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Question: Border crisis looming, what should be done?

NationalTitles18 said:
Talladega and Dothan are in the same state under the same state rule.

Judea was a Roman client state under Roman control but administered by King Herod at the time of Jesus' birth, not a Roman province under direct Roman control.

Alexandria had a large Jewish population, so migration to somewhere near there made sense for a Jew wanting to escape the reach of Herod.

I'm not an expert on the legality of their migration, but suspect that the migration was legal.

I'm also not an expert on all circumstances with Jesus' birth, but at that time his family was submitting to the legal census and the rules about that.

It was later that he and his family fled Judea and Herod's rule, becoming refugees in the process. They could no longer be in their homeland of Judea because it was not safe.

I don't believe we have a good direct analogy in today's landscape for comparison since our systems of governance are so different.
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Thanks for the clarity. The lesson I took was to welcome the stranger and help those in need. That seems to be a central theme, especially in the New Testament.
 
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Well, he borrowed America First from pro-NAZI organizations, so...



Opinion: Trump’s dangerous echoes of the eugenics movement


Last month, former President Donald Trump said immigrants arriving in the United States were “poisoning the blood of our country” — prompting the Biden administration to draw a comparison to Adolf Hitler, who used the phrase “blood poisoning” in his manifesto, “Mein Kampf.” But Trump’s comments also bring to mind the eugenics movement — and the influence it had on American life in the early 1900s.
 
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Well, he borrowed America First from pro-NAZI organizations, so...



Opinion: Trump’s dangerous echoes of the eugenics movement


Last month, former President Donald Trump said immigrants arriving in the United States were “poisoning the blood of our country” — prompting the Biden administration to draw a comparison to Adolf Hitler, who used the phrase “blood poisoning” in his manifesto, “Mein Kampf.” But Trump’s comments also bring to mind the eugenics movement — and the influence it had on American life in the early 1900s.
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but whaddabout pronouns
 
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From today's HCR letter. Please read whether you favor the right or left.

Thank you.

Meanwhile, Trump’s attempts to destroy the bipartisan border deal, in which Democrats appear to have been willing to give away more than the Republicans out of desperate determination to fund Ukraine, are being called out for cynical politics. The news is awash today with stories condemning the Republicans for caving to the demands of a man who is, at least for now, a private citizen and who is putting his own election over the interests of the American people as he tries to keep the issue of immigration alive to exploit in the 2024 campaign.

Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC) told his colleagues: “I didn’t come here to have the president as a boss or a candidate as a boss. I came here to pass good, solid policy…. It is immoral for me to think you looked the other way because you think this is the linchpin for President Trump to win.” Senator Jon Tester (D-MT) told Sahil Kapur and Frank Thorp V of NBC News, “I think it’s crap…. We need to get that deal done to secure the border. If they want to keep it as a campaign issue, I think they need to resign from the damn Senate.”

But while Trump is apparently telling Republicans he will “fix” the border if he gets back into the White House, Greg Sargent noted yesterday in The New Republic that when Trump was in office, “[h]e too released a lot of migrants into the interior, and he couldn’t pass his immigration agenda even with unified GOP control.” And, of course, he never got Mexico to pay for his wall, as he repeatedly claimed he would, while President Joe Biden, in contrast, got Mexico to invest $1.5 billion in “smart” border technology and to beef up its own border security.

The White House has refused to abandon negotiations even as Trump trashed them. In a statement today, Biden said that negotiators have been “[w]orking around the clock, through the holidays, and over weekends,” to craft a bipartisan deal on the border, and he called out Republicans who are now trying to scuttle the bill.

“What’s been negotiated would—if passed into law—be the toughest and fairest set of reforms to secure the border we’ve ever had in our country,” he said. “It would give me, as President, a new emergency authority to shut down the border when it becomes overwhelmed. And if given that authority, I would use it the day I sign the bill into law.

“Further, Congress needs to finally provide the funding I requested in October to secure the border. This includes an additional 1,300 border patrol agents, 375 immigration judges, 1,600 asylum officers, and over 100 cutting-edge inspection machines to help detect and stop fentanyl at our southwest border. Securing the border through these negotiations is a win for America. For everyone who is demanding tougher border control, this is the way to do it. If you’re serious about the border crisis, pass a bipartisan bill and I will sign it.”

Biden seems to be signaling that if the Republicans kill this measure, they will own the border issue, but he is not the only one making that argument. Yesterday the Wall Street Journal’s editorial board, which slants toward the right, wrote: “[G]iving up on a border security bill would be a self-inflicted GOP wound. President Biden would claim, with cause, that Republicans want border chaos as an election issue rather than solving the problem. Voter anger may over time move from Mr. Biden to the GOP, and the public will have a point. Cynical is the only word that fits Republicans panning a border deal whose details aren’t even known.”

The Wall Street Journal editorial board went further, articulating what Republicans are signing up for if they continue to prevent funding for Ukraine. Recalling the horrific images of the April 1975 fall of Saigon, the capital of South Vietnam, to North Vietnamese forces, when desperate evacuees fought their way to helicopters, the board asked: “Do Republicans want to sponsor the 2024 equivalent of Saigon 1975?”
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NationalTitles18 said:
Talladega and Dothan are in the same state under the same state rule.

Judea was a Roman client state under Roman control but administered by King Herod at the time of Jesus' birth, not a Roman province under direct Roman control.

Alexandria had a large Jewish population, so migration to somewhere near there made sense for a Jew wanting to escape the reach of Herod.

I'm not an expert on the legality of their migration, but suspect that the migration was legal.

I'm also not an expert on all circumstances with Jesus' birth, but at that time his family was submitting to the legal census and the rules about that.

It was later that he and his family fled Judea and Herod's rule, becoming refugees in the process. They could no longer be in their homeland of Judea because it was not safe.

I don't believe we have a good direct analogy in today's landscape for comparison since our systems of governance are so different.
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In 6 AD it became a province but that’s splitting hairs. You are right that movement was free. Herod was only “king” because the Roman emperor let him be. He could be removed at any point and has to govern the area as he was told.
 
NationalTitles18 said:
Talladega and Dothan are in the same state under the same state rule.

Judea was a Roman client state under Roman control but administered by King Herod at the time of Jesus' birth, not a Roman province under direct Roman control.

Alexandria had a large Jewish population, so migration to somewhere near there made sense for a Jew wanting to escape the reach of Herod.

I'm not an expert on the legality of their migration, but suspect that the migration was legal.

I'm also not an expert on all circumstances with Jesus' birth, but at that time his family was submitting to the legal census and the rules about that.

It was later that he and his family fled Judea and Herod's rule, becoming refugees in the process. They could no longer be in their homeland of Judea because it was not safe.

I don't believe we have a good direct analogy in today's landscape for comparison since our systems of governance are so different.
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moot point anyway as we have unearthed extensive records of Roman censuses from the time period and this census never occurred when depicted in the bible. This is of course because it is fiction
 
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Jon said:
moot point anyway as we have unearthed extensive records of Roman censuses from the time period and this census never occurred when depicted in the bible. This is of course because it is fiction
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Fiction or truth, we are discussing the Bible's account and the supposed lessons those who follow the Bible (or claim to) might/should take from it.
 
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