Bama getting no respect

CrimsonNagus

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Okay, I miss remembered thinking Oregon was above Bama. It still didn’t make much sense to me. Oregon has a cupcake schedule, seems like their SOR should be much lower, same for FSU.

In that resume rankings, what are the last 2 columns; GC and AVGWP? I’m on my phone so I can’t hover my “cursor” over them to see if a description pops up.
 
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B1GTide

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Okay, I miss remembered thinking Oregon was above Bama. It still didn’t make much sense to me. Oregon has a cupcake schedule, seems like their SOR should be much lower, same for FSU.
It is harder to go undefeated against even a weak schedule than you might think. FSU is only ranked so high in SOR because they have done that - so far.
 

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Okay, I miss remembered thinking Oregon was above Bama. It still didn’t make much sense to me. Oregon has a cupcake schedule, seems like their SOR should be much lower, same for FSU.

In that resume rankings, what are the last 2 columns; GC and AVGWP? I’m on my phone so I can’t hover my “cursor” over them to see if a description pops up.
GC reflects chance that an average Top 25 team would control games from start to end the way this team did, given the schedule.

AVGWP is in-game win probability rank adjusted for chance that an average FBS team would control games from start to end the way this team did, given the schedule.
 

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I think UW moving up had more to do with what they did than moving FSU down. They didn’t push FSU down due to losing their QB. One could even make a case that UW should be above UM too.

I think UW deserves that ranking right now. Oregon however does not.
 
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From Stewart Mandel's most recent mailbag column:


What does the committee do with the fourth Playoff spot if we end the season like this?

OSU/Michigan — 13-0 (Big Ten champ)
Washington — 13-0 (Pac 12 champ)
Florida State — 13-0 (ACC champ)
Texas — 12-1 (Big 12 champ)
Alabama — 12-1 (SEC champ, over Georgia in SEC title game)
Georgia — 12-1 (non-champion) — Jeff R.


I’m going to take this opportunity to recant an earlier position of mine. I was previously adamant there was no way the committee could say with a straight face it’s taking Alabama over Texas, even if that meant leaving out the SEC champ. But I didn’t think that through. If Alabama ends what would by then be a 30-game winning streak for Georgia to finish as a 12-1 SEC champion, the committee would elevate the Tide high enough to plausibly say, “Well, they weren’t close enough to invoke the tiebreaker.”

I bet it would be:

1) 13-0 Ohio State/Michigan winner

2) 12-1 Alabama

3) 13-0 Washington

4) 13-0 Florida State

5) 12-1 Georgia

6) 12-1 Texas

Of course, people would freak out, but Alabama would hold wins over teams currently ranked No. 1 (Georgia), No. 12 (Ole Miss), No. 14 (LSU) and No. 21 (Tennessee), the last three all by two touchdowns. Texas’ would be No. 8 (Alabama), No. 19 (Kansas State in overtime) and most likely No. 20 (Oklahoma State). That’s how the committee would get around that.
 

BamaMoon

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Here’s one for you:

So what happens if Louisville beats FSU &….

Texas loses the Big XII CG

The way this committee is set up, they’d make a case for Washington (assuming they lose to Oregon) seeing that one loss in the same manner as they did TCU with K-State. Virtually they have it in their minds that Washington is already a playoff team and Oregon would have a quality win beating a team they already lost to. While that seems ridiculous, I wouldn’t put it past them.

I really don’t trust this committee.
So two Pac teams in at 12-1 and no Bama, SEC champion at 12-1?

Even with the doubts we have about the committee, I just can't imagine that scenario (if FSU and Texas are out).

And honestly, nobody out side of Washington State and Oregon would agree the Pac gets 2.
 

FF4bama

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The committee is basically treating Alabama like they couldn't possibly beat Georgia.

They are going to end up looking a lot stupider than they already do if that happens.
I don't know, it might be smart on their part. If they think UGA wins out, they take the path of least resistance and at the same time create controversy to bring clicks and eyeballs. We as fans all want to see Bama ranked higher but I don't think we earn that until we beat Georgia. If Georgia beats us, the committee can say they were justified in keeping us below UTx and Oregon.
 

KrAzY3

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It's not a ranking, it's a power rating. As in who would be favored vs other teams on a neutral field. Pate's model says Bama would be favored over every team not named UGA on a neutral field.
This is where I would argue that something like this should carry far more weight than the utterly absurd style points the committee seems to favor right now.

For instance, both Alabama and Oregon have one loss. So how do we differentiate the two? Well, Alabama has played better competition, so one could argue that should put them ahead, but the counter is that if Oregon has played better football then perhaps that should elevate them.

