****Bama vs. UF Postgame Thread***

BamaMike05

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I did like how Kausler pointed out poor officiating this week. A week earlier would have been nice. I did tweet him after his LSU game article letting him know that I thought the very "questionable" officiating should be mentioned.
 

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I did like how Kausler pointed out poor officiating this week. A week earlier would have been nice. I did tweet him after his LSU game article letting him know that I thought the very "questionable" officiating should be mentioned.
Maybe you made a difference...
 

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We have to win the SEC tournament to get in for sure now. The rest of the regular season is moot now.
I agree we most likely need to win the tourney or at least make the finals and knock off MIZ or UF in the semi's and stay close to the other in the finals. But, Lunardi doesn't see it that way, we are now the first team out. According to him, if we beat OM & UGA 1 tourney win is all we need.
 

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I did a little research that might be of interest.

Yesterday in the SEC every home team won except Auburn.

In total the home teams shot 169 Free Throws.
The visitors shot 126 Free Throws.

If you eliminate the Auburn game the home teams shot 150 free throws.
The visitors shot 95.

Want to know how Miss. State was able to upset Ole Miss? They shot 37 Free Throws.
Ole Miss shot 16 free throws.

Bama, Ole Miss, and Kentucky(all on the road) combined to shoot 53 Free throws yesterday.
The home teams they faced shot a total of 92 free throws.

The team that shot the most free throws won every game in the conference yesterday with the exception of South Carolina.
They lost to A&M. They shot 17 free throws. A@M shot 16.


So....after seeing that trend I'd have to conclude the following:

(1) There is a conference wide favoritism being shown by the officials towards the home teams.
(2) This favoritism is definitely having a major impact on the outcome of the games.

sip
There is a point in most games when the team that is losing (and eventually loses) will foul to stop the clock which will add to the total of fouls for the losing team. This could skew the statistics but not enough to make up the differences pointed out here and in an earlier post that showed the difference in fouls at home and away for Alabama games.

Playing on someone else's homecourt is tough enough with the other team being comfortable with the environment and with the crowd noise against the visiting team. I heard someone recently on the radio who wrote a book after research (so I guess he was an "expert") say that the homecourt advantage for soccer, basketball, and other sports is due more to ref's calls than the environment. If I think hard enough I may be able to remember the name of the book but I'm afraid I'll hurt myself...
 

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I was thinking along the same lines, as Sip, as there should have been no way for Ol' Sis to lose to MSU. Yes, the losing team will foul, at the end, to try to stretch things out. And that does not show in the box score. Not having seen the MSU game, how many other ways could they have won? Officiating had to play a role.

The ironic part of "the losing team fouls at the end" theory is:

1.) LSU was down, by 10, 3+ minutes to go, and all the fouls were on us. Not only did the team that was losing not foul, it was bogus foul calls that let them back in the game.

2.) Some of the worst calls, at UF, at the end, were offensive calls on us. Instead of chances for a 3-point play.

Only way to know that was to have watched the games. Still, something stinks, when so many home teams have such disparate FT advantages.
 

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Wes Rucker had some interesting tweets yesterday during the UT/UGA game. From reading them, I would say the officiating wasn't very good.
 

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I did a little research that might be of interest.

Yesterday in the SEC every home team won except Auburn.

In total the home teams shot 169 Free Throws.
The visitors shot 126 Free Throws.

If you eliminate the Auburn game the home teams shot 150 free throws.
The visitors shot 95.

Want to know how Miss. State was able to upset Ole Miss? They shot 37 Free Throws.
Ole Miss shot 16 free throws.

Bama, Ole Miss, and Kentucky(all on the road) combined to shoot 53 Free throws yesterday.
The home teams they faced shot a total of 92 free throws.

The team that shot the most free throws won every game in the conference yesterday with the exception of South Carolina.
They lost to A&M. They shot 17 free throws. A@M shot 16.


So....after seeing that trend I'd have to conclude the following:

(1) There is a conference wide favoritism being shown by the officials towards the home teams.
(2) This favoritism is definitely having a major impact on the outcome of the games.

sip
The problem is we quite often do not shoot as many free throws as our opponent even when we are the home team. It is more of a problem on the road as well, but it is a problem as a whole when it comes to Bama games. We have zero home court advantage. The last home game against Auburn ended at almost even if not in favor or the visitors.
 

