiots that the regular season matters. If we had 12 teams this year, would anyone on this board or the any college football fan even care about Florida/Florida State or any PAC2 games?

 

[colbysullivan]

Wait so let me ask this, do some of you think Alabama shouldn’t be in the playoffs this year?

The committee certainly doesn’t…

 

[colbysullivan]

If I'm not mistaken, I believe it is not the first 4 with a bye. It's the top 4 highest ranked conference champs. So theoretically, you could have a #15 ranked team with a bye week going into the playoffs. The whole 12 team structure has been jacked up as much as possible.

The top 4 seeds are reserved for the 4 highest ranked conference champions. Those teams get a bye. It’s asinine

 

[MetaZeus]

The top 4 seeds are reserved for the 4 highest ranked conference champions. Those teams get a bye. It’s asinine

Why they couldn't just go with "top 12 teams make the playoffs" just blows my mind lol. Guess they're trying their best to keep the SEC from grabbing 4-5 top 12 spots.

 

[colbysullivan]

Why they couldn't just go with "top 12 teams make the playoffs" just blows my mind lol. Guess they're trying their best to keep the SEC from grabbing 4-5 top 12 spots.

Because they’re greedy asshats

 

[BamaMoon]

If I'm not mistaken, I believe it is not the first 4 with a bye. It's the top 4 highest ranked conference champs. So theoretically, you could have a #15 ranked team with a bye week going into the playoffs. The whole 12 team structure has been jacked up as much as possible.

I think you might be right. But the point still remains a two loss team will likely not threaten the final four. It would about be as rare as a 2 loss LSU team getting into the old BCS.

 

[RammerJammer14]

I was certainly not one who thinks we deserved to play for the national title last year. I will say that, regardless of if Alabama was in or not last year, the committee keeping TCU in and not dropping them a single spot after they lost their last game was…..original. But man, reading some of ya’lls posts, I wouldn’t be surprised to see y’all argue that Nick Saban should have never played for a national championship ever at Alabama….

 

[BamaMoon]

Why they couldn't just go with "top 12 teams make the playoffs" just blows my mind lol. Guess they're trying their best to keep the SEC from grabbing 4-5 top 12 spots.

It may expose some of the conference champions eventually and they could change it. Even so, the SEC will still get it's top 3-4 teams in every year. The cream will rise to the top as it always does.

 

[MetaZeus]

I think you might be right. But the point still remains a two loss team will likely not threaten the final four. It would about be as rare as a 2 loss LSU team getting into the old BCS.

Idk man, 2 loss Bama was a threat to ALL the top 4 minus MAYBE Georgia. But that was with a Heisman winning QB... so odds are that a 2 loss team won't threaten the top 6, but they MAY.

 

[MetaZeus]

I was certainly not one who thinks we deserved to play for the national title last year. I will say that, regardless of if Alabama was in or not last year, the committee keeping TCU in and not dropping them a single spot after they lost their last game was…..original. But man, reading some of ya’lls posts, I wouldn’t be surprised to see y’all argue that Nick Saban should have never played for a national championship ever at Alabama….

Yeah, seems to be a ton of pessimists here. Some are hyper-realists.

 

[cbi1972]

I was certainly not one who thinks we deserved to play for the national title last year. I will say that, regardless of if Alabama was in or not last year, the committee keeping TCU in and not dropping them a single spot after they lost their last game was…..original. But man, reading some of ya’lls posts, I wouldn’t be surprised to see y’all argue that Nick Saban should have never played for a national championship ever at Alabama….

The 2022 results got us two new coordinators and a brighter future. A 2-loss team has no business claiming they deserve a chance to play for a championship. I guess I was away from the board last year because I would have been embarrassed by arguments that Alabama deserved more than they got.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Because their bylaws specifically state they are supposed to get the 4 best teams. Last year was the first year that didn't happen. It might happen again this year.

No, they do not.

NOWHERE - despite fans bleating on and on about this cliche - does it say that. I've posted this several times, but since I'm a firm believer in making a point over and over and over again, I'll do it again.

This is from their website:

1) Ranking football teams is an art, not a science.
This gives them an out on the head to head and is spot on.

2) In any ranking system, perfection or consensus is not possible
Also correct.

For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will inevitably need to select the four best teams from among several with legitimate claims to participate.


Did Alabama have any legitimate claim to participate last year?
- didn't win the division
- didn't win the conference
- played only 4 teams ranked in the final poll
- lost to 2 of them
- beat one of them by a single point when their QB missed 3 quarters
- barely beat the worst team in the SEC at home

Now, if I put ANY OTHER TEAM out there as described above NOT ONE POSTER here would be advocating for their inclusion.

What's even funnier is all the crying about, "the committee is against us because head to head" while IGNORING THE FACT ALABAMA WAS RANKED AHEAD OF TENNESSEE DESPITE THE HEAD TO HEAD LAST YEAR!!!!!

And what were we told by posters here?
"Yeah, because Tennessee got blown out by S Carolina!"
You see, somehow if a team gets blown out by ANOTHER team, it miraculously turns your loss to a team into a win. (Nobody wants to be quick to bring out, "Alabama couldn't even beat a team that 8-5 South Carolina blew off the field")

A fair point, but Texas did NOT get blown out by Oklahoma...and the committee has shown over and over they WILL overlook a head to head result (2016 Ohio State lost to Penn St, for example).

We can hem and haw and scream and claim "injustice", but the FACT is that we NEVER met the "legitimate claim to participate" portion that the "four best teams" crowd ignores.

There was no "injustice" last year and there was no "joke of a committee."

