Cecil the lion

[TIDE-HSV]

I'll throw this last tidbit in before departing the thread. It seems that it was poaching from the get-go. The landowner didn't have a lion permit. The professional guide is in charge of insuring that all is in order. They are now facing ten year prison terms. If he were back in Zimbabwe, he would be facing the same, since he's ultimately responsible. He didn't care to check, apparently. In view of his earlier felony poaching conviction for the black bear before, I doubt seriously if he checked or even cared. BTW, he didn't use a long bow or even a compound bow. He used a bolt from a crossbow - so much for the "macho" angle. (Speaking as a former bow hunter.)

 

[Bazza]

In response to ruining this dolt's life....

"Play stupid games....win stupid prizes."

Where have I heard this before? :conf3:



I don't really care what happens to this scum bag......let the chips fall.


BTW...thanks Earle for pointing out the generations of lions lost by this fool's actions. This really is a VERY huge loss....

 

[GreatDanish]

Agreed! Who would even want this guy as a Dentist? I wouldn't want him using funds I helped provide him with to pay for "hunts" like this! I would without a doubt take my business elsewhere.

That's a reasonable response. If he's your dentist and you found out he did this, find another dentist.


The people calling for him to be skinned and decapitated, or to have someone drill through his head, are psychotic themselves. Natural consequences? Sure: People leave his business, he loses hunting privileges. But, death threats and being the most talked about story of the day? That's viral outrage. I mean, hundreds of humans died today needlessly and we don't hear a single word about them. I get that both can be stories and we can be upset about this, but why is the lion drawing MORE ire from the public than humans who have been killed needlessly, some probably within a few miles of our own homes?

Heck, name another human who has been murdered in your hometown in the last six months. Yet, everyone can name this lion. I hate this happened and think the guy is a loser. But, I am so much more worried about humans.

 

[Catfish]

Ignoring the legal aspects of this incident, I just can't imagine having a conversation like this with my friends:

"Hey, guys. Can I tell you about my trip to Africa? I hired some guides and they found a protected lion, who had been around tourists and naturalists all his life. So, he like had no fear of humans! They lured him off of a nature preserve, because it's illegal to hunt on a nature preserve or some such nonsense. Can you believe that's even a rule??? They led him to a place where I was bravely hiding in the dark. He wanted him some FOOD! Once he was close enough, they turned on some flood lights to blind the protected lion. Because, you know, he might not have any fear of humans, but you can't take any chances because he might run back to the nature preserve! You know, the one with the stupid law? So anyway, while the socialized and protected lion was blinded and disoriented from the light, I shot him while still bravely hiding in the dark! It was AWESOME! Who's da' man? Sure, it was a pain to have to cut off the collar that marked him as a protected animal and to destroy the GPS so those sissy game wardens wouldn't find us. But, a real man like me's gotta do what he's gotta do. Amiright? Besides, we cut his freakin' head off anyway, so it wasn't really all THAT much trouble!"

 

[Tidewater]

I'll throw this last tidbit in before departing the thread. It seems that it was poaching from the get-go. The landowner didn't have a lion permit. The professional guide is in charge of insuring that all is in order. They are now facing ten year prison terms. If he were back in Zimbabwe, he would be facing the same, since he's ultimately responsible. He didn't care to check, apparently. In view of his earlier felony poaching conviction for the black bear before, I doubt seriously if he checked or even cared. BTW, he didn't use a long bow or even a compound bow. He used a bolt from a crossbow - so much for the "macho" angle. (Speaking as a former bow hunter.)

And, from what Sky News said, the guide was dragging an animal carcass behind a vehicle to lure the lion out of the preserve. Nice. What a mighty hunter.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Palmer certainly appears to be a dirtbag, but Matt Walsh gets it right here, imo: http://www.theblaze.com/contributio...er-to-care-about-dead-lions-than-dead-people/

A year from now, someone will do a follow up story about that villainous dentist from long ago, and we’ll all think, “Oh yeah, whatever happened to that guy?” Then we’ll see that he lost his business, his family, and his dignity, and now lives as a sad shell of a forgotten man. “Serves him right for doing whatever he did,” we’ll say proudly, as we get back to feasting upon the newest Scoundrel Du Jour. It’s a never ending pattern, played out over and over again by a progressive culture filled with craven wimps, always compensating for their moral failings by tearing down false Satans, too afraid to do battle with the real one.

 

[Tide1986]

My late next door neighbor (who died in January) captured a red fox last autumn. He set out a metal trap in hopes of catching another neighbor's stray cats. He let it stay in the trap for 5 hours. Then he took a .22 rifle and shot it 3x at close range, and let it stay in the cage for another 3 hours until he was sure it was dead. Then he hauled it off and disposed of it. Brave soul, he was....

My granddaddy used to trap fox, mink, and beaver and sell their pelts. He'd inadvertently trap the occasional possum as well.

