Actually, I didn't hear a word Kannell said, just responded to what people relayed here. I refuse to watching anything he or Galloway are on as they are worthless.
Danny Kannell Still Bashing Bama
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When Kannell comes on that is when I turn the channel but sometimes I can't turn it fast enough to hear stupidity that comes out. I didn't say anything about ESPN being stupid, just Kanell. I don't think I could have found the game on the SEC Network last night so I had to watch ESPN to see it.
I rarely tune in to ESPN except when they broadcast the Bama games. As such, I've only ever heard Kannell once and found him to be completely devoid of personality. I usually read ESPN online because I can choose what I want to read and ignore the rest.
The problem with Kirk's comment in regards to the intentional grounding is that it does not matter where the ball goes out of bounds. All that matters is where the ball lands. Kirk should know the rules of the game as the lead college football analyst in America..
He said it around 12:00 last night cst on ESPN. It was the Scott van pelt show.
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If Kannell is on I'm watching. I usually just catch him when I'm channel surfing. It's like watching a train wreck, you just know he's going to say something outlandish. I don't think he's trolling; he really believes what he's saying and thinks it's well thought out. And he's not stupid, he's just a homer and like most college football fans is tired of watching Alabama be so good EVERY year.
Kannell and Galloway both really hurt ESPN's credibility.
Herbstreit is as good as it gets. In watching the Mich St/tOSU game I was amazed how unbiased Kirk was watching the team he QB'd toss their season down the drain. However, I understand why some of our fans took exception to his work tonight.
Kannell and Galloway both really hurt ESPN's credibility.
Herbstreit is as good as it gets. In watching the Mich St/tOSU game I was amazed how unbiased Kirk was watching the team he QB'd toss their season down the drain. However, I understand why some of our fans took exception to his work tonight.
The first thing I learned when I started officiating is very few announcers know the rules. That's where I got most of my rule knowledge so I had to unlearn quite a bit. They make official's jobs difficult because they spread so much incorrect information that people take as fact. Herbstreit is a good announcer but he is known by officials as someone who often gets rules wrong.
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"But as far as I could see, the ball DID NOT make it back to the LOS. He does have an obligation to report the FACTS. When Coker first threw it I couldn't tell"
As crimsonforce state earlier, it doesn't matter where the ball goes out of bounds, only where it lands. Here is the rule from the ncaa rule book.
h. The passer to conserve yardage throws the ball forward into an area where
there is no eligible Team A receiver (A.R. 7-3-2-I).
[Exception: If the passer is or has been outside the tackle box he may throw the
ball so that it crosses or lands beyond the neutral zone or neutral zone extended
(Rule 2-19-3) (A.R. 7-3-2-VIII-X). This applies only to the player who controls
the snap or the resulting backward pass.]
The part about "or neutral zone extended" is the key.
"But as far as I could see, the ball DID NOT make it back to the LOS. He does have an obligation to report the FACTS. When Coker first threw it I couldn't tell"
As crimsonforce state earlier, it doesn't matter where the ball goes out of bounds, only where it lands. Here is the rule from the ncaa rule book.
h. The passer to conserve yardage throws the ball forward into an area where
there is no eligible Team A receiver (A.R. 7-3-2-I).
[Exception: If the passer is or has been outside the tackle box he may throw the
ball so that it crosses or lands beyond the neutral zone or neutral zone extended
(Rule 2-19-3) (A.R. 7-3-2-VIII-X). This applies only to the player who controls
the snap or the resulting backward pass.]
The part about "or neutral zone extended" is the key.
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One thing that irked me about Herbstreit was on the Anderson late hit out of bounds. It was a push, it was excessive and unnecessary, and definitely should have been flagged. However, he made a comment that implied that Williams threw a forearm, when in reality he just put up his hands to protect himself.
For those who know the rule book, I can appreciate why they might be irritated by Kirk going on and on about the ball not crossing the line of scrimmage. Per the rule book:
"[Exception: If the passer is or has been outside the tackle box he may throw the ball so that it crosses or lands beyond the neutral zone or neutral zone extended (Rule 2-19-3).]"
In this case, the LOS extends beyond the sideline and the ball clearly landed beyond the LOS so no penalty.
Ah, so what I saw was right. Clearly landed beyond the LOS extended.
Kinda like the free throw line extended. Thanks 86!
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The rule makes sense because it is consistent with a receiver's ability to reach beyond the sideline or end line to make a catch -- the ball doesn't immediately become dead when crossing a boundary line and before being caught by a receiver.
Yep, it makes perfect sense. Maybe Kirk didn't know the rule in full.
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Catch call could have gone either way. I saw it like Herbstriet did. I did not think there was enough evidence to over turn the call if called either way, because of how hard it was to determine when the ball was controlled.
I totally agree with Herbstriet on the intentional grounding call. Every Bama fan in my living room agreed that the throw did not cross the line of scrimmage and there was no receiver in the area.
If you are looking for bias in Herbstriet then point out better examples.
For clarification I am not debating whether the calls were technically correct. I am just pointing out as a Bama fan, who is biased, saw it the same way.
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I totally agree with Herbstriet on the intentional grounding call. Every Bama fan in my living room agreed that the throw did not cross the line of scrimmage and there was no receiver in the area.
If you are looking for bias in Herbstriet then point out better examples.
For clarification I am not debating whether the calls were technically correct. I am just pointing out as a Bama fan, who is biased, saw it the same way.
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With all due respect, I suggest you reread the post i replied to. The original poster said sometimes herbstreit got on his nerves with some comments. I agreed to that post which is my right and my opinion. No where and i mean no where did i say Herbstreit should sing our praises or hold us to "a mighty fortress is our God" Herbstreit is a great analyst and sometimes things will be said that come across differently. This shouldnt upset you this much. After all , I am sure you have seen and taken things differently than someone else, have you not? I dont expect any analyst to worship us but I am entitled to say something like " I picked up on that as well" when replying to a poster without being labeled as promoting sacrilege correct?
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