The War for Independence (1919-1921) cost way fewer lives that the Irish Civil War (Free Staters vs the IRA refuseniks 1922-1923). The Civil War was really bloody. Michael Collins was one of the casualties.
Hamas attacks Israel - Part 2
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The British saying "The Bloody Irish" has more than one meaning...
This brings me to one bone of contention in more than one case.
In 1848, the US was beating Mexico like a drum. They had occupied Mexico City, defeated every army Mexico threw at them. It was easily within the power of the United States to annex all of Mexico. In exchange for only annexing part of Mexico, the Mexican government agreed to cede part (California and Tejas). For adherents of the Mexican government today to accept the benefits (cessation of the war and incomplete annexation) while attempting to deny the winner the agreed-upon price is disingenuous.
Likewise, in 1918, Germany was losing the Great War. In exchange for not completely destroying, occupying and carving up Germany, the Allies agreed to allow Germany to remain intact, in exchange for the benefits awarded to the Alllies. For Germany to go back 20 years later and say, "This treaty was too harsh. We want to renegotiate it." The Allies should have said, "Fine, let's go back to the situation on November 11, 1918, with a German army collapsing, a German people starving slowly to death, and a victorious Allied army advancing inexorably toward Germany, then we can renegotiate."
The Allies had paid a heck of a cost to reach that point. The loser cannot accept the benefits of the deal (cessation of the war) and deny the winners their benefits.
Don't like the deal? Then don't accept the deal. Let the beatings continue.
In 1848, the US was beating Mexico like a drum. They had occupied Mexico City, defeated every army Mexico threw at them. It was easily within the power of the United States to annex all of Mexico. In exchange for only annexing part of Mexico, the Mexican government agreed to cede part (California and Tejas). For adherents of the Mexican government today to accept the benefits (cessation of the war and incomplete annexation) while attempting to deny the winner the agreed-upon price is disingenuous.
Likewise, in 1918, Germany was losing the Great War. In exchange for not completely destroying, occupying and carving up Germany, the Allies agreed to allow Germany to remain intact, in exchange for the benefits awarded to the Alllies. For Germany to go back 20 years later and say, "This treaty was too harsh. We want to renegotiate it." The Allies should have said, "Fine, let's go back to the situation on November 11, 1918, with a German army collapsing, a German people starving slowly to death, and a victorious Allied army advancing inexorably toward Germany, then we can renegotiate."
The Allies had paid a heck of a cost to reach that point. The loser cannot accept the benefits of the deal (cessation of the war) and deny the winners their benefits.
Don't like the deal? Then don't accept the deal. Let the beatings continue.
I dont think its bad choices more like...
Better watch out that dog will bite you...
Better watch out that dog will bite you...
In Israel, there are factions within factions and all have varied views on Israel's actions as of late. Many do feel that Netanyahu is pursuing his present course for his own sake, as do a lot of US Jews. I am one of them. I feel that by doing this, he's playing right into the goals of Hamas and making matters worse for Jews worldwide. I also believe he has authoritarian goals and I do think he should be in jail. I don't live in Israel so I don't get to choose. I also have no solutions to offer. The hatred on---uh oh---"both sides" has been part of the ether for a long time, now. I grew up going to Synagogue, religious school and Hebrew school. We stood in religious school and said the US Pledge of Allegiance and then sang Hatikvah, Israel's National Anthem. I am definitely a Zionist. I was raised that way but as I understood more, I began to grasp why Jews need Israel more fully. Along with most Jews I know, I still feel that way because Israel stands for hope. That's what Hatikvah means. Hope. What's happening now hurts very badly. I wonder how my parents would feel if they were still here to see this.
I'm not Jewish, but I did live in Tiberias. I used to drive through the West Bank every week.
I think the Israelis can be quite reasonable, but their enemies are undisciplined (in the sense of leadership makes a deal but there is always somebody seeking to break the agreement and restart the fighting). That indiscipline makes it difficult to make a deal with them.
The Palestinians could put a stop this tomorrow, point out the Hamas leadership to the Israelis or kill the Hamas leadership themselves. Stopping the war before Hamas is eradicated would be like stopping the Second World War in January 1945 saying, "The German people have suffered so much. Let's leave the current regime in charge and make peace now." That would not have been wise.
The fact that Israeli ops play into Hamas' hands means that the Palestinians are not yet ready to throw in the towel.
I definitely agree that Palestinians have refused to help themselves repeatedly. They've elected to be led by terrorists so they're going to be constantly under that influence. I only know the long history of the Palestinian territory from reading and documentaries and most of that was from my side of the issue. I will not know any of it from an insider's point of view other than knowing and having known Israelis who visit or live here now. Most of them have held a dim view of Palestinians. I know their understanding of culture, government and outlook has been much influenced by Western world thinking. Eastern European and western, certainly Jews who managed their way to what has always been thought of as the Jewish Homeland. Whenever managing to escape horrors someplace else, they went to other parts of Europe, here or the Homeland. My relatives came here. It's going to be hard to see things from another's point of view. Can they ever eliminate Hamas? By that, I mean without another such element rising to take its place? Anger, hatred and resentment isn't born from nothing. I truly believe what's going on now will just breed more and not just due to propaganda or encouragement of those things by leadership but from suffering and horrifying loss. Having everything ripped away, your loved ones, your home, your life, affects people no matter who they are or who is to blame. They may be ripe for evolving into something worse. This is just me pondering and worrying outloud.
