Yeah, I shouldn't be so surprised by what he did, but he keeping us in it does.
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****Bama Vs. OU Postgame Thread****
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I'll give you the "wear and tear" of number one for the Auburn game. But we had a month between the Iron Bowl and Sugar Bowl. We no longer had the pressure of being #1 and had time to heal up and game plan. The pressure OU got on AJ was a game changer. Our defensive wasn't able to do that last night or the entire year for that matter. I don't think an entire overhaul of the defense is necessary. But there's no doubt in my mind there needs to be some philosophical adjustments made.
i think OK came into the game playing for more than we did and won it. last night (and the month leading up to it) was very similar to utah in 2008-9.
If that's the case then we're now seeing a trend (as JessN pointed out) of our staff not being able to emotionally get our team up or prepared for games other than the NC game.
Yup, give this team last year's (or 2011's) secondary and last night is vastly different, imo. The second half we showed we have the ability to pressure / shut things down with the front seven, but the secondary allowed too much all night.
With experience / new personnel we'll be fine.
I will disagree that we have any type of significant schematic problem. HUNH is not our forte, but I don't think it's as bad as others believe.
- Alabama had more passing and rushing yards than OU.
- TOP was virtually a scratch.
- Alabama had half as many penalties and penalty yards.
- Alabama had 5 turnovers. OU had just one.
- We missed yet another easy FG attempt.
I think the secondary needs some talent infusion (which is coming), seasoning (which is happening), and better injury luck.
I think the O-line needs better coaching. Not sure how this will play out.
I think TJ and Drake need to carry around a football for the off-season without setting it down.
I think a change at the FG & KO position will be beneficial... and that isn't mean-spirited.
I think the play calling was a bit "panicky" this year.
... all generally fixable items without throwing the 3-4 into the garbage and starting over.
- Alabama had more passing and rushing yards than OU.
- TOP was virtually a scratch.
- Alabama had half as many penalties and penalty yards.
- Alabama had 5 turnovers. OU had just one.
- We missed yet another easy FG attempt.
I think the secondary needs some talent infusion (which is coming), seasoning (which is happening), and better injury luck.
I think the O-line needs better coaching. Not sure how this will play out.
I think TJ and Drake need to carry around a football for the off-season without setting it down.
I think a change at the FG & KO position will be beneficial... and that isn't mean-spirited.
I think the play calling was a bit "panicky" this year.
... all generally fixable items without throwing the 3-4 into the garbage and starting over.
There is no doubt Oklahoma wanted that game more than we did. That's not to say our team didn't display plenty of effort - they did. Oklahoma treated this game like a NC game. Their program had grown mediocre on the national scene over the last several years. "Big Game Bob" used to be a true statement; it was a well earned nickname for the way Oklahoma played in big games during the start of his career, but it had turned into a sarcastic put down. You can tell that they were playing with a huge chip on their shoulders last night.
Still... I think its very evident that Alabama is in need of a refresh throughout the entire program. I'm not talking about people getting fired or wholesale changes in philosophy. If we are to beat teams like Oklahoma, it's going take something a bit different on both sides of the ball, IMO. If we don't change a thing, we'll still win 10 games a year. That's great an all, but if we're looking to win titles, SEC or NC, it's not going to work. It may be a matter of simply tweaking what we're doing S&C-wise. It may mean some tweaking in play calling or defensive strategy. JMO.
Still... I think its very evident that Alabama is in need of a refresh throughout the entire program. I'm not talking about people getting fired or wholesale changes in philosophy. If we are to beat teams like Oklahoma, it's going take something a bit different on both sides of the ball, IMO. If we don't change a thing, we'll still win 10 games a year. That's great an all, but if we're looking to win titles, SEC or NC, it's not going to work. It may be a matter of simply tweaking what we're doing S&C-wise. It may mean some tweaking in play calling or defensive strategy. JMO.
Likely true. BUT... The Success Auburn and Oklahoma had against us will be copied by most teams
we face for the next couple of years.
Its time to slim down our big guys, and send our coaches on the road to see how other teams
are achieving success. I've never been too proud to copy a good idea.
This.