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The problem is we quite often do not shoot as many free throws as our opponent even when we are the home team. It is more of a problem on the road as well, but it is a problem as a whole when it comes to Bama games. We have zero home court advantage. The last home game against Auburn ended at almost even if not in favor or the visitors.

I would like to agree, but that isn't true.. The numbers at home (during SEC play) of FT's has been skewed in our favor.

BAMA FTM-A OPP FTM-A

16/19 -------- 8/16
8/15 ---------- 7/10
15/21 -------- 6/11
18/25 -------- 11/14
20/33 -------- 11/14
18/33 --------- 5/17
12/16 -------- 11/14
21/27 -------- 10/15

That's why there is such a problem in my opinion. We don't go from being a team who can draw fouls at home, to one who does nothing to draw fouls on the road. Either the officials are playing to the home crowd to the point of needing to have an investigation, or we are getting screwed over on the regular...
 
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I would like to agree, but that isn't true.. The numbers at home (during SEC play) of FT's has been skewed in our favor.

BAMA FTM-A OPP FTM-A

16/19 -------- 8/16
8/15 ---------- 7/10
15/21 -------- 6/11
18/25 -------- 11/14
20/33 -------- 11/14
18/33 --------- 5/17
12/16 -------- 11/14
21/27 -------- 10/15

That's why there is such a problem in my opinion. We don't go from being a team who can draw fouls at home, to one who does nothing to draw fouls on the road. Either the officials are playing to the home crowd to the point of needing to have an investigation, or we are getting screwed over on the regular...
In the earlier season games, I think it was more noticeable, and a lot of those numbers are skewed as the visitors fouled us at the end when they were behind. I know it is nearly impossible to tell but the 1st 10 or 15 minutes each half I have noticed we were either even in fouls or had more than the visitors.
 

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In our five road losses against SEC competition our opponents have shot 124 free throws.
Bama has shot 67.
Wow.
And you gotta remember, it's not just the additional points teams are getting against us.
If we have twice as many fouls we've got key players sitting on the bench in foul trouble while their key players are on the court making plays.
Has to make a big difference.
 
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In our five road losses against SEC competition our opponents have shot 124 free throws.
Bama has shot 67.
Wow.
And you gotta remember, it's not just the additional points teams are getting against us.
If we have twice as many fouls we've got key players sitting on the bench in foul trouble while their key players are on the court making plays.
Has to make a big difference.
That's a very good point. The moment Gueye goes to the bench, the opposition starts having more success getting to the rim, because Jacobs just can't protect it. I have to add that a large percentage of the whistles MG gets are just flat bogus. He's very big and obvious and he's not very good yet at playing the game of maintaining position without getting noticed.
 
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That's a very good point. The moment Gueye goes to the bench, the opposition starts having more success getting to the rim, because Jacobs just can't protect him. I have to add that a large percentage of the whistles MG gets are just flat bogus. He's very big and obvious and he's not very good yet at playing the game of maintaining position without getting noticed.
He gets more touch foul calls than any big man I can remember.
 

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Coach Grant still isn't happy about the fouls. Link

"You’re dealing with a team in Ole Miss that the last six games are averaging 28 free throws a game, so that will be critical for us," he said. "We’ve got to be able to do a good job.

"You guys talk all the time about how physical SEC basketball is and how it impacts games. For us, the last two road games, we feel like they’ve been physical. We’ve got to do a better job of getting ourselves to the free-throw line, which is a critical part of our success in being able to keep our opponent off the free-throw line.

"The last two road games, 63 free throws – over 31 attempts a game – for our opponents, a 27-point differential, that’s tough to overcome. That will be a point of emphasis for us. We’ve got to do a better job there."
 

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I've noticed the touch calls on him lately, but he is very bad at how he sets screens. He could be called for a foul almost every time. He makes plays that are just head scratching sometimes.
He really gets more calls when he's trying to establish position underneath, both on "O" and "D" than on the screens. In fact, I haven't really noticed whistles on the screens, just that they're ineffective...
 

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Coach Grant still isn't happy about the fouls. Link
His remarks are disguising the way he feels, IMO. When a guy jumps into the horseshoe underneath the basket at the last split second and you get called for a charge (twice in a few minutes), there's no way you're getting to the stripe...
 
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