Four Bama football players arrested, are dismissed from team

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Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

I agree with everything that you said. And as I have said ad nauseam, THE BLAME clearly is placed on these 4 adult men. But I still think CNS should be made to account on what if anything that he knew about the character of these men. Had anything changed while at the university especially with Eddie Williams. If it did, what were they doing about it? Like I said, he is the general and these were four of his "soldiers". and it was a very violent attack. I would expect CNS to address this in a press conference. I would certainly expect this as a parent of one of these students and I would expect it as the President of the University.
Would someone please excuse this troll? I've never flagged or called out anyone on here before but this is beginning to make me angry!

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I understand what you're saying and given your low post count I would assume you may not have viewed threads on Tidefans very long but the way CNS recruits (talent, character, grades, etc.) has been mentioned on here in various threads in the recruiting and football boards for several years now. The fact that you brought that up at all amazes most of us. That fact is a given with CNS and that is why you are getting the reaction you are from us or me specifically, I can't speak for others. That is why CNS does not like the limited contact with recruits because it hampers his evaluation of the total person.
Trust me I know this. You make any post that in anyway comes off as a critique on the program or the University(of which I attended), and you are immediately accused as being a "barner mole". I know not all of our recruits are going to be like Barrett but if these guys "just went off the deep end", then I would like to hear it from CNS. Hold him accountable to hear any details about the recruiting of Eddie for example, and whatever problems, IF ANY, that he developed after coming on campus, if any, and what they did to help him. Or what they could of done better. That is all that I am saying.
 

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he is the general and these were four of his "soldiers". and it was a very violent attack. I would expect CNS to address this in a press conference. I would certainly expect this as a parent of one of these students and I would expect it as the President of the University.
I'd have to be the last person to attack someone for lacking eloquence, or tact. So, I'm trying to give you the benefit of a doubt.

I simply think there's no way Nick Saban saw this coming and didn't do his best to stop it. So, to me it is either A: He had no idea or B: He did his best to stop it and failed. In either case, there is no pattern of this going on and I certainly hope we never see a pattern. While I feel for the victims, we have every reason to believe this was an aberration.

The problem is that the way you said things, placed doubt on Nick Saban's actions and there's no evidence to back that up. Are you familiar with Duron Carter? There is no evidence that Duron was a troublemaker, but he never met his obligations and as such was suspended indefinitely and never did play for Alabama. He was reputed to be (by a noticeable margin) the best receiver Alabama had on their roster. Think about the level of talent he had, think about what he could do as a player. If Nick Saban was the type to bend the rules, if he was the type to cut corners, he would have found a way to keep Duron on the team. Duron was dismissed, and unlike some other coaches there's no proof of Saban giving any players favorable treatment.

Without evidence the burden of proof falls on you. If you can't point out a pattern of Nick Saban recruiting "bad apples", if you can't find a history of Nick Saban covering up misdeeds of players, if you can't produce something to show us that what we know about Nick Saban is wrong, the calls for accountability ring hollow. He has a history of accountability, someone would have to disprove that in order to make that assertion.
 
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Good Lord. Here is the definition of accountable of which I speak.

[COLOR=#212121 !important]ac·count·a·ble[/COLOR]

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  1. (of a person, organization, or institution) Required or expected to justify actions or decisions; responsible.

I would expect that CNS would be held ACCOUNTABLE to insure that there was nothing in these boys character that they could of foreseen or to prevent this kind of attack. Or if there was, in terms, of Eddie Williams, what were they actively doing help him. That is ALL THAT I am saying. Good Lord!
What does he need to justify? Why the players weren't kept under lock and key and only let out to eat, attend class, and practice???? Our board, news articles, ESPN specials, etc. go into great depth about how detail-oriented CNS is with every aspect of our football program. For behavior issues, he has a student-led group that holds each other accountable for minor offenses. GA's constantly make sure the kids are in class; we have mentors/tutors/ academic advisors/ etc.

Just curious, but if there were no prior legal issues and good reports from the high schools, what else would you want CNS to consider? If the kid got into one fight in high school, should he be guarded at all times because he had one instance of violence? If he had a temper tantrum and cursed out a teacher, does he now have to be confined forever? You can't always prevent ppl from making bad/stupid/ immoral decisions.
 

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Would someone please excuse this troll? I've never flagged or called out anyone on here before but this is beginning to make me angry!

RTR!!!
In terms of being a troll, Bobby Lee Hurt was in my freshman english class at The Capstone.
 

