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AlexanderFan said:
His HC was Michigan’s DC for the cheating gate. He’s a Ravens disciple I do believe. He might have wanted a more physical approach.
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So let me get this right...

First year head coach goes out and hire's a first year NFL OC who has a track record of throwing the football. OC comes in and throws the football, pretty damn well at that, and he fires him because he didn't like him doing what he has always done? Sounds about right
 
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cdub55 said:
So let me get this right...

First year head coach goes out and hire's a first year NFL OC who has a track record of throwing the football. OC comes in and throws the football, pretty damn well at that, and he fires him because he didn't like him doing what he has always done? Sounds about right
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That really didn't make sense to me either. You hire a guy who likes to throw the ball so just the fact that they hired this type of guy would make one think the HC wants to lean on the pass. That is what Grubb did and apparently, the knock against him was he didn't run the ball enough. Shouldn't they have known that when they were considering hiring him? :rolleyes:
 
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CrimsonTitles said:
It's not often I find myself wanting to place a bet, but that over seems about as sure of a thing as you could get. I cannot envision a world where we win 8 games or less with everything we have returning. I'm tempted to drive to a sports gambling state to get in on that over. Absolute steal.
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Our schedule is still a beast next year, and we still need to develop a lot more toughness and physicality on the line. We could put things together and win 11 or 12 next year, but we could also regress some more and lose four or five. I really hope to hear good things coming out of the spring practices to give me some hope and increase my "give a crap" once again.
 
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TiderJack said:
Certainly????? Geno threw for more yards than he has in any season and had his highest completion percentage and best record in his career. His TD/Int ratio not great but I still think this was his best year and certainly using the word "certainly" it was not is inaccurate.
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15 interceptions and only 21 TD passes??? Give me a break.
 
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AlexanderFan said:
Just seems like you’re making excuses for Milroe is all.
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I just wanted to set the record straight on this. That's not it at all. However I would counter that a lot of the defense of Sheridan seems to come down to just wanting to blame everything on Milroe. A car can have two flat tires, but some people seem to need to defend Sheridan despite him having done nothing noteworthy in his entire career and I'm not sure why.

Part of the issue I have with Sheridan is that he relied too much on Milroe. Even after it became clear he could be a liability, Sheridan kept trying to do the same thing while Justice Haynes for example collected dust.

I've gone over the stats. The worst passing season Milroe had as a starter was under Sheridan. The worst passing season (out of 5, including at Indiana prior to Sheridan becoming OC) Penix had was under Sheridan. No offense got better under Sheridan, no quarterback got better under Sheridan, and he got replaced both times he became OC. Sheridan literally ran one of the worst offenses in college football and his head coach took a pay cut to get rid of him (the offense still wasn't great after he left but the ranking moved up 23 spots despite still having bad QB play).

It doesn't really matter though, he's been replaced as playcaller. I explained why he needed to be replaced before he was replaced but it's done now so that's that.
 
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KrAzY3 said:
I just wanted to set the record straight on this. That's not it at all. However I would counter that a lot of the defense of Sheridan seems to come down to just wanting to blame everything on Milroe. A car can have two flat tires, but some people seem to need to defend Sheridan despite him having done nothing noteworthy in his entire career and I'm not sure why.

Part of the issue I have with Sheridan is that he relied too much on Milroe. Even after it became clear he could be a liability, Sheridan kept trying to do the same thing while Justice Haynes for example collected dust.

I've gone over the stats. The worst passing season Milroe had as a starter was under Sheridan. The worst passing season (out of 5, including at Indiana prior to Sheridan becoming OC) Penix had was under Sheridan. No offense got better under Sheridan, no quarterback got better under Sheridan, and he got replaced both times he became OC. Sheridan literally ran one of the worst offenses in college football and his head coach took a pay cut to get rid of him (the offense still wasn't great after he left but the ranking moved up 23 spots despite still having bad QB play).

It doesn't really matter though, he's been replaced as playcaller. I explained why he needed to be replaced before he was replaced but it's done now so that's that.
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Fair points.
After seeing Milroe under three different OCs and two different head coaches, we pretty much know what we got.
With Sheridan, we really don't know what he could have done with a more talented roster with someone other than Milroe at QB. As you point out, though, the performance of Sheridan's past offenses did not knock your socks off. Maybe Sheridan has something yet to learn as an OC and maybe he never will.
 
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KrAzY3 said:
I just wanted to set the record straight on this. That's not it at all. However I would counter that a lot of the defense of Sheridan seems to come down to just wanting to blame everything on Milroe. A car can have two flat tires, but some people seem to need to defend Sheridan despite him having done nothing noteworthy in his entire career and I'm not sure why.

Part of the issue I have with Sheridan is that he relied too much on Milroe. Even after it became clear he could be a liability, Sheridan kept trying to do the same thing while Justice Haynes for example collected dust.

I've gone over the stats. The worst passing season Milroe had as a starter was under Sheridan. The worst passing season (out of 5, including at Indiana prior to Sheridan becoming OC) Penix had was under Sheridan. No offense got better under Sheridan, no quarterback got better under Sheridan, and he got replaced both times he became OC. Sheridan literally ran one of the worst offenses in college football and his head coach took a pay cut to get rid of him (the offense still wasn't great after he left but the ranking moved up 23 spots despite still having bad QB play).