TCU played 3 teams (one twice) in that final CFP top 25 and went 2-1.
Alabama played 4 and went 2-2.
One of those was the same foe, and TCU won by more points.
TCU played in their conference title game, Alabama didn't.

Those are the objective data.
The subjective data is what is prominent in every criticism leveled against the committee - "but who would win if Alabama played TCU" is not how it's done.

And has NEVER been how it's done in any poll ever.
Not the AP, not the UPI, and definitely not the BCS.

 

[MetaZeus]

The 2022 results got us two new coordinators and a brighter future. A 2-loss team has no business claiming they deserve a chance to play for a championship. I guess I was away from the board last year because I would have been embarrassed by arguments that Alabama deserved more than they got.

I, along with many others, would just like the committee to clearly outline what they consider to be the guidelines when determining their 4 "best" teams at the first ranking. That would help clear up a TON of confusion and outrage. And it would allow the committee to value different things year-by-year instead of having different criteria on a team-by-team basis that makes no sense and leaves a LOT of ambiguity out there.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I was certainly not one who thinks we deserved to play for the national title last year. I will say that, regardless of if Alabama was in or not last year, the committee keeping TCU in and not dropping them a single spot after they lost their last game was…..original.

That was the most legit point made about it all.
And that was done solely to prevent a semi-final rematch of Michigan and Ohio State.
They could have come right out and said it, and it would have actually cooled some anger.

But man, reading some of ya’lls posts, I wouldn’t be surprised to see y’all argue that Nick Saban should have never played for a national championship ever at Alabama….

Why?

This goes two ways.

Saban hired those idiots who were coaching our offense and defense last year when we lost LARGELY because of those guys. Saying, "He made some lousy choices for coaches" in one period of time doesn't magically erase what he did previously.

 

[colbysullivan]

No, they do not.

NOWHERE - despite fans bleating on and on about this cliche - does it say that. I've posted this several times, but since I'm a firm believer in making a point over and over and over again, I'll do it again.

This is from their website:

1) Ranking football teams is an art, not a science.
This gives them an out on the head to head and is spot on.

2) In any ranking system, perfection or consensus is not possible
Also correct.

For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will inevitably need to select the four best teams from among several with legitimate claims to participate.


Did Alabama have any legitimate claim to participate last year?
- didn't win the division
- didn't win the conference
- played only 4 teams ranked in the final poll
- lost to 2 of them
- beat one of them by a single point when their QB missed 3 quarters
- barely beat the worst team in the SEC at home

Now, if I put ANY OTHER TEAM out there as described above NOT ONE POSTER here would be advocating for their inclusion.

What's even funnier is all the crying about, "the committee is against us because head to head" while IGNORING THE FACT ALABAMA WAS RANKED AHEAD OF TENNESSEE DESPITE THE HEAD TO HEAD LAST YEAR!!!!!

And what were we told by posters here?
"Yeah, because Tennessee got blown out by S Carolina!"
You see, somehow if a team gets blown out by ANOTHER team, it miraculously turns your loss to a team into a win. (Nobody wants to be quick to bring out, "Alabama couldn't even beat a team that 8-5 South Carolina blew off the field")

A fair point, but Texas did NOT get blown out by Oklahoma...and the committee has shown over and over they WILL overlook a head to head result (2016 Ohio State lost to Penn St, for example).

We can hem and haw and scream and claim "injustice", but the FACT is that we NEVER met the "legitimate claim to participate" portion that the "four best teams" crowd ignores.

There was no "injustice" last year and there was no "joke of a committee."

TCU played 3 teams (one twice) in that final CFP top 25 and went 2-1.
Alabama played 4 and went 2-2.
One of those was the same foe, and TCU won by more points.
TCU played in their conference title game, Alabama didn't.

Those are the objective data.
The subjective data is what is prominent in every criticism leveled against the committee - "but who would win if Alabama played TCU" is not how it's done.

And has NEVER been how it's done in any poll ever.
Not the AP, not the UPI, and definitely not the BCS.

Dude stop. The website literally says the four best teams. Just stop. We’re done.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I, along with many others, would just like the committee to clearly outline what they consider to be the guidelines when determining their 4 "best" teams at the first ranking. That would help clear up a TON of confusion and outrage. And it would allow the committee to value different things year-by-year instead of having different criteria on a team-by-team basis that makes no sense and leaves a LOT of ambiguity out there.

1) Could we drop the "four best teams" cliche? It doesn't say that.
2) You guys keep demanding SCIENCE that doesn't exist for rankings that require the input of art AND science, subjectivity and objectivity.


Here's what I'd say if I was on the committee:

"If you're a Power 5 team, win your games, and you're (probably) in. Otherwise, we have to talk about it - and that's not good for any of you"

 

[cbi1972]

Dude stop. The website literally says the four best teams. Just stop. We’re done.

This is disingenuous and willfully biased

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Dude stop. The website literally says the four best teams.

I linked the quote on the website.

Is clicking links not something your computer can do???

I'll gladly make the point again:
the four best teams from among several with legitimate claims to participate.

Not "four best teams."

Just stop. We’re done.

Yes and since you didn't refute my argument - you just got mad and repeated the debunked claim you made - you just lost the argument.

but peace to you. This is to be enjoyed, not frustrate you.

 

[MetaZeus]

No, they do not.

NOWHERE - despite fans bleating on and on about this cliche - does it say that. I've posted this several times, but since I'm a firm believer in making a point over and over and over again, I'll do it again.

I'd caution being too confident in your response. This is ALSO from their website.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I'd caution being too confident in your response. This is ALSO from their website.

See next post.