DeBoer Gets Contract Extension and Raise

[Elefantman]

You get a bonus or raise when you meet or exceed expectations. CKD has not accomplished that as of yet. This whole thing feels like we are rewarding mediocrity.

 

[JDCrimson]

I think this contract renewals speaks more about the shape of our program that CKD inherited. It was probably oversold when CKD was hired. He had follow through on promises made by the AD to certain players who in hindsight likely weren't worth the promises made. The OL and NIL fund were not up to snuff. If Im CKD I would probably use those element as leverage on my buyout if fired too.

Not unreasonable if you consider from this perspective.

 

[Ledsteplin]

All I'll say is we better see some improvement from the offense.

Yep. IMO, The OL has been the main problem since day one of DeBoer's head coaching at Bama. Hopefully the new OL and OL coach changes that.

 

[DansVans]

I'm not a fan of DeBoer. I don't think he is a good fit for Bama or the SEC. I don't think he wins a single championship at Bama.

It will not take multiple 8-4 seasons for him to get fired. All it takes is for donors to stop giving. I think we are closer to that than many want to admit.

I think things will start getting very uncomfortable if ...

Yet again loses an ugly game to a bad team. Kentucky has me very nervous. This is the type of game he has lost at least once in each of his first 2 years at Bama.

The team continues to look bad on the road, especially in the first half.

If he continues to play mediocre, poor teams close instead of dominating and putting them away. He and his staff seem to have at least a game or 2 each year where it feels like they forget how to coach and look lost. I'm so tired of this one.


I know, I'm one of the whiners. I was never convinced he was the right hire, and I have not seen a single thing in 2 years to change my mind. I have seen several things that make me wish Bama had hired someone else.

The final record is not all that matters. Holding on to a coach because you are scared about who might be hired next is not always the right move. In his first 2 years, DeBoer's teams have looked poorly coached and underprepared in more games than I like to count. That should scare us all.

Do you not think having concerts to raise money for athletics & NIL is an indication the "Big Donors" may have shut their checkbooks?

I am still trying to determine why ALL our hires seem to have to go through Jimmy Sexton?? If the press is halfway right, a Sexton client is all that ever gets an interview since Byrne has been our AD.

 

[DansVans]

It used to be said that signing a coach to an extension was largely about recruiting, especially late in CNS's tenure at Bama.

We heard all kinds of "rumors" that Penn State targeted CKD. I personally never thought that would happen, but the talk was real and I'm sure every one of our rivals would have welcomed him walking away! The collective anti-Bama nation would have rejoiced and laughed!

But I do know that on Saturday we are expecting the signature of another top QB and I know we are hoping for Sales to "come home." Kirby could be whispering in Haven's ear about rumors of CKD being on "the hot seat."

TBC, I don't think this extension is totally about recruiting, but I do think it still plays a part in these things. Plus, you lose a coach these days and your whole team can hit the portal. All the assistants are gone, too, most likely. It's the kind of disruption that easily sets a program back at least a couple of years. When we saw CNS willingly stepping away, it hit us hard, and even though we hated it, it was a pretty smooth transition. Most coaching changes aren't!!!

In today's era of the portal and NIL stability is more important than ever. Plus, you have evidence now after two years, that CKD is showing he knows some of the steps to bring the program back closer to the Bama Standard.

And I'll echo a couple of earlier posts and also say, what coach is out there who would clearly be an upgrade that you were certain you could get???

For me personally. I'm a CKD fan and I really, really am rooting for his personal success, which means Bama football succeeds too!!!

The question is, How does the contract extension help recruiting? CKD already had 8 years left on a 10 year deal?

 

[DansVans]

Just posted on Yahoo Sports: After worst postseason defeat in school history, Alabama coach Kalen DeBoer gets 7-year contract extension and pay raise

FACT ........

 

[CrimsonTheory]

I'm fine with it. There is something to be said about having stability at HC, if you don't you end up like Auburn and replacing the HC every 3-5 years.

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

I think this contract renewals speaks more about the shape of our program that CKD inherited. It was probably oversold when CKD was hired. He had follow through on promises made by the AD to certain players who in hindsight likely weren't worth the promises made. The OL and NIL fund were not up to snuff. If Im CKD I would probably use those element as leverage on my buyout if fired too.

Not unreasonable if you consider from this perspective.

I think the further Bama moves away from players or anything tied to LANK, the better off DeBoer will be.

 

[DansVans]

This seems like a terrible deal for UA.

And ANOTHER GREAT DEAL FOR JIMMY SEXTON.
Seems all Byrne wil say to Sexton is "Yes Sir! Can I have another?"

