Let's Talk About the Elephant in the Room: OC Play Calling and Receiver Development

BamaMoon

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BOB taking an NFL job may render this discussion pointless, but if that happens some of this is still applicable.

Since the D did their job last night, let's talk about the biggest mystery of 2022 looking forward: Playcalling and Wide Outs.

First, we know we had elite guys under Sark...probably won't ever see that kind of talent on one team for two years in a row again!

However, what we don't know is how much closer current and recruited players could get to that level with different development and/or different playcalling.

That's the one big difference with Sark! He found simple and easy ways to get his playmakers in space and he'd run it over and over until it was stopped (Remember the little play where Smitty would go in motion and then stop, reverse directions and run a little flair in the flats???). Saw it over and over in the playoffs last year.

BOB seemed to only have way one way to do that: send JW deep OR long developing crossing routes. That seems to be the biggest difference in Sark (and Lane) and BOB. They seemed to develop routes that got people more wide open. It seemed like BY was having to hit tighter windows much of the year with the exception of JW getting past the defense with his speed occasionally.

And what happened to the RPO last night??? Did we run one RPO? Why not use BY's legs, especially after JW goes down???

Obviously, we need some changes next year and most of this is predicated on better OL play. But assuming we have that, is this about player development? Did we miss on a year of receivers (none of them really stepped up this year)? Or is this more about BOB's lack of creativity?

I'm not smart enough to figure it all out, but it seems we kinda failed in all 3 phases this year with the exception of hitting a home run and getting JW in the portal.

So...where do we go from here? Coaching change...hope this year's receiver recruiting core splashes next year....or go to the transfer portal??? Some of all three???
 
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bamafaninbham

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My recommendations are to can BOB and the OL coach. WR coach I'm not sure about whether we need a change there. If pressed to make a choice I would wave goodbye to him as well. We have recruited enough 4 and 5 star players at OL and WR to be almost three deep at every position. But aside from Evan Neal, Metchie, and JW, there hasn't been consistently excellent play. To me that is coaching. But I think a better OC could mask some of the deficiencies by better play design and better play calls at certain points in games.
 
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I think it would help to give the back ups playing time in games against weak opponents, especially the skill positions. What is gained by having them stand around to run out the clock? At least they would have the experience of running routes and blocking. One coach felt giving players the opportunity to play made them practice harder.
 

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I think it would help to give the back ups playing time in games against weak opponents, especially the skill positions. What is gained by having them stand around to run out the clock? At least they would have the experience of running routes and blocking. One coach felt giving players the opportunity to play made them practice harder.
I agree!

If Bryce had gone down with an injury last night, the game would have been over right then... :rolleyes:
 
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Evil Crimson Dragon

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I think it would help to give the back ups playing time in games against weak opponents, especially the skill positions. What is gained by having them stand around to run out the clock? At least they would have the experience of running routes and blocking. One coach felt giving players the opportunity to play made them practice harder.
Yeah I think they should let them in……. Helps with development
 

BamaBoySince89

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I think it would help to give the back ups playing time in games against weak opponents, especially the skill positions. What is gained by having them stand around to run out the clock? At least they would have the experience of running routes and blocking. One coach felt giving players the opportunity to play made them practice harder.
The problem with that is Saban knows who’s practicing well and what they contribute on and off the field so there may be a good reason as to why you didn’t see a lot of guys get time. Secondly, most of the time we’ve put teams like Tennessee and Arkansas out of their misery by the 2nd quarter and so you would see backups but we struggled at times putting teams away.

This team was very young and lost a lot of leadership. As much as I wanted somebody to step up last night that fact was too much to overcome. I do think it would do us well to move on from BoB and Marrone. While we produced on offense at times it just seemed off with his style of play. Sark’s playcalling with the combination of elite talent was sorely missed this year. We have to develop those young WR’s

Lastly, and this is just my opinion, the CB position has been real hit or miss lately. But I’m in agreement that the way they are coached needs to change. We never turn our heads around and it seems like that one year Mel Tucker was here they were doing it very well. We have a lot to clean up this off-season but looking forward to next year
 
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BamaHoosier

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I’m not worried about talent at receiver or WR coaching. The guys we brought in last year were actually more highly rated than the year we brought in Jeudy/Smitty/Ruggs. Let that sink in. At face value they were more highly regarded than arguably the great WR recruiting class ever…

Admittedly I am disappointed they weren’t more ready to step up when called upon. However, we need to remember they were facing monumental pressure on that stage. That was also the best secondary that young group has collectively faced. Freshmen receivers who in the last matchup were being covered by nickels and safeties were now facing ace corners. It was just unfortunate Metchie and Jamo were lost and that undoubtedly changed the landscape of our gameplan.

