Indiana (Sign Stealing)

[bamadwain]

That you can remember but it is not unprecedented.

Nebraska 38 Alabama 6

We were out of the Nebraska game when the ball kicked off!

 

[92tide]

Opposing teams didn’t have to worry about stealing Bama’s signs when the offense has been largely one dimensional for the last three years, with no consistent run game outside of Milroe scrambling.

be fair now, we had nearly an infinite number of ways to run the ball into defenders

 

[rolltide7854]

Oh yeah, athletes (no matter the age) are highly competitive and most of the time if you've got a set of truly good young athletes, they'll come up with their own "sign stealing system" to help each other without the coach even knowing it. My 12U team has done that this spring. I literally have not told, practiced, or encouraged any of my players to steal signs. However, they are now reaching that age where they are going into puberty and their minds are developing along with their bodies. So, they are coming up with their own ideas and strategies to get an edge. I applaud it. It means they are thinking for themselves, which is what every coach of any youth baseball team should want.

This group right here, LOL!, is a highly, highly competitive group. These little savages will steal your signs, your wives, daughters and your girlfriends. Be careful! LOL!

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I miss those days; my son is 37 now.

 

[92tide]

That you can remember but it is not unprecedented.

Nebraska 38 Alabama 6

i broke my collar bone during that game doing 2 1/2 year old running around the house stuff and saved my dad the humiliation of having to watch all of it

 

[AlexanderFan]

i broke my collar bone during that game doing 2 1/2 year old running around the house stuff and saved my dad the humiliation of having to watch all of it

TEAM PLAYER!

 

[OconeeTide]

I might be a tad miffed about this if the game was close, or we had a remotely healthy starting QB at that point in the season.


But we didn't.
On the bright side i feel like it kind of forced CKD to augment his approach to the program.

 

[oldtimetider]

That you can remember but it is not unprecedented.

Nebraska 38 Alabama 6

Yep... That one was ugly!

 

[davefrat]

That you can remember but it is not unprecedented.

Nebraska 38 Alabama 6

I was 2 years old for that one.

 

[BamaMoon]

I might be a tad miffed about this if the game was close, or we had a remotely healthy starting QB at that point in the season.


But we didn't.
On the bright side i feel like it kind of forced CKD to augment his approach to the program.

That's a great point. A loss like that makes you look in the mirror.

All great coaches tweak their philosophies. Coach Bryant did it in the 70's when he implemented the wishbone. Coach Saban did it when he brought in Lane and started recruiting game changing QBs. On the basketball side, I think we are seeing CNO make a philosophy change to bulk up and get bigger with guys that will impact defense and rebounding!

If this loss solidified CKD's decision to understand what we need to avoid these type of losses, it will be worth it in the long run!

 

[Joefus]

I by no means think we had a championship team at any point of the season but that still doesn’t mean we can’t hate Indiana for being slimy

 

[rolltide7854]

I was 2 years old for that one.

I was 16, I had to drive to my uncle's to watch the game because my little sister pitched a fit because she wanted to watch cartoons. By the time I got there it was already 14-0.

 

[countrytider]

This reflects poorly on the Staff and especially Wommack.

I mean they knew IU did this but didn’t do anything about it before playing them?

That makes our staff sound like lazy morons and whiners to boot.

Hopefully this is pure gossip and more inaccurate than accurate.

I wouldn’t knowingly post gossip. I know the rules. This is what Wommack told my friend directly.

He didn’t use it as a reason for us getting physically whipped. More so as a reason for the outlier of a season the ended with Indiana as National Champions.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Ignoring the final score for a second.....With the exception of one really important line, the stats of the Alabama - Nebraska game were actually pretty even.


The big bugaboo was turnovers. Not only did we have four turnovers (plus three other fumbles that we recovered) to their two, ours happened in really bad parts of the field -- deep in our own territory, giving the Huskers a super-short field, or deep in the Huskers territory, costing us points. Plus, we gave up a NOT in the form of a long punt return.

Now, if Nebraska had had a longer field, they might have just piled up more yards and scored anyway. But we were doing OK when we weren't busy turning the ball over.

As opposed to the Indiana game where we weren't even close to competitive. Got dope-slapped in every aspect of that game:



So yes, the scores were similar. The methods by which we lost were entirely different.

 

[CB4]

Ignoring the final score for a second.....With the exception of one really important line, the stats of the Alabama - Nebraska game were actually pretty even.
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The big bugaboo was turnovers. Not only did we have four turnovers (plus three other fumbles that we recovered) to their two, ours happened in really bad parts of the field -- deep in our own territory, giving the Huskers a super-short field, or deep in the Huskers territory, costing us points. Plus, we gave up a NOT in the form of a long punt return.

