Johnson showing us something/Meineke Car Care Bowl thread

[TIDE-HSV]

The observations above just point out one of the cardinal weaknesses of the option offense. It's high-risk. Too many cooks in the kitchen at critical moments, and that's what cooked Navy's goose. Now, I'm going to say something that should have been said before. Success at a lower level of competition doesn't necessarily predicate super-success at a higher level. Wallace at UNA comes to mind quickly. There are many other examples which tend to disprove that logic. I don't think CPJ would become a genius at the power I or the spread, just because he was elevated to Bama. I think we would be looking, pretty much, at Navy's offense, because that's what he knows, inside and out. If that type of offense lights your candle, then fine, but don't expect something different, if he's hired. BTW, I consider his hiring to be an extremely long shot. And I don't want to see another blizzard of "vote for Paul Johnson" threads...

 

[dabaxter]

Given that we have QB's who throw the ball, not option QB's, I'd say he'd have done very very poorly with Bama's players today.

Actually, both Wilson and Johnson ran the option in high school.

Let me rephrase my question...How do you think Johnson would have done against BC with players of the size and speed of Alabama's?

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Hoover did not run the option any material number of snaps. And it's correct that Wilson is NOT your proto-typical option QB. He can scramble occasionally, but you don't want him in a position where the defense can cover up the trailer and force him to run the ball time after time. It's not his strong suite. To say otherwise is just plain silly...

 

[CornBiscuit]

Actually, both Wilson and Johnson ran the option in high school.
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Difference between a zone read, an option once a half, and the option every down.

 

[ThePoloLounge]

I think we would be looking, pretty much, at Navy's offense, because that's what he knows, inside and out. If that type of offense lights your candle, then fine, but don't expect something different, if he's hired. BTW, I consider his hiring to be an extremely long shot. And I don't want to see another blizzard of "vote for Paul Johnson" threads...

I agree with your assesment. I've never been comfortable with the thought of CPJ coaching at 'Bama, for mainly the reasons stated above.

This could be a classic case of "The Peter Principle" at work. I'm not ready to hand over the HC position to this guy. We know the offense he will run, and any team that is not balanced is at a severe disadvantage in the SEC. Every time I look at him I see Bobby Wallace.

If we don't land the sainted Nick Saban, we can do a lot better than reaching for Johnson.

"Just say no" to PJ.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Correct. Wilson is just not your every down running threat, which the option QB MUST be. Not only that, a lot of our other players aren't cut out for the option at all. We would suddenly have a great surplus of receivers...

 

[Ldlane]

Actually, both Wilson and Johnson ran the option in high school.

Let me rephrase my question...How do you think Johnson would have done against BC with players of the size and speed of Alabama's?

Looking at how many times we had to complete a "third and long" situation, I would say OSU 34 Alabama 14. Just an observation and attempt to answer your question.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Our linemen are not suited to run the option. After a year of conditioning and weight room work, they might make it work, if they didn't quit first. And, as I said, we're long on receivers and short of RBs to run the option. We'd have to recruit to the option for a couple of years to come up with the players to run it...

 

[Bama323]

I think Paul Johnson is a very good football coach. Personally, I do not want to see the option offense at Alabama either, but I truly don't think PJ would run the same type of offense that he runs at Navy if he were at Alabama. The #1 reason is that he would have the talent to open up the playbook more and include more downfield passing. I think he would run an offense similiar to what West Virginia or Florida runs now.

My main concern is getting a coach that knows how to win. A tough, disciplined coach who can get the most out of his players. Gene Stallings didn't run a flashy offense, but he knew how to win ball games. My feeling is that Paul Johnson is a winner and that he would be very successful at Alabama. I think he has proven that by his record.

However, Nick Saban is still my number one choice, and if we can get him then the Paul Johnson talk will all be forgotten.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I guess I view Johnson as an experiment - either he can make the jump or he cannot. Many thought Wallace was sure fire, after his success at UNA. I'd rather not experiment again - unless we must...