Eventually, the pounding the Germans took led them to forcefully reject Nazism. Earl has related a story of a neighbor of his who was living in a German village in 1945. She was overjoyed to see the Americans come to town in 1945, not because she loved Americans, but because being within American lines meant the bombing would finally stop.
If I was Planetary Commander, I would tell Gazans, "Hamas has led you to this situation. They precipitated this war. They steal your food. Their leaders live in luxury hotels in Dubai while you suffer. Tell us wherever Hamas is hiding, or kill them yourself, then get away from Hamas because bad things are going to happen to them. When Hamas is gone, the fighting stops and the building can begin."
I would set of a tip line which Gazans could call to tell the IDF where the Hamas terrorists are, then conduct raids to kill/capture Hamas or bomb their hideouts from the air.
The reason the fighting cannot stop is Hamas. The reason aid cannot get to survivors is Hamas. The reason rebuilding cannot begin is Hamas.
Actually, Lene hadn't been "living" there that long, though it was her hometown. She worked in the Reichskanzlei in Berlin. In fact, she earned the Iron Cross, 2nd Class, for rescuing records from a fire. You don't get much more German than that. At the end, people just started walking home, wherever "home" was. In her case, it was a village in southern Swabia, named Laupheim, 400 miles away, sandwiched between the two fronts. However, that's not the point. You describe a very Western response, a reasonable one. I share MM's unease that a combination of culture and religion will cause the invention of another Hamas...
This is an interesting and very current problem.
Video gets posted showing Palestinians going tothe US/Israeli aid distribution point and receiving food.
Guy named Hamid Bandaas says it is AI-generated.
BBC AI veideo investigator says it appears real.
Daily Wire says it got it from Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
ANother guy on Twitter says, the GHF is a front organization for the Mossad.
This is one of those times when having a really honest news organization that habitually surrender to its biases and reports facts in as unbiased fashion as possible would be really really useful. Sadly, I think we are out of those.
Video gets posted showing Palestinians going tothe US/Israeli aid distribution point and receiving food.
Guy named Hamid Bandaas says it is AI-generated.
BBC AI veideo investigator says it appears real.
Daily Wire says it got it from Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
ANother guy on Twitter says, the GHF is a front organization for the Mossad.
This is one of those times when having a really honest news organization that habitually surrender to its biases and reports facts in as unbiased fashion as possible would be really really useful. Sadly, I think we are out of those.
Didn't AI/GUI finish them off? My wife and I have a code word, in case of a "distress" call from the other, since that's a popular scam these days. I'm pretty well proof against the "jury service, "IRS put you in jail, etc" type of scam...
Each of the statements I posted is plausible.
Is it possible Israel and the US have opened a humanitarian aid center to bypass Hamas and the UN.
It is possible Palestinians have flocked there to get aid.
It is possible that the video was AI generated. (I have seen fake videos, but the inexpensive ones look funny. Mossad probably has a good AI generator)
It is possible that the Mossad produced a fake video that painted Israel in the best light possible.
It is possible that Hamas had one of its bots post something undermining the credibility of the video.
Having reliable nonbiased humans from an organization known for reliability on the ground with video cameras would be valuable to the wider world.
"Singapore will recognise the state of Palestine when it has an effective government that accepts Israel's right to exist. It must also categorically renounce terrorism."
Unlike the West, Singapore seems to still have some common sense.
Don't reward terrorism. Simple.
Unlike the West, Singapore seems to still have some common sense.
Don't reward terrorism. Simple.
Schotwonden bij Palestijnse kinderen wijzen op gericht vuur
Artsen zagen in Gaza een verontrustend patroon: kinderen met een enkele schotwond in hoofd of borst, een teken dat er gericht op ze is geschoten. Dat blijkt uit onderzoek van de Volkskrant, die sprak met de artsen die behoren tot de laatste internationale ooggetuigen.
Note: If you follow the link, the article will display in English.
No amount of terrorism gives a country the right to do what they are doing in Gaza. I thought the civilian deaths our military caused in the wars after 9/11 were disgusting, but targeting children. That is nothing but pure evil, like pits of hell evil. "Hamas does it too" is not a good enough excuse; there are no justifications "good enough". Israel must be held accountable for the atrocities they are committing.
I'm not justifying it, just somewhat explaining the way Israel sees it. The 'civilians' are not collateral damage. They are complicit because the vast majority support Hamas. I've heard Israeli spokesmen say that a few times.
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