It doesn't really matter though, he's been replaced as playcaller. I explained why he needed to be replaced before he was replaced but it's done now so that's that.
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KrAzY3 said:
I just wanted to set the record straight on this. That's not it at all. However I would counter that a lot of the defense of Sheridan seems to come down to just wanting to blame everything on Milroe. A car can have two flat tires, but some people seem to need to defend Sheridan despite him having done nothing noteworthy in his entire career and I'm not sure why.

Part of the issue I have with Sheridan is that he relied too much on Milroe. Even after it became clear he could be a liability, Sheridan kept trying to do the same thing while Justice Haynes for example collected dust.

I've gone over the stats. The worst passing season Milroe had as a starter was under Sheridan. The worst passing season (out of 5, including at Indiana prior to Sheridan becoming OC) Penix had was under Sheridan. No offense got better under Sheridan, no quarterback got better under Sheridan, and he got replaced both times he became OC. Sheridan literally ran one of the worst offenses in college football and his head coach took a pay cut to get rid of him (the offense still wasn't great after he left but the ranking moved up 23 spots despite still having bad QB play).

It doesn't really matter though, he's been replaced as playcaller. I explained why he needed to be replaced before he was replaced but it's done now so that's that.
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Nobody is defending Sheridan, people are simply pointing out that he had Milroe at quarterback this year, and was play caller for a younger Penix who was surrounded by Indiana talent in the big ten. What do you expect his numbers to be? I’m sure he has weaknesses as a play caller, but how can you ascertain those weaknesses when the quarterback and talent level deficiencies are far more obvious?
 
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Tidewater said:
Maybe Sheridan has something yet to learn as an OC and maybe he never will.
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I think you are more succinctly getting to the point. Sheridan is still only 36, he might grow into the role, but watching his failure to make adjustment when things were not going well was a testament to his lack of experience. He was an obvious emergency hire, but I'm not sure people got just how unqualified he was (despite assertions to the contrary there were people who stated they wanted him as OC next year which I found inexplicable).

Nick Sheridan has only been an OC for 3 years, counting last season. He has only actually worked under DeBoer four years. He might end up turning into a good OC after a few more years under Grubb/DeBoer but he's not there yet.
AlexanderFan said:
What do you expect his numbers to be?
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Something like his 2019 numbers at Indiana where he had a 157 rating before Sheridan took over? The idea that Penix couldn't perform well at Indiana is betrayed by the fact he did perform better at Indiana prior to Sheridan, he just ended up going into a tailspin when Sheridan was his OC.
 
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AlexanderFan said:
Nobody is defending Sheridan, people are simply pointing out that he had Milroe at quarterback this year, and was play caller for a younger Penix who was surrounded by Indiana talent in the big ten. What do you expect his numbers to be? I’m sure he has weaknesses as a play caller, but how can you ascertain those weaknesses when the quarterback and talent level deficiencies are far more obvious?
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The problem was we were caught in a double whammy. We had an OC (much like Tommy Rees) who wasn't experienced enough to deal with a QB with the amount of flaws Milroe had. Then we had a QB who wasn't talented enough to take advantage of the playcalling when it did produce opportunities. That's a bad combination. I'm glad Sheridan is back where he was originally hired and I'm glad Milroe has moved on. Both moves should benefit our offense in 2025.
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
The problem was we were caught in a double whammy. We had an OC (much like Tommy Rees) who wasn't experienced enough to deal with a QB with the amount of flaws Milroe had. Then we had a QB who wasn't talented enough to take advantage of the playcalling when it did produced opportunities. That's a bad combination. I'm glad Sheridan is back where he was originally hired and I'm glad Milroe has moved on. Both moves should benefit our offense in 2025.
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I'm afraid you could dig up Lombardi's corpse and it would also lack the experience needed to fix Milroe...
 
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cdub55 said:
I'm afraid you could dig up Lombardi's corpse and it would also lack the experience needed to fix Milroe...
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The irony is that this is largely correct AND it's also true that the average HS QB coach/OC could've taught him what he needs when he was in 8th-10th grades
 
KrAzY3 said:
I think you are more succinctly getting to the point. Sheridan is still only 36, he might grow into the role, but watching his failure to make adjustment when things were not going well was a testament to his lack of experience. He was an obvious emergency hire, but I'm not sure people got just how unqualified he was (despite assertions to the contrary there were people who stated they wanted him as OC next year which I found inexplicable).

Nick Sheridan has only been an OC for 3 years, counting last season. He has only actually worked under DeBoer four years. He might end up turning into a good OC after a few more years under Grubb/DeBoer but he's not there yet.
Something like his 2019 numbers at Indiana where he had a 157 rating before Sheridan took over? The idea that Penix couldn't perform well at Indiana is betrayed by the fact he did perform better at Indiana prior to Sheridan, he just ended up going into a tailspin when Sheridan was his OC.
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Sheridan will be a good OC coach and he did decent job despite what happened this past season. He'll just continue to get better and I'm willing to bet that he'll do better job next time he get a chance. We have to remember Sark was in same boat.
 
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bamajas said:
The irony is that this is largely correct AND it's also true that the average HS QB coach/OC could've taught him what he needs when he was in 8th-10th grades
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Can lead a horse to water...

I am 100% sure that many coaches tried to teach him what he needed to learn. He either just can't get it, just can't execute it, or just thought he knew better and that he'd let them all know otherwise.

I'm even starting to wonder if BOB didn't so much tell him he couldn't play QB, but instead told him that he had to really improve in certain areas if he wanted to be able to play QB, and that if he didn't do those things, he didn't have a great chance.
 
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