BREAKING Joe Biden pardons his son, Hunter

[mdb-tpet]

I believe that taxation is theft...

Taxation is theft is the same as driving on the interstate is trespassing. You can't have functioning country without paying for it somehow by the people who are accessing the thing that was built for them and everything needs maintenance. If you have a new magical way of paying for all of our public needs without taxation, bring it on, but Libertarinaism is and always will be a magical unicorn dream.

 

[Huckleberry]

Biden’s Pardon of Hunter Further Undermines His Legacy

By granting clemency to his son, the President put his family above the American people.

New Yorker Link

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Until I lived in Oregon, so did I. No longer...

I have heard some rather serious rumblings from out that way. I always viewed hard drug use as Darwinism in action, but did so without considering the societal implications if more than expected numbers of people went that route.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

I have heard some rather serious rumblings from out that way. I always viewed hard drug use as Darwinism in action, but did so without considering the societal implications if more than expected numbers of people went that route.

In Oregon and in West Coast cities I frequent, empirically there seem to be far more externalities with decriminalized drug use than with legal alcohol consumption...

 

[AWRTR]

What is the up side for President Biden? Like I said, his political career is over. He doesn't have to save face for anyone that actually matters in his life right now. You think he really cares what the media, the public or the politicians that kicked him to the curb, think right now.

You make a great point. What does he care if this hurts the Dems. They threw him to the curb so they can go fly a kite. If this causes them problems so what? I doubt it really does. This is personal to him. I don’t see it transferring to any candidate.

 

[crimsonaudio]

What does Joe Biden care at this point, his political career is over.

Yeah, principles, schminciples!

At least we now know that both Biden and Trump are bald-faced liars.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Biden’s Pardon of Hunter Further Undermines His Legacy

By granting clemency to his son, the President put his family above the American people.

New Yorker Link

Looks like the link is broken.

 

[Bazza]

Yeah, principles, schminciples!

At least we now know that both Biden and Trump are bald-faced liars.

Joe Biden Lying? Goes way back. Even had to withdraw from his 1988 presidential campaign because of it:

Joe Biden 1988 presidential campaign - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'll also suggest that those in the past who have tried to defend him here.....knew inside what a schmuck he was. But they didn't have a choice and had to defend him. Standard fare for social media platforms....and yes.....on both sides.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I'll also suggest that those in the past who have tried to defend him here.....knew inside what a schmuck he was. But they didn't have a choice and had to defend him. Standard fare for social media platforms....and yes.....on both sides.

Hence the binary thinking we often talk about. It's team a vs team b, with no nuance.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Primary takeaway from this thread: it’s OK to do bad stuff if the people you disagree with do it too.

SMH

Nah, man. You are missing the point entirely. The Dems were as wise as philosopher kings, as noble as Arthur, and as pure as a virgin ... until last month. But you don't realize that because you're a fascist and aloof, which is the worst kind of fascist.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Joe Biden Lying? Goes way back. Even had to withdraw from his 1988 presidential campaign because of it:

Joe Biden 1988 presidential campaign - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'll also suggest that those in the past who have tried to defend him here.....knew inside what a schmuck he was. But they didn't have a choice and had to defend him. Standard fare for social media platforms....and yes.....on both sides.

Yep. They're politicians. Lying is in the job description. Those that think their tribal leaders aren't liars are drinking some seriously premium kool-aid.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

X clearly needs to learn the blue font rule.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Nah, man. You are missing the point entirely. The Dems were as wise as philosopher kings, as noble as Arthur, and as pure as a virgin ... until last month. But you don't realize that because you're a fascist and aloof, which is the worst kind of fascist.

Thanks, Bodhi....you made my day.

It sure is frustrating that I've railed against Trump and MAGA for a long time. Didn't vote for anybody for President in 2020 or 2024. Been a Never Trumper since 2018.

I pretty obviously lean toward traditional conservatism, meaning: Other than...