Minus four in turnover margin doesn't beat anybody. We take care of the ball and today's biggest complaint is being hypercritical over a win.
My .02 cents. The boys seemed to be playing hard, not really sleepwalking as they did against Utah back in 08. I believe the coaches dropped the ball more so this time. You can spout off that as long as each player completes his assignment on each play, well every play should work. But the other side is playing the same game on the other side and they are trying to complete their assignment also. So the coaches try to come up with game plan to make the other team play against something that exposes weaknesses. Well lets all blame CK for not being able to handle the speed of the pass rusher that beat him all night. That dude was built to get to quarterbacks in the Big 12 quickly, because thats what they do in that conference everyday. At any time did CK show any ability during the game to handle that quickness. NO, NO and NO. Did AJ have any confidence as game progressed that CK would have his back. NO, NO and NO again. So as a coaching staff that should be able to adapt a little with the game plan, should they have been able to see that he might need a little help with that rush off the corner. Seems as that is obvious that was the case that help was needed. But they, the coaches continued to leave him on a island with this guy. How hard would it have been to have a Hback to just chip the dude as he released into pattern. I believe that is all it would have took. AJ would have been more comfortable in pocket at snap if he knew Cyrus was going to have some help. He, Cyrus might be your first round draft pick tackle sure enough, but if he needed help, he needed help.
This team we were playing was built on quickness and speed, because thats how they play. This is not rocket science here, I've known and I know a lot of you know this, since watching NFL games as a kid in early Seventies, if you have a smaller, lighter, quicker pass rushing specialist, how do you neutralize that advantage he might have on you???? You line up and pin him down by running the ball right over the gap where he is playing. He might make a play or two, but finally your bigger offensive lineman gets the chance to knock the snot out of him. And not just for a play or two either. You make him wish he had never been born. Do any of you here think Cyko would not have loved that. See, then you have changed the narrative to the game. Now the announcers would be talking about how pass rushing specialist was undersized to be playing on the defensive line. And you don't do this either without a back that is not willing to savagely attack the run gap. Size and explosion at the point of attack. TJ has been described as a patient runner, sometimes that just isn't what is needed. A steady diet of Henry and a back like him would have wilted their, Oklahoma's, resolve. Balance on offense is good. It is good to be able to play both styles of ball. But if the opponent is used to fifty percent of your package, the downfield passing, well you give them the part they are not built to stop. You go from 50/50 run pass to a 60/40 ratio, hell maybe a 70/30 ratio. You say you can't win with out balance, aubie beat us up pretty good without balance. If it is their weakness, run more plays that would expose that. Henry was close to breaking them mentally and physically in second half with just a handful of carries. They were not built to handle that type of onslaught.
Just like we were not built to play "their" game exclusively. CyKo and others needed the game plan to have been altered as the game progressed to fit our strengths and expose their weaknesses. Blame the players if you want, but we should look at the game plan and the guys who stubbornly refused to alter it.
Ok, ya'll can let me have it. You are not the coach. We'll have the coaches call you for advice on game strategy next time. Highway 59, Coach Saban and Coach Nussmeier on line one..
Really, I just think the staff layed an egg last night. That game was winnable, and it is a shame some of the Seniors that have been such a part of this great run we are on had to go out with a loss in the Sugar Bowl.
This team we were playing was built on quickness and speed, because thats how they play. This is not rocket science here, I've known and I know a lot of you know this, since watching NFL games as a kid in early Seventies, if you have a smaller, lighter, quicker pass rushing specialist, how do you neutralize that advantage he might have on you???? You line up and pin him down by running the ball right over the gap where he is playing. He might make a play or two, but finally your bigger offensive lineman gets the chance to knock the snot out of him. And not just for a play or two either. You make him wish he had never been born. Do any of you here think Cyko would not have loved that. See, then you have changed the narrative to the game. Now the announcers would be talking about how pass rushing specialist was undersized to be playing on the defensive line. And you don't do this either without a back that is not willing to savagely attack the run gap. Size and explosion at the point of attack. TJ has been described as a patient runner, sometimes that just isn't what is needed. A steady diet of Henry and a back like him would have wilted their, Oklahoma's, resolve. Balance on offense is good. It is good to be able to play both styles of ball. But if the opponent is used to fifty percent of your package, the downfield passing, well you give them the part they are not built to stop. You go from 50/50 run pass to a 60/40 ratio, hell maybe a 70/30 ratio. You say you can't win with out balance, aubie beat us up pretty good without balance. If it is their weakness, run more plays that would expose that. Henry was close to breaking them mentally and physically in second half with just a handful of carries. They were not built to handle that type of onslaught.