 

[Bama323]

I guess I view Johnson as an experiment - either he can make the jump or he cannot. Many thought Wallace was sure fire, after his success at UNA. I'd rather not experiment again - unless we must...

Wallace made a big mistake by taking the job at Temple. I lived in Florence during the time that UNA was winning all those DII national championships, and I know how good of a coach he is. It is almost impossible, if not completely impossible to consistently win at Temple. There was alot of talk before he took the Temple job that he may be up for the Mississippi State job at some point. Who knows what may have happened if he had just stayed at UNA a little longer.

 

[rpeastep]

NO one will win at Temple, that comparison is totally ridiculous.

I have no great love for the Navy coach, but do any of these self proclaimed learned offensive experts know how many different offenses Coach Bryant ran as a head coach? He didn't stick with one, even the one that wone him the most games.

 

[dabaxter]

I guess I view Johnson as an experiment - either he can make the jump or he cannot. Many thought Wallace was sure fire, after his success at UNA. I'd rather not experiment again - unless we must...

I don't think this is a good analogy at all! Wallace came from Div 2 to Temple, abandoned his offensive philosophy and failed on the Div-1 level. In contrast, Paul Johnson came from Div 1-AA, where he set NCAA records, after being a record-setting Div-1 offensive coordinator. He went to Navy, where it's been impossible to win, and proved to be wildly successful, proving to have the best record ever in Navy's history. There is no comparison there at all to Wallace. Johnson already has a remarkably successful track record at the Div 1 level.
If a comparison is made, it should be made to Jim Tressel, which Paul Johnson already dominated in the 1-AA national championship game.

 

[Anchovy]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Johnson the OC at Hawaii? Did they run the option at Hawaii?

 

[BAMARICH]

I don't think this is a good analogy at all! Wallace came from Div 2 to Temple, abandoned his offensive philosophy and failed on the Div-1 level. In contrast, Paul Johnson came from Div 1-AA, where he set NCAA records, after being a record-setting Div-1 offensive coordinator. He went to Navy, where it's been impossible to win, and proved to be wildly successful, proving to have the best record ever in Navy's history. There is no comparison there at all to Wallace. Johnson already has a remarkably successful track record at the Div 1 level.
If a comparison is made, it should be made to Jim Tressel, which Paul Johnson already dominated in the 1-AA national championship game.

With all due respect to Paul Johnson and his accomplishments, it's difficult to compare him with Tressel also... there's that much difference between being at Ohio State and Navy. DAB... I know you love Johnson and want to find as many reasons possible why he should be considered. However, the fact is he is viewed by many just as Earle portrayed him... an experiment. And, from all the things about candidates, the people that matter in this search see him in that light also. Regardless, I'm hoping against hope that we get to ride with "the proven product in the SEC."

 

[dabaxter]

With all due respect to Paul Johnson and his accomplishments, it's difficult to compare him with Tressel also... there's that much difference between being at Ohio State and Navy. DAB... I know you love Johnson and want to find as many reasons possible why he should be considered. However, the fact is he is viewed by many just as Earle portrayed him... an experiment. And, from all the things about candidates, the people that matter in this search see him in that light also. Regardless, I'm hoping against hope that we get to ride with "the proven product in the SEC."

Fair enough. Who's your second choice behind "the proven product in the SEC"?

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Fortunately, neither BR nor I have to come up with a second choice. I don't think, however, that it will be CPJ...

 

[paul02085]

I just hope it isnt grobe.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

There aren't any #2s that excite me. For that reason, I hope we go on and wrap this up with CNS...

 

[TommyMac]

Our linemen are not suited to run the option. After a year of conditioning and weight room work, they might make it work, if they didn't quit first. And, as I said, we're long on receivers and short of RBs to run the option. We'd have to recruit to the option for a couple of years to come up with the players to run it...

Our linemen didn't seem to be suited to run much of anything the past four years. And if they might quit if faced with conditioning and hitting the weights, then we don't need them anyway. We already know how the laid-back approach to conditioning works, don't we? We need committed players who won't shy away from hard work. Our tradition was built on hard work and our future success will be built on it too.