texas 8&4 should be #1, right now. Their schedule is far tougher than Indiana or Ohio State
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While Alabama slugs it out, numbers show one team is feasting on cupcakes
No team in the country can bank the collection of wins that Alabama football can. While the Florida State loss still sticks out like a sore thumb, it feels like
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It’s insane to me that Texas A&M is not #1
Their resume and FPI metrics are comparable if not better than both IU and tOSU and with a much higher SOS.
In previous years you cover up the names and the team with the Aggies resume is #1
It’s like they are purposely being subjective to a stubborn degree and placing way to much on the ‘eye test’.
Which to be honest should still favor A&M.
I think they should at least be #2. IMO they and Ohio State look like the best teams in the country right now
I think their “eye test” is more of a “talent level + recency bias” test. Ohio State has bought up a lot of talent and won it all last year, therefore they will continue to get the benefit of the doubt until they lose.
Ohio State is the defending national champion.
They haven't lost.
So I'm not sure why this is even a debate at this point. Indeed, it's the 1966 argument in a nutshell.
(And yes, I know it's changed, but the champ hasn't lost yet, either).
They haven't lost.
So I'm not sure why this is even a debate at this point. Indeed, it's the 1966 argument in a nutshell.
(And yes, I know it's changed, but the champ hasn't lost yet, either).
Totally agree. The AP thought they were smarter than everyone else with their preseason poll having Texas #1, Penn State #2 and Ohio State #3. Texas has 2 losses and has been unimpressive in their wins while Penn State has fallen out of sight. Had they followed the simple logic of keeping the #1 team from the prior season ranked #1 until someone beats them they would have been more accurate.
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In that scenario, there is a good chance that the ACC doesn’t have anyone in the playoffs.
Literally meaningless argument as this OSU team has won NOTHING of consequence.
At this point, it has to be based on SOS or it's just emotional vomit based on 'whatever', such as who won what last season.
But but.....we "feel" Ohio State is the better team over Indiana. We "feel" that Indiana is a better team than Texas A&M.
We "felt" this and we "felt" that and just threw these rankings together.
I don't disagree with anything you said here - and I think the better case is made by 2014 Florida State, who weren't even assured of the playoff until the very end and IIRC there was one article that actually said that FSU (not Ohio State) was the team that didn't belong ahead of TCU that year.
Of course, I don't disagree with it as applied to 1966, either, which is a sore spot for some folks on this board who (unlike you or I) lived it. It wasn't the same team and they had the weakest SOS of the contenders "but a tie" apparently being a clinching argument.
My only "quibble" might be I'd opt for strength of RECORD over strength of SCHEDULE, but I also assume that's actually what you meant, too.
But is OSU really?
Now, I haven't watched them play all year but who among us real CFB fans think what they've accomplished so far is better than aTm? Should they be in the top 5? Yes. But I, for one, am not convinced they are the #1 team in the country. And argue all you want about them being the "Unbeaten Defending Champion" but the committee is supposed be tasked with determining this season 12 best teams, not the most deserving or how we feel they should be ranked.
Their defense is elite. They have a top 5 pick at LB. Sayin is completing 80% of his passes while throwing to 2 stud WRs. They're very very good. I think they should be a decent sized favorite to win it all (doesn't mean they will)
I think maybe the brutal truth is this: college football fans over about the age of 25 or so have not yet come to grips with the brutal fact that the rankings - as @crimsonaudio eloquently has stated - are MEANINGLESS. Completely 100% meaningless.
But guess what would happen if "they" did away with the poll rankings?
The very same people who now complain about the rankings in the polls would whine BECAUSE THERE ARE NO POLLS!! But the brutal truth is - there aren't REALLY polls anymore in this anyway.
Ohio State......or Texas A/M......or Indiana.....any one of them right now could be ranked #1, and it would have the exact same meaning it does now: zilch. Name a team #1, and I can name you a strong argument as to why that team SHOULD NOT be #1.
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Ohio State - but who have they played? Their big win was against overrated Texas!
Texas A/M - okay, they beat Notre Dame.....but SEVEN other SEC teams are ranked and they haven't played ANY of them; they're only going to play ONE of them. Is a one-point win over ND REALLY better than a seven-point opening game win over Texas?
Indiana - they've literally had a two-game season, which is more than the two teams I mentioned above have. They massacred Illinois far worse than Ohio St did, and they beat Oregon handily on the road.
Alabama - there's a solid argument RIGHT NOW for Alabama to be #1 based on who they've beaten. The Tide has the BEST WIN (Georgia) of the four named but the WORST LOSS (FSU), too, since the others are undefeated. You can argue OSU/Indiana/aTm wouldn't beat UGA, but they probably wouldn't lose to FSU, either.
Georgia - a pair of good wins (Tenn/Ole Miss) but can you REALLY rank them above Alabama? Sure, it was a 3-point loss, but it was at home. If this game had been at BDS, you could make an argument for UGA.
Texas Tech - the worst schedule of any of these teams and they have a loss to a 6-3 team. Yeah, they killed Utah but how good is Utah anyway?
Ole Miss - not too bad of a loss against UGA (on the road) and one good road win. But how can you seriously rank them above UGA?
Oregon - they've scraped by twice in the Big Ten and lost at home to Indiana. And they didn't exactly blow out Wisconsin as Alabama and Ohio State did, either.
Notre Dame - played 3 teams currently ranked. Lost to two of them. "Good" losses, yes, but who exactly have they beaten? USC? Illinois beat USC.
I mean, in all honesty, you look at the above points, and Alabama PROBABLY has the best resume if Florida State is 6-3 instead of 4-5. But you can't overlook that loss, either, you just can't.
I'm good with Alabama's ranking, even if it has the best set of wins and the toughest schedule. The loss to FSU is horrendous in retrospect.
I also think there is a good chance Ohio State is by far the best team out there, even if they catch a break in their schedule. I think Indiana will eventually run out of steam, but it is truly admirable what Cignetti has built there in such a short period of time. I don't think they should be ahead of Texas A&M, though, but what does it matter?
My biggest gripe is Notre Dame. And they are getting artificial help from the committee, who is gifting them a ranked opponent this weekend. At 10-2, should they finish that way, ND is almost guaranteed a playoff berth. The SEC will need to finish very strong, with just the right amount of knocking one another off, in order to block them and even that might not be enough.
The committee (which really means the tv networks) wants them in.
I also think there is a good chance Ohio State is by far the best team out there, even if they catch a break in their schedule. I think Indiana will eventually run out of steam, but it is truly admirable what Cignetti has built there in such a short period of time. I don't think they should be ahead of Texas A&M, though, but what does it matter?
My biggest gripe is Notre Dame. And they are getting artificial help from the committee, who is gifting them a ranked opponent this weekend. At 10-2, should they finish that way, ND is almost guaranteed a playoff berth. The SEC will need to finish very strong, with just the right amount of knocking one another off, in order to block them and even that might not be enough.
The committee (which really means the tv networks) wants them in.
I am hoping Pitt ends notre dame's playoff tomorrow
The committee is angling to have 4 SEC teams. And so that the bracket arrangements assures there is no way the championship is SEC vs. SEC.
And yes, they'll do all sorts of rhetorical gymnastics to get ND in. Go Pitt.
And yes, they'll do all sorts of rhetorical gymnastics to get ND in. Go Pitt.
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