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. I know not all of our recruits are going to be like Barrett but if these guys "just went off the deep end", then I would like to hear it from CNS. Hold him accountable to hear any details about the recruiting of Eddie for example, and whatever problems, IF ANY, that he developed after coming on campus, if any, and what they did to help him. Or what they could of done better. That is all that I am saying.
Student privacy laws and HIPAA prevent us from knowing all the information if there is stuff out there. I don't want CNS to violate federal law or confidentiality just to appease some in our fanbase with unrealistic expectations.
 

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According to coaches in high school, this was so unlike Eddie Williams. Is it possible that he could have been using some kind of drug that caused this behavior?
To be fair how many times do you ever see someone go yeah man I really expected him to knock the crap out of kids and steal their stuff?
 

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Back on the main subject...

After reading the police reports, I didn't see the written confessions, but the reports alluded to at least 2 of the 3 accused of robbery verifying their roles in it. To be fair to Hayes and Pettway, it sounds like they were just there for one of the incidents (but it sounds like they were actually involved in the other), so it may have been EW's last plunge before being removed as Earle has postulated taking a few guys with him.

It's tough to imagine EW escaping jail time from the reports. Two serious offenses in as many days and he sounds like the "ringleader" from the reports, or at a minimum, the instigator of 2 separate and severe beatings. I'd imagine Hayes and Pettway are gone as well if for no other reason but their violation of student policy. Calloway is the only one (imho) that has a chance of staying because he wasn't involved in the beating/robbery. But with a prior issue with MJ, if he does stay on the team, then he'll be neck deep in the doghouse.
 

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According to coaches in high school, this was so unlike Eddie Williams. Is it possible that he could have been using some kind of drug that caused this behavior?
I would bet a million bucks that cocaine was involved in some way, form or fashion but it's strictly speculation and really not fair for me to say it. But when a good kid suddenly has a total and complete change of his typical character and personality and develops a violent "No fear" attitude against the law and other people there's something present in his system that shouldn't be there. Just my opinion.
 

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In terms of being a troll, Bobby Lee Hurt was in my freshman english class at The Capstone.
I'm not questioning your school alliance, just your judgment about this matter.

If CNS was prophetic and could know the future, he would have stopped this.

But since we know he's not, what it seems you're suggesting is he knew something or saw something that would suggest EW might behave this way BUT he didn't stop it.

Do you really think that CNS would not have stopped this if he could have seen it coming. As Earl said much earlier in the thread they could have just as well killed the student.

Your comments are basically accusing CNS of covering up crime and you wonder why you are being questioned???
 
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Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

Back on the main subject...

After reading the police reports, I didn't see the written confessions, but the reports alluded to at least 2 of the 3 accused of robbery verifying their roles in it. To be fair to Hayes and Pettway, it sounds like they were just there for one of the incidents, so it may have been EW's last plunge before being removed as Earle has postulated.

It's tough to imagine EW escaping jail time from the reports. Two serious offenses in as many days and he sounds like the "ringleader" from the reports, or at a minimum, the instigator. I'd imagine Hayes and Pettway are gone as well if for no other reason but their violation of student policy. Calloway is the only one (imho) that has a chance of staying because he wasn't involved in the beating/robbery. But with a prior issue with MJ, if he does stay on the team, then he'll be neck deep in the doghouse.
In regards to Pettway and Hayes, if what you mean by "there" was participated then yes. From what I have read they participated in one of the beatings kicking the student in the back while he was down, for the second beating they just stood by and watched.
 

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Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

You just keep repeating the same things over and over. Have you read the various, specific responses to this at all?
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

OK, everyone drop the 'CNS accountability' talk, the assumptions that topic is based on are ludicrous.
 

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Considering that past events aren't always accurate predictors of future behavior, your entire premise is absurd, but I'll bite. Please clarify what you mean when you say "CNS should be made to account," and why so we'll all know if you're serious or just trolling hard.
You were typing this when I posted above, but no, he doesn't need to explain anything. It's an absurd premise in the first place, as it assumes CNS isn't already digging deeply into a player's character before the player is ever offered a scholarship. not to mention it assumes there is nothing in place to try to keep an eye on the young men on campus.
 

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You were typing this when I posted above, but no, he doesn't need to explain anything. It's an absurd premise in the first place, as it assumes CNS isn't already digging deeply into a player's character before the player is ever offered a scholarship. not to mention it assumes there is nothing in place to try to keep an eye on the young men on campus.
That's my bad. Didn't see your post CA.
 

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In regards to Pettway and Hayes, if what you mean by "there" was participated then yes. From what I have read they participated in one of the beatings kicking the student in the back while he was down, for the second beating they just stood by and watched.
Yeah, I edited my post because I meant to say that they were involved in one incident and "bystanders" or 'spectators' for the other. I didn't mean to imply I thought they were along for the ride, just that they weren't the guys who threw the first punch. I think they'll be gone come June too.
 
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