 

[bamadwain]

Was deal good, probably,probably not, was it necessary, absolutely, the Michigan rumor was real, this contract was agreed on after the Oklahoma win in the playoffs, it'll work out, and for people saying if doesn't win this year he needs to be fired, who you going to get? Demeco isn't coming, Noone wants Dabo, no Lane train, and plus no coach will come after you extend a guy then cut him loose,plus we would have a mass exit of players, so we need to except it and move on,he'll get the job done

 

[AlexanderFan]

I don’t think it is a circumstance of most of the responders wanting DeBoer replaced currently. I think the reaction, mine included, is one of this being “too much, too soon”. Is there really anything in the first two years of CKD’s tenure that says “we better lock him in long term. He’s about to turn the corner here and folks will come knocking”? IMO not really. Do I want him to have success? Without question. Did I want him gone at the end of last year? Nope. By the same token, I’m not yet convinced in Year Three we’ll see substantial improvement. I do like the fact that he did recognize issues over his first two years and was committed to making changes. And I hope he proves Byrne’s decision as being the correct one. However, I simply don’t see anything he has done in his first two years to warrant a $2 million raise,, contract extension and increased buyout at this time.

Made the playoffs with an absolute joke of an offensive line and offensive line coach.

Deboer was the guy because he had a reputation of doing more with less inregards to football talent. Alabama finds itself mid elite tier and is going to need a coach who can get more juice out of the squeeze. He’s the best at that.

What he may not be the best at is raising the physicality of this team to the necessary level to win it all. He saw the need, he took steps, we will see where it leads.

I would also like to point out that three coaches didn’t get raises: Roach, Gillespie, and Grubb. I have no sources, but that is not a ringing endorsement of coaches who were at the head of the issues most of us identified through last year.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Yep. IMO, The OL has been the main problem since day one of DeBoer's head coaching at Bama. Hopefully the new OL and OL coach changes that.

You misspelled “last few years of Saban’s tenure”

 

[mikeua69]

You misspelled “last few years of Saban’s tenure”

Yep. It was all downhill after we hired Marrone.

 

[Ledsteplin]

You misspelled “last few years of Saban’s tenure”

I actually started typing that, but backed it up. And you're right, it did.

 

[TDBama78]

This reminds me of the old saying "throwing good money after bad". I hope he gets it fixed, we'll just have to watch it play out

 

[CrimsonTitles]

Something else DeBoer has done that I don't think he gets enough praise for, is that he has seemingly fixed the penalty issues that had been plaguing us since the last few years of the Saban era. It continued DeBoer's first year, and into the beginning year 2, but then one week the penalties just stopped, and we suddenly became the least penalized team in the SEC. That's not nothing, and definitely a sign that the program is headed in the right direction. If he can fix that, then I'm confident he can fix the OL and the running game too.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I think this contract renewals speaks more about the shape of our program that CKD inherited. It was probably oversold when CKD was hired. He had follow through on promises made by the AD to certain players who in hindsight likely weren't worth the promises made. The OL and NIL fund were not up to snuff. If Im CKD I would probably use those element as leverage on my buyout if fired too.

Not unreasonable if you consider from this perspective.

Jimmy Sexton is CKD's agent. If Jimmy Jingles thinks he can get another dime out of a corpse he's already bled dry, you can guarantee he will. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Sexton came across something he heard, read or just outright made up and presented it to Byrne and Co. just to see if they'd bite.

 

[CoolBreeze]

FACT ........

Some need to hope and pray that goulash will save them. Not many worries in this camp.

 

[AlexanderFan]

I actually started typing that, but backed it up. And you're right, it did.

Someone will find out what happened one day, I would love to know.

 

[arthurdawg]

You can like it. You can hate it.

Absent a total wheels-off Chizik / Freeze breakdown or an off-field blunder of major proportions (neither of which is likely) DeBoer is going nowhere.

The talking heads can bash. The ink-stained wretches (looking at you, Goodman) can type away. The callers can yammer. Posters can demand the second coming of Bryant or Saban.

Unless there's a massive meltdown (and consecutive 8-4s doesn't qualify), Kalen DeBoer will be in Tuscaloosa until at least 2031.

For those who wish otherwise, I ask my time-worn question: If you want to fire the current guy, who would you get who (1) represents such a significant and immediate upgrade that he warrants DeBoer's buyout, and (2) will realistically come.

Yeah, I'd prefer Kirby. I'd also prefer Ryan Day. Neither are coming. Dan Lanning is the only one I can think of who might, maybe, remotely qualify. And the word is he's already turned us down. Plus, at least until Phil Knight dies (and maybe longer, depending on Knight's heirs' priorities), Oregon has essentially bottomless pockets.

So if not DeBoer, who not named Anybody warrants a $50 million buyout and will come?

Very well said. The world has changed... And we would do better to use our funding as best we and be happy with a competitive team. We aren't likely to find a Saban any time soon, and that era has sailed...