Well, who would be favored if the two played today? If it's Alabama, then the entire argument for Oregon crumbles because now the argument in favor of Oregon is basically style points. Oregon beat up inferior competition and ran up the score and that's why they're ahead in the rankings?
 

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And I get dumber every time I watch the CFP committee President and Heather Dinich back to back.
Haven’t watched so far this season. Not planning on watching until after CCG’s if that. I get all the info and opinion I want/need from this thread/forum. I’m on the side of the fence that realizes this committee is not about selecting the 4 best or most deserving teams based on SOS, SOR, teams improvement or total body of work. This committee is all about the culture of inclusivity. Until and unless the usual total chaos weekend occurs, and we’re quickly running out of time, they won’t move Alabama into the top four. They’ve postured themselves into a corner now and there’s nothing they can do to make them look even remotely competent about doing their job relative to guidelines and procedures they should have been working with all along. Based on the way the first 3rd of season started to where we are right now I’m very happy with the result up to this point. Now all we can do is finish strong and hope.
 

BamaMoon

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I don't know, it might be smart on their part. If they think UGA wins out, they take the path of least resistance and at the same time create controversy to bring clicks and eyeballs. We as fans all want to see Bama ranked higher but I don't think we earn that until we beat Georgia. If Georgia beats us, the committee can say they were justified in keeping us below UTx and Oregon.
I can see that. And if we do beat Georgia it gives them a "chance" to shoot us up the rankings. IDK.

It's so hard to predict what they'll do.

I'm starting to think we don't just need to beat Georgia but we need to do it handily to gain even more style points!
 

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This is where I would argue that something like this should carry far more weight than the utterly absurd style points the committee seems to favor right now.
The problem is that Bama could be 8-3 right now and might still be ranked #2 in a power poll. Power ranking is potential, which teams like Bama and UGA have in spades, but it's a team sport so what you do with that talent has to matter.

I do think power ratings should be incoporated into the ranking system, but it shouldn't be the dominant driver.
 

BamaMoon

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The problem is that Bama could be 8-3 right now and might still be ranked #2 in a power poll. Power ranking is potential, which teams like Bama and UGA have in spades, but it's a team sport so what you do with that talent has to matter.

I do think power ratings should be incoporated into the ranking system, but it shouldn't be the dominant driver.
Pate is a little obsessed with betting odds. I imagine their power ranking is a way for him to scratch that itch.
 
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This is where I would argue that something like this should carry far more weight than the utterly absurd style points the committee seems to favor right now.

For instance, both Alabama and Oregon have one loss. So how do we differentiate the two? Well, Alabama has played better competition, so one could argue that should put them ahead, but the counter is that if Oregon has played better football then perhaps that should elevate them.

Well, who would be favored if the two played today? If it's Alabama, then the entire argument for Oregon crumbles because now the argument in favor of Oregon is basically style points. Oregon beat up inferior competition and ran up the score and that's why they're ahead in the rankings?
This is why I would have preferred rankings being done similar to how the BCS was done. Remove the human element as much as possible. Politics gets involved at some point when a committee of people with agendas is in control.

Criteria is different for each team. We are held by the head to head with Texas. Michigan is 3 because their schedule hasn't been as tough as Ohio State. Washington jumped FSU because their schedule is tougher than FSU, they've got the Oregon and Oregon State wins.

Oregon is only below FSU because of their loss to Washington. Otherwise, they've passed the "eye test" on the field to this committee. Texas has the best win.

I'd also argue....the committee falls in line with whatever ESPN is pumping. Their is just way too much subjectivity in the process.
 
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This is where I would argue that something like this should carry far more weight than the utterly absurd style points the committee seems to favor right now.

For instance, both Alabama and Oregon have one loss. So how do we differentiate the two? Well, Alabama has played better competition, so one could argue that should put them ahead, but the counter is that if Oregon has played better football then perhaps that should elevate them.

Well, who would be favored if the two played today? If it's Alabama, then the entire argument for Oregon crumbles because now the argument in favor of Oregon is basically style points. Oregon beat up inferior competition and ran up the score and that's why they're ahead in the rankings?
Current SOS records per Sagarin

Texas #8
Alabama #24
Oregon #57
Georgia #61
Florida St #68

Yet everyone on here wants to whine and moan about how Texas and Oregon played no one and how Georgia is the best team in the country. Yet the very metric that everyone wants to constantly quote states that Oregon has been playing tougher competition than Georgia. But I don’t see one person complaining about Georgia being ahead of Alabama because they played a schedule comparable to both FSU and Oregon.
 
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