(1) providing a strong national defense and internal law enforcement making the citizens secure in their persons...which is the government's primary job, and

(2) enforcing the Constitution in general and the Bill of Rights in particular, as they were intended by the authors, and as later modified by a rightfully difficult process, and

(3) exercising some common sense to keep circumstances from spiraling out of control...

Stay out of the stinkin' way.

The government that governs least governs best, and unintended consequences of well-intended actions and laws are virtually infinite.

Sadly, the word "conservative," has been co-opted to connote radical fringe (Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, Kari Lake and the like) and is now used to lump people like me in with crazies like them.

It eliminates the need for thought, but is nowhere near what I believe.

I appreciate your recognizing that more than you know.

 

[JDCrimson]

Yall wake me up when there is a discussion about something illegal our President hasnt done...

 

[jthomas666]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1863385909392973977

 

[bamacpa]

As a father, I often debate how far to let my sons suffer. At times, I've made it too hard on them and probably more often made it too easy. What would I do here ? In rational times, I'd probably let my son answer for his mistakes, both for his sake and to set an example for the country. But given the threats of vengeance coming from someone I view as despicable and irrational, yeah I'd pardon my son. As for setting a bad example, why would I care ? We just elected a convicted felon to be president. I think good examples would matter nothing at this point in American history. No way would I let my son suffer the capricious revenge of the incoming president and his minions. No way.

 

[bamacpa]

So the opposition to MAGA is morally and intellectually superior until it's the same.

But it's OK because MAGA is so bad and they do it too.

So no, you're not better. You're a lot like the people you look down on, except they don't usually have the intellectually entitled morally superior attitude.

As with crimsonaudio, this is why I am politically homeless and don't trust either party as far as I could throw the Eiffel Tower.

They all sell themselves like streetwalkers on Sunset Boulevard. The only difference is who their "customers" are.

The battle isn't between conservatives and liberals - it's between haves and have nots.

 

[dtgreg]

Biden’s Pardon of Hunter Further Undermines His Legacy

By granting clemency to his son, the President put his family above the American people.

New Yorker Link

The Russians won. If you pardon your son, you prove that there is no objective truth, only naked power. Biden lost most of his family in a car wreck. His eldest son joined the military and lost his life to burn pit cancer. Then, his remaining son developed a drug problem and screwed up his life. You're asking a father to sacrifice his only son to prove that he is a hero. The 'Pubs will prosecute him forever if you don't pardon him. They probably will anyway. But, by pardoning him, you give power to the authoritarians who say " both sides do it". He was out-flanked and lost every battle.

Trump has won. We have lost. It's over. We require heroes now and I don't see any heroes around here.

 

[JDCrimson]

Thats what criminal sociopaths do. They use your own values and morals to their advantage such that you are fighting at a disadvantage. As it progresses, you keep losing high ground until you have to make a choice. Lose all your high ground or chuck your morals and values in hopes of keeping something dear to you. I think this what Biden chose, he chose his son the optics be damned.

We are in a gutter fight for this country and we are losing in a major way and we are losing because we are too focused on our self interest or we just cant comprehend how nefarious other people can be.

I truly believe people like Trump, Flynn, Stone, Bannon, etc think of themselves like comic book villians.

The Russians won. If you pardon your son, you prove that there is no objective truth, only naked power. Biden lost most of his family in a car wreck. His eldest son joined the military and lost his life to burn pit cancer. Then, his remaining son developed a drug problem and screwed up his life. You're asking a father to sacrifice his only son to prove that he is a hero. The 'Pubs will prosecute him forever if you don't pardon him. They probably will anyway. But, by pardoning him, you give power to the authoritarians who say " both sides do it". He was out-flanked and lost every battle.

Trump has won. We have lost. It's over. We require heroes now and I don't see any heroes around here.

 

[Bamaro]

Yeah, principles, schminciples!

At least we now know that both Biden and Trump are bald-faced liars.

Yes but any real equivalency is severely lacking.