Now, if Nebraska had had a longer field, they might have just piled up more yards and scored anyway. But we were doing OK when we weren't busy turning the ball over.

As opposed to the Indiana game where we weren't even close to competitive. Got dope-slapped in every aspect of that game:

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So yes, the scores were similar. The methods by which we lost were entirely different.

It was turnovers and Johnny Roger’s’ punt return at the end of first quarter that put us behind the eight ball early.

I was 11 years old when they played this game. I, like many Bama fans, remembered it as a “drubbing”. It was only when I went back about 10-15 years ago and watched the game in its entirety that I realized it wasn’t the “drubbing” I remembered. We were our own worst enemy, and to Nebraska’s credit, they made the most of it..

 

[TideEngineer08]

Ignoring the final score for a second.....With the exception of one really important line, the stats of the Alabama - Nebraska game were actually pretty even.
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The big bugaboo was turnovers. Not only did we have four turnovers (plus three other fumbles that we recovered) to their two, ours happened in really bad parts of the field -- deep in our own territory, giving the Huskers a super-short field, or deep in the Huskers territory, costing us points. Plus, we gave up a NOT in the form of a long punt return.

Now, if Nebraska had had a longer field, they might have just piled up more yards and scored anyway. But we were doing OK when we weren't busy turning the ball over.

As opposed to the Indiana game where we weren't even close to competitive. Got dope-slapped in every aspect of that game:

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So yes, the scores were similar. The methods by which we lost were entirely different.

After I posted that, I went and looked at the stats and saw this. I wondered if someone would chime in and give thoughts on whether or not we actually got physically whipped in that game or if we simply fumbled the game away.

That was the first season of Coach Bryant's shift to the wishbone and of course, that offense was seriously prone to fumbles with all of the fakes and pitches.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

That's a great point. A loss like that makes you look in the mirror.

All great coaches tweak their philosophies. Coach Bryant did it in the 70's when he implemented the wishbone. Coach Saban did it when he brought in Lane and started recruiting game changing QBs. On the basketball side, I think we are seeing CNO make a philosophy change to bulk up and get bigger with guys that will impact defense and rebounding!

If this loss solidified CKD's decision to understand what we need to avoid these type of losses, it will be worth it in the long run!

It shouldn't be just this loss. It should be the accumulation of his first two years and his offense getting mandhandled, his offensive lines getting mandhandled, his offensive coaching staffs getting outcoached, etc. There's enough things there that if he can't see he needs to make a lot of philosophical changes, there's really nothing else left that could happen to open his eyes.

 

[BamaMoon]

It shouldn't be just this loss. It should be the accumulation of his first two years and his offense getting mandhandled, his offensive lines getting mandhandled, his offensive coaching staffs getting outcoached, etc. There's enough things there that if he can't see he needs to make a lot of philosophical changes, there's really nothing else left that could happen to open his eyes.

I'm sure there was a cumulative effect.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

After I posted that, I went and looked at the stats and saw this. I wondered if someone would chime in and give thoughts on whether or not we actually got physically whipped in that game or if we simply fumbled the game away.

That was the first season of Coach Bryant's shift to the wishbone and of course, that offense was seriously prone to fumbles with all of the fakes and pitches.

Nebraska had a great team. They likely would have won anyway.

But if the damage from turnovers had been equal, we would definitely have been competitive.

So no, we didn’t get physically whipped. On that front, we gave as good as we got.

But leave the ball on the grass five times against the #1 team, and you’re probably going to lose badly.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Nebraska had a great team. They likely would have won anyway.

But if the damage from turnovers had been equal, we would definitely have been competitive.

So no, we didn’t get physically whipped. On that front, we gave as good as we got.

But leave the ball on the grass five times against the #1 team, and you’re probably going to lose badly.

Especially eye candy fumbles: with reads and pulling the ball out of the belly, and pitching the ball, the counters involved with the wishbone, that ball always seems to bounce weird when those fumbles happen.

 

[mlh]

It shouldn't be just this loss. It should be the accumulation of his first two years and his offense getting mandhandled, his offensive lines getting mandhandled, his offensive coaching staffs getting outcoached, etc. There's enough things there that if he can't see he needs to make a lot of philosophical changes, there's really nothing else left that could happen to open his eyes.

On one hand, I think he will make the changes necessary to win in the SEC. He's won at every stop, at every level, and you can't do that without figuring out what works and implementing it.

On the other hand, I'm concerned that he won't make the philosophical adjustments necessary to win in the SEC. This is his offense. This is what he's developed over the years. He may believe he just needs better talent to make it work. And that might be the case. But I'm not sure he's going to make wholesale changes to his offense. Like Mike Leach who never gave up on his Air Raid offense, even though it never really worked against SEC-level talent.

Only time will tell.