Democrats Face Identity Crisis

Define "certain circumstances" and show me where the polled responses come from, and their ages.....then that poll means something. What I see is 29% for, 19% against and 51% that says "it depends"

People who are driven by circumstances are probably in the "rape", "incest" and "life of mother" crowd. They are not pro choicers.

I know that's where most people I know fall.
Pro-life and pro-choice are tribal, partisan terms. They are poorly-defined, politically charged labels that are relatively useless.

What I see in Gallup's polling is a trend line that's remained relatively stable for decades, in which only 19% of people think abortion should be outlawed entirely, and a majority of Americans (79%) support abortion in at least some circumstances.
 
But Americans voted for Trump. I don't believe for one minute that any Trump supporter is not a pro-life or anti-gay marriage. Trump brought over social cons who previously may have voted democrat for pocketbook reasons.

Americans voted for Clinton
States voted for Trump
 
Americans voted for Clinton
States voted for Trump

This only holds if you're arguing the states that voted for Trump don't have Americans.


Trump won in the only way that counts - just like Benjamin Harrison, Rutherford Hayes, and G W Bush did.

Her entire margin was in ONE state, so it would more correct to say, "Californians voted for Clinton while the rest of the country voted for Trump."
 
Pro-life and pro-choice are tribal, partisan terms. They are poorly-defined, politically charged labels that are relatively useless.

What I see in Gallup's polling is a trend line that's remained relatively stable for decades, in which only 19% of people think abortion should be outlawed entirely, and a majority of Americans (79%) support abortion in at least some circumstances.

I'd say 79% are against it under most circumstances
 
I read this somewhere years ago and IIRC it was attributed to Adolf Hitler, "A lie is just as good as the truth if people believe it". This applies not only to the current administration but every member of congress. It is a sad commentary that no one in the executive and legislative branch of our government can be trusted.
 
I'll jump out on a limb and say that until the Democratic party as a whole disavows and disassociates itself from the guerilla violence coming from the fringes, they will have a very difficult time winning any election outside of solid blue voting districts.
 
I read this somewhere years ago and IIRC it was attributed to Adolf Hitler, "A lie is just as good as the truth if people believe it". This applies not only to the current administration but every member of congress. It is a sad commentary that no one in the executive and legislative branch of our government can be trusted.

Agreed. Republican, Democrat, independent, male, female, conservative, liberal, moderate, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, gay, straight....no matter what label they have otherwise, every single one of them is a crook and wholly untrustworthy.

They will say or do anything for money or power.

I'd call them prostitutes, but Mrs. Basket Case says I shouldn't talk about whores that way.

I'll jump out on a limb and say that until the Democratic party as a whole disavows and disassociates itself from the guerilla violence coming from the fringes, they will have a very difficult time winning any election outside of solid blue voting districts.

Agreed.

The narrative from mainstram (read: liberal) media and democratic leadership has been, "Well, they shouldn't do that. But Trump is so bad, you can kind of understand it."

The general public is calling BS on this kind of message. And because so many Democratic voters live in bubbles wherein they're the overwhelming majority, and therefore hear essentially no credible dissent, they honestly don't understand just how out of touch they are.

The Democratic leadership has managed to alienate a former core constituency...the blue collar white man and woman. They keep telling half the population that they're stupid, bigoted, and beneath contempt, and don't understand why the objects of ridicule don't like it.

It's like they truly believe they can insult people into supporting their way of thinking.

Totally tone deaf.
 
I think it depends on how you ask the question..... if you listen/watch the media, I'd think that most would've guessed that the number was higher than 29%

They don't really qualify the question. So the 50% in favor of abortion in some circumstances probably includes the group, as you suggested, that only supports abortion in cases of rape/incest/fatal genetic flaw. But it probably also includes a much larger group that supports abortion during the first and second trimester, but not the third.
 
This only holds if you're arguing the states that voted for Trump don't have Americans.


Trump won in the only way that counts - just like Benjamin Harrison, Rutherford Hayes, and G W Bush did.

Her entire margin was in ONE state, so it would more correct to say, "Californians voted for Clinton while the rest of the country voted for Trump."
Thats a ridiculous mis-characterization of what I said. Reread the post I was replying to.
 
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Thats a ridiculous mis-characterization of what I said.
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Also, you must be new here.
 
Looks like those WaPo stories yesterday hit a nerve.

The President of the United States. Sigh. said:
The #AmazonWashingtonPost, sometimes referred to as the guardian of Amazon not paying internet taxes (which they should) is FAKE NEWS!
This raises a multitude of questions.

1) What's an "internet tax?"
2) Assuming he's talking about sales tax, is he unaware that Amazon customers already pay that in all applicable states?
3) Did the president truly just publicly threaten to punish the owner of a newspaper that has been critical of his administration using federal power? I await Republicans to be outraged.
 
Looks like those WaPo stories yesterday hit a nerve.

This raises a multitude of questions.

1) What's an "internet tax?"
2) Assuming he's talking about sales tax, is he unaware that Amazon customers already pay that in all applicable states?
3) Did the president truly just publicly threaten to punish the owner of a newspaper that has been critical of his administration using federal power? I await Republicans to be outraged.

iokiyar. if you are not, then the tone police will be sure to tell you exactly what you should be doing.
 
They don't really qualify the question. So the 50% in favor of abortion in some circumstances probably includes the group, as you suggested, that only supports abortion in cases of rape/incest/fatal genetic flaw. But it probably also includes a much larger group that supports abortion during the first and second trimester, but not the third.

Why do you think so many support 1st and 2nd trimester abortions, but are against 3rd trimester?
 
I don't know, but perhaps because they agree with the court's decision in Roe v Wade.

Where do you personally fall in this equation? I'm apparently in the 51% who say there are some circumstances where I understand it. That definitely doesn't make me in favor of abortion as a means of birth control. It means, that under certain circumstances, there may not be a better option.

I'm just trying to help get a better understanding. Because if 51% are accepting of some form of abortion - do we really think that those who:

1. Approve of Abortion only in the case of rape, incest or life of the mother
and
2. Approve only of first and second trimester abortions

should be placed in the same segment? There's no way to make a determination one way or another -- about what most American's believe -- if you put those two together.

Because all that tells me is that 29% are extreme in one direction and 19% are extreme in the other.
 
But Americans voted for Trump. I don't believe for one minute that any Trump supporter is not a pro-life or anti-gay marriage.

Maybe a great number of Americans just voted against Clinton? and Pelosi.

Politics can't change a persons sexual preference. Many Americans see gay marriage of sort of going down the rabbit hole, even though many enjoy watching "Modern Family" on TV but don't attend the local gay pride parade. Also in public venues few people will say killing a potential child is OK if the question is presented that way.
 
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I need to add I'm not against gay marriage. I'm not against giving a child a loving home regardless of the sexual orientation of the parents, but I don't see it as the ideal family situation.
It also presents the problem of two women can easily have a child from one of their wombs but a naturally born male married to another naturally born male can't.
So that's not fair, and we need everything fair to everyone.
 
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