 

[NationalTitles18]

He should have to face the legal consequences and if his patients choose to go elsewhere then so be it; but the violent threats are beyond the pale.

 

[Tide1986]

Palmer certainly appears to be a dirtbag, but Matt Walsh gets it right here, imo: http://www.theblaze.com/contributio...er-to-care-about-dead-lions-than-dead-people/

Hammer meets nail.

 

[TideWatcher]

I agree; it is not sporting at all. Looks like it is going to cost him a lot more than 55,000 for that lion.

I think that animal tourism will, in the long run, contribute more to the local economy than a dentist paying $55,000 to "hunt" a lion.

 

[crimson fan man]

I have no major problem with hunting when it comes to animals that need to decrease the herd numbers. In North Alabama deer is one animal that needs to be decreased in a major way. Most deer hunters I know eat what they kill. I can't hunt deer because of a personal thing but another animal that is coming a major problem is wild hogs. I can and have hunted hogs. Very clever animals and also dangerous when you are stalking them. For this guy that killed this lion I don't know what should happen to him but this is just wrong.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

OK, return to throw this in:

LINK

 

[TideEngineer08]

OK, return to throw this in:

LINK

Typical.

 

[mittman]

IMO the guy is a scumbag and deserves to be vilified, it may get to a point where the extent is overblown, but I don't think it has already.

As for the relative egregiousness, and wanting more attention paid to murder around us (IMO human murder is a different category than killing another species, but that is just me). I think there is enough room to show disdain for this action without minimalizing the other.

 

[Bazza]

I agree Mittman.....this scumbag deserves all the wrath he is getting.....

 

[RedStar]

IMO the guy is a scumbag and deserves to be vilified, it may get to a point where the extent is overblown, but I don't think it has already.

As for the relative egregiousness, and wanting more attention paid to murder around us (IMO human murder is a different category than killing another species, but that is just me). I think there is enough room to show disdain for this action without minimalizing the other.

I agree. But the problem is there is almost no disdain being shown for the other.

I have absolutely no problem with people calling out this guy. A lot is over the top, but most of it is deserved. I want lions, tigers, rhinos to be around for my kids and grandkids to see. When I was growing up, exotic animals helped give me a sense of wonder about the world beyond my small Mississippi town. We need to protect these animals.

But the majority of people who have come out against this guy for killing Cecil have said nothing about harvesting baby organs/body parts. That silence is DEAFENING.

 

[GreatDanish]

IMO the guy is a scumbag and deserves to be vilified, it may get to a point where the extent is overblown, but I don't think it has already.

As for the relative egregiousness, and wanting more attention paid to murder around us (IMO human murder is a different category than killing another species, but that is just me). I think there is enough room to show disdain for this action without minimalizing the other.

I agree with this idea. The problem is that we have paid ZERO attention to any human death over the last few days and worldwide outrage over the lion. There is room to show disdain for this action and the other, but no one seems to be showing any disdain for the other.

India/Samuel Clarke - fatally shot (illegally, I might add) in a Tampa park last week
Deona Barnett - pregnant 27 year old lady shot while out walking in Pittsburgh
Patrick Tyler Burdine - 28 year old shot dead in his home in Nashville
Two unnamed children and two other unnamed in Atlanta
Chrissy Njorodge - pregnant woman in Cleveland shot to death by her fiance.
Vincent Byers and Roger Sales - killed in a drive-by shooting in St. Louis
Gerald Morgan - 17 year old shot outside his home in New Orleans
and on and on and on.

Who's heard of any of these? If there is room to show disdain for both, can someone please show disdain for these murders of human beings in our own country and even our own cities? Cecil's story has been on the freakin' Jimmy Kimmel Show and who knows what else; news stations across the country I'm sure. There are people in Pittsburgh (I'd wager well over half of the people in Pittsburgh) that have never heard Deona Barnett's name.

Honestly, maybe that's part of our gun problem in America. We tend to show apathy over gun deaths. What if we protested Deona's death the same way people are protesting Cecil's death? What if we citizens took justice into our own hands like we seem to be doing with Cecil?

 

[cbi1972]

It sure seems trendy to hate this guy.

 

[Bazza]

I agree.

If you feel it is important to show disdain for deaths of other living things....start a thread on it yourself.

I would be happy to post my disdain on your thread.

Why do I have to start all the threads?

 

[mittman]

Yup, there is a LOT of murder going on that goes unnoticed. There is also a LOT of poaching going on that goes unnoticed too.

I get that there is a difference. I DO think the media glosses over what does not fit it's story line. There needs to be more attention paid to the murder cases around us. I do think we have become callous or at the very least acclimated.

However, IMO the story has merit, and the vilification is justified. I have actually been to Hwange, sat in a Jeep in the middle of a pride. I played with lion cubs in a wild animal orphanage who's entire pride was killed by poachers. I get the reason this particular case has resonated.