What I am worried about is attrition. Are there guys who weren’t happy with their direct coaching or development, who don’t like their target share, or feel that they are better suited for other systems. If we bring everyone back with a couple of strategic additions, I have no doubt we’ll have a great WR room. If we lose some guys to the portal and have to rely on young replacements or 1-n-dones, then I’ll be more worried.

As far as coaches responsible for said gameplan and scheme structure, I’m less optimistic about.

I hate for BY to have 3 OC’s in 3 years, but it won’t hurt my feelings at all if the NFL comes knocking on BoB’s door, or if he takes Marrone with him. I’m sure they are fine coaches, I just never saw them as fits for the college game. And I saw little this year to convince me that was wrong.
 

DanoCanuck

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Who was the receiver sitting on the bench by himself during the NM St game? A poster alluded to it last night (or this morning) as an example of someone pouting because of little or no playing time? I can understand young guys pouting it just shows their lack of maturity but sooner or later they ”get it” and grow up.

Also, what’s the deal with Billingsley? I haven’t been able to look at the board as much as I’d like and Ive obviously missed something about him. Is he a complainer? Twitter poster? i remember thinking he was one of the next group of great ones but he’s been low average at best.

Who was the receiver who tired to goofy hand a catch on a throw to the sidelines? Was that Hall? It was a beautiful dart by Young but his hands got all cockeyed.
 

AlexanderFan

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I think it would help to give the back ups playing time in games against weak opponents, especially the skill positions. What is gained by having them stand around to run out the clock? At least they would have the experience of running routes and blocking. One coach felt giving players the opportunity to play made them practice harder.
If there is a legitimate criticism of Saban, this is it: he will get backups on the field, but only to run out the clock and not to run the offense. I'm sure this helps with getting plays in and getting guys in formation, but it certainly doesn't help these guys get acclimated to playing receiver or throwing in the middle of the field at the collegiate level.
 

rolltd

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Is Billingsley injured or just going through the motions on field? Thought he might have a big game
 

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Also, what’s the deal with Billingsley? I haven’t been able to look at the board as much as I’d like and Ive obviously missed something about him. Is he a complainer? Twitter poster? i remember thinking he was one of the next group of great ones but he’s been low average at best.
Haven't heard much from Saban about him since early in the season, but I think this says enough:

 
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BamaMoon

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I think it would help to give the back ups playing time in games against weak opponents, especially the skill positions. What is gained by having them stand around to run out the clock? At least they would have the experience of running routes and blocking. One coach felt giving players the opportunity to play made them practice harder.
As another poster said, this is a legitimate knock on Saban, but as to this year there's a reason younger guys probably didn't develop as much through PT.

That reason is our 1st teamers needed to work during lopsided games more than other years. We were so sloppy and ragged at times CNS would leave the first team offense in the game almost the whole game for this reason.

Overall this team was slow to develop good chemistry and they peaked (finally played one complete game) in the SECCG. That's nothing to sneeze at, but I think that's one reason more development didn't happen this year.
 

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My recommendations are to can BOB and the OL coach. WR coach I'm not sure about whether we need a change there. If pressed to make a choice I would wave goodbye to him as well. We have recruited enough 4 and 5 star players at OL and WR to be almost three deep at every position. But aside from Evan Neal, Metchie, and JW, there hasn't been consistently excellent play. To me that is coaching. But I think a better OC could mask some of the deficiencies by better play design and better play calls at certain points in games.
Article on WR coach......................https://alabama.rivals.com/news/breaking-down-alabama-s-coaching-staff-holmon-wiggins
 

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I think it would help to give the back ups playing time in games against weak opponents, especially the skill positions. What is gained by having them stand around to run out the clock? At least they would have the experience of running routes and blocking. One coach felt giving players the opportunity to play made them practice harder.
If you're saying some backups should start the game against weak opponents to avoid injury to the starters I'm all for that, but if you're saying put them in the game after we have it in the bag and have them run routes that creates a problem. If we start throwing the ball all over the field with a 30 point lead our opponents are going to accuse us of running up the score and I don't think they will accept the "our guys need experience" excuse.
 

BamaPokerplayer

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If you're saying some backups should start the game against weak opponents to avoid injury to the starters I'm all for that, but if you're saying put them in the game after we have it in the bag and have them run routes that creates a problem. If we start throwing the ball all over the field with a 30 point lead our opponents are going to accuse us of running up the score and I don't think they will accept the "our guys need experience" excuse.
Not trying to be snakry but do you really care what opponents say?
 

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