Just like we were not built to play "their" game exclusively. CyKo and others needed the game plan to have been altered as the game progressed to fit our strengths and expose their weaknesses. Blame the players if you want, but we should look at the game plan and the guys who stubbornly refused to alter it.
Ok, ya'll can let me have it. You are not the coach. We'll have the coaches call you for advice on game strategy next time. Highway 59, Coach Saban and Coach Nussmeier on line one..
Really, I just think the staff layed an egg last night. That game was winnable, and it is a shame some of the Seniors that have been such a part of this great run we are on had to go out with a loss in the Sugar Bowl.
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Just want to say this loss is all my fault as was the *uburn game. In both games I did not drink from my lucky frosty mug. I have been sick so my usual ritual of drinking Barq's Root Beer from my frosty mug didn't happen. Sodas are very bad for bronchitis and asthma so I did not have the root beer, I instead drank green tea from a Bama glass. I am sorry guys, I felt the Tide would win depsite this oversight but I can see now I have to do my part. Sorry guys blame me and punsih me as you see fit.
I love how people want to overanalyze this or the loss to Auburn.
Alabama lost to Auburn because of missed field goals. They lost to Oklahoma because of turnovers. It is that simple. These were two good teams and you can't afford those sort of mistakes. Yes, there were other issues, but those are the main issues and those are the reasons for the loss.
Now, you can hope the coaches address those issues, but you don't fix missed field goals or turnovers on offense by changing defensive schemes now do you?
Deficiencies in one area doesn't negate deficiencies in another. Yeah, we turned the ball over but let's not fool ourselves. Some of those were forced turnovers. Meaning we didn't "beat ourselves". But regardless of the turnovers or missed fg we are struggling to slow down these HUNH offenses. We had them 1st and 30. They converted. There were several occasions we had them second and third and at least 7 and almost with ease they converted. We have a deficiency on defense when it comes to these type offenses and for the second game in a row the opposing team has taken advantage of it. Now we can continue to point at other things such as TO's or missed fg's but it still doesn't take away the fact that we're struggling against HUNH offenses.
We held OU to less than 100 yards rushing. Their qb didn't sit in the pocket too long. Big deficiency in the dbs - story of the season. Lots of poor tackling angles, etc.
Yeah well we stopped the run by letting them pass at will. That's not a legitimate defensive compromise. :/
I have intentionally not posted anything until now about last nights game. Here is my two cents for what its worth.
1. We got beat plain and simple
2. Sometimes, IMO, I think we try to do too much on defense
3. Turnovers killed us
4. Oklahoma outplayed us in 3 of the 4 quarters
Congrats to OU on the win last night. I am looking forward to the 2014 season.
1. We got beat plain and simple
2. Sometimes, IMO, I think we try to do too much on defense
3. Turnovers killed us
4. Oklahoma outplayed us in 3 of the 4 quarters
Congrats to OU on the win last night. I am looking forward to the 2014 season.
I am not sure we need to change defensive schemes, but we have to learn that with these HUNH offenses we have to call a defense and stick with it. We were not ready to play several times at the snap because we were still calling out defense and moving players around. Frankly we miss Sunseri to get the DB's in the right position. I am not sure a 3-4 works as well as a 4-3 when playing this type of team (See LSU), but I will leave that debate to the coaches. Our offense scored enough to win. You score 31 and lose by 14 is simply not acceptable turnovers or not. We had numerous opportunities to stop them on critical 3rd downs and could not do it. It is time that the coaches reaccess their game plan against this type of team.
As far as the offense, all I have to say is run the ball dang it. Our O-line has not produced consistently all year. We have issues there that need to be fixed and fixed now.
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