Croom - hard core disciplinarian!

Wow! They pled guilty to a lesser offense, but that means that they admitted to ASSAULTING A POLICE OFFICER! :eek2: The courts give them a 6 month suspended sentence and a $500 fine and Croom says
"The legal system has worked, and our players have been penalized by the court," Croom said in a statement released by the school. "They have each paid a hefty fine and essentially they are on probation for two years."
Hefty? $500 is not a hefty fine for assault, much less assault of a police officer.

Any coach worth my spit would throw these kids off of the team...
 
TommyMac said:
Wonder why they were allowed to plead down? Sounds like there may be some circumstances we're not aware of.
If I had to guess, the cop was drunk, too. Still, no matter what, 6 guys can't commit assault and skate like this. If the DA is soft, that shouldn't impact the coach. If any of those kids were mine, they would be on a short leash for a very long time...
 
i totally agree with everyone. But if ya'll do remember Ray Hudson was caught with pot and arrested in 2004 and mike shula didnt even suspend him for the auburn game the following saturday. I agree but we are not totally clear either of this type of behavior.
 
Spark004 said:
i totally agree with everyone. But if ya'll do remember Ray Hudson was caught with pot and arrested in 2004 and mike shula didnt even suspend him for the auburn game the following saturday. I agree but we are not totally clear either of this type of behavior.
Sure, a minor pot possesion is the same as six guys beating up another guy.

Wow.
 
Spark004 said:
i totally agree with everyone. But if ya'll do remember Ray Hudson was caught with pot and arrested in 2004 and mike shula didnt even suspend him for the auburn game the following saturday. I agree but we are not totally clear either of this type of behavior.
Actually, I did not know about that and am somewhat disappointed in Shula now that I do. Were there extenuating circumstances? Was it someone else's pot?
 
I don't see the big deal, really. It doesn't say they 'beat up the guy', or anything even remotely like that. It only says the officer was assaulted during an altercation. That could be 6 guys holding him down because he punched an unnamed 3rd party. Or it could be any other number of small incidents like that. The article doesn't mention any previous incidents involving any of these kids, mentions no treatments given (hospital or paramedic on scene), and mentions no further actions that the officer could take (lawsuits).

Plus, they were immediately removed from the team--
The players had been banished from football-related activities through the spring. Additionally, they were banned from going to functions at the site of the incident, Level III in Starkville. They also faced an 11 p.m. curfew and on-campus sensitivity training.

Doesn't look like they had the 'protection of the program' working for them, so the DA must've felt that reduced charges were appropriate for what actaully occured.

If these were Bama kids, most of you would be focusing on how CMS immediately suspended the players rather than saying he was soft for letting them rejoin the team once the incident ran its legal course.
 
roll2tide said:
If these were Bama kids, most of you would be focusing on how CMS immediately suspended the players rather than saying he was soft for letting them rejoin the team once the incident ran its legal course.
Some might, but not me. If these kids miss no playing time, they were not punished by Croom. Spring practice is practice - these kids live for the games. You have to make it clear to your kids that if they mess up, it will cost them someplace that hurts...
 
Pyhrric Victory for Croom and Players

Yeah, Croom gets his players and they get to play. But this costs you over the long run. Even at Tennessee, where "benefit of the doubt" means, "We haven't suspected you of murder....lately," that kind of laxness has cost them.

And that's after perennial national top 5 recruiting classes. Imagine the impact in Starkville -- low character combined with pitiful recruiting compounded by lax discipline. The long run is about 6 months there. Right about the time we play them next.

Moore and Witt made the right decision, and it's proven yet again about once a quarter.

BTW -- I haven't listened to Finebaum ore read Scarbinsky (much) since about the time they were villifying Moore and Witt for taking the pretty white boy over the proven black coach. Do they have any comment now? I'd be flabbergasted if either issued anything other than the slipstream on the subject.
 
roll2tide said:
If these were Bama kids, most of you would be focusing on how CMS immediately suspended the players rather than saying he was soft for letting them rejoin the team once the incident ran its legal course.
Not here, and I'd be disappointed with anyone who felt that way...
 
Spark004 said:
i totally agree with everyone. But if ya'll do remember Ray Hudson was caught with pot and arrested in 2004 and mike shula didnt even suspend him for the auburn game the following saturday. I agree but we are not totally clear either of this type of behavior.

What is interesting here is I do remember the Hudson incident and everything surrounding it. And, to say "he wasn't suspended by Shula" is a true, but a total mis-representation of the situation.

1) This situation didn't happen in Hudson's place of residence.
2) The individual who leased the place was the person who had the pot anyway. That happened to be a lady friend of a girl Ray was hanging out with occasionally and when she was questioned by the police she told them it was Ray's stash.
3) Ray submitted to, and passed a drug test within a few days after this happened.
4) Shula looked at the facts of the matter, found sufficient and solid evidence that backed up Ray's story, and that was the end of this story.

People wonder how stories like the famous "brick incident" slowly find their way into local lore and are then believed as fact? Your post is a prime example of this happening.

NOW...as to this thread.

These players may not be suspended for the first game, but that doesn't mean they aren't being punished. It's simply not reported what disciplinary action is taking place.

FACT: We have players on our team that have had off the field "incidents" this summer...they have been going through disciplinary actions this summer and some of those punishments go through fall practice and past the first game.

We've known about this situation for weeks, but have chosen not to post it publically, it hasn't made the "news wires," leaving those "poking fun" at Croom and MSU close to the ole' adage of the "pot calling the kettle black."

The question that needs to be asked, and answered personally, is would you rather have disciplinary actions handled in house, or in the public eye?

Alabama is handling theirs in house. A great example of that is the story the media was all to happy in reporting that Slim, Hall and Keys were suspended due to academics for the Cotton Bowl.

FACT: Slim was suspended for his grades. The other two, for other matters that, again, weren't reported by the media because they didn't know. Again, it could have been posted around the 'net but it was one of those situations the staff decided to handle in house and those that knew about their decision and those incidents didn't go "blabbing" it around the 'net.

Personally, I have plenty of reasons not to respect Croom. But, just because I don't know what he's doing with these players in house isn't one of them.

And, for the "FWIW" department....he's been treating players he recruited differently than those Sherrill brought in since day 1.
 
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buzzincuzzin said:
So after Mark Gillion's weekend of beach and debauchery, CMS will quietly have him rebauched?

I don't know. I haven't asked about this situation nor ran into any conversations about it.

Like Rich said, I've seen it posted on a few sites but I don't know those people who are posting it, or how "credible" they are. Does that mean "I don't believe it?" No. It just means I don't know, and haven't asked anyone if it were true.

It's about "degree of importance."

I've said all along I fully expect McElroy to be #2 in the fall. If this is indeed true and MG's back by August that means he's missed skel drills over the summer. That, just goes to make the progression up the depth chart that much easier for GM.

Let's not forget...the QB situation in the fall of '06 isn't so much about game winning plays as much as it is about avoiding costly mistakes. The former, will come after this season.
 
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