MDB, Rammer Jammer

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The game was great! The band stayed in it most of the time, though there was a good deal of frustration.

Right before the kick, I got down on one knee and put a hand on the two people's shoulders in front of me and said,

"Gentlemen, join me in prayer.....Lord....can I talk to Bear for a second?" :biggrin2:

I hope everyone understands the limits placed on the band where Rammer Jammer is concerned. We all want to play it, but when we can't we can't. We have rules we have to follow that were set by Coach Moore.

Thank GOD we got to play it Saturday! There was a rumor going around that maybe we couldn't for some reason. Everybody in the band went absolutely apesh** when Dr. Ozzello gave the ok. I hope everybody enjoyed it. If you think singing it is great, imagine playing it.
 
There was a moment there

Everybody noticed the playing of Yea Alabama over and over again and thought yea, they have stopped the Rammer Jammer at the time it was the most important to everybody there. For the life of me as a UA grad I don't get how a small handfull of liberal do gooders for lack of what I would really like to call them can ruin a football tradition so dear to the fans. Never fear, MDB, we know who the culprits are! And never fear there WILL be a Rammer Jammer if we have to hum the notes ourselves. The folks where I was sitting had already made up their minds that we were going to Rammer Jammer or we would be at BDS til the cows came home.... :cool2:
We love the MDB RTR
 
CrimsonRoses said:
For the life of me as a UA grad I don't get how a small handfull of liberal do gooders for lack of what I would really like to call them can ruin a football tradition so dear to the fans.

I'm sick of this crap. ONE MAN has set "rules" for the Rammer Jammer cheer and his name is Mal Moore. I can assure you he is anything but a "liberal."
 
I stand corrected

Mal Moore is indeed not a liberal
Mal Moore is indeed a dictator in my opinion
Does the man in charge of the band dare not oppose him?
I thought it intersting that in most pictures of Sec of State Rice it was Mal Moore not the President of the University who was nearest her... :cool:
 
I had the great misfortune of having to sit right behind the TN band and hear Rocky Top every 30 seconds. :frown: But oh, the sweet sound of Rammer Jammer at the end was music to my ears. MBD rocks the house every week! RTR!! :biggrin2:
 
CrimsonRoses said:
For the life of me as a UA grad I don't get how a small handfull of liberal do gooders for lack of what I would really like to call them can ruin a football tradition so dear to the fans.

You are backwards.
 
Hearing Rammer Jammer was excellent on TV, but I felt best hearing the full Yea Alabama after the field goal. It felt amazing! I sang every word inside! Singing outloud would have my roommate creeped out...
 
TurningTide said:
You are backwards.

:frown:

And you are wrong. :cool:

And in the significant minority here. And about 80,000 people who sang it at the stadium will agree with CrimsonRoses.

But that's what's great about this country of ours. Those of us who enjoy the cheer and know that it's all in good sporting fun, will continue to enjoy it. And those of you who don't can do whatever it is you do to celebrate...and hopefully loosen up a little! :rolleyes:
 
CrimsonRoses said:
I thought it intersting that in most pictures of Sec of State Rice it was Mal Moore not the President of the University who was nearest her... :cool:

Rice1.jpg


Sure looks like Dr. Witt is closer to her to me. :tongue:

I stand by my opinion that more conservative right wing extremists oppose the Rammer Jammer cheer than do "bleeding-heart liberals."

Also, I find it SAD that in three short years, we went from playing the Rammer Jammer cheer approaching a thousand times at UT in 2002 AND playing the Tennessee Waltz to the drum majors having to negotiate and beg for permission for the band to play it ONCE versus our most hated rival.
 
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Just got back to St. Pete from T-Town..........

It did feel GREAT to sing 'RAMMER-JAMMER' to the UT faithful, but mostly to
'His Krispy Kreme-ness' aka The Lowly Round Pumpkin!! :biggrin:
Although by that time I couldn't hear anything coming out
of my mouth! :eek2: My wife just looked and laughed at me! :biggrin:
 
DrBama said:
:frown:

And you are wrong. :cool:

And in the significant minority here. And about 80,000 people who sang it at the stadium will agree with CrimsonRoses.

But that's what's great about this country of ours. Those of us who enjoy the cheer and know that it's all in good sporting fun, will continue to enjoy it. And those of you who don't can do whatever it is you do to celebrate...and hopefully loosen up a little! :rolleyes:

<Blank Stare> Are you finished?? I wasn't saying I disliked the cheer...I sing it louder and prouder than anyone in the entire stadium. I was saying that for CrimsonRoses to try to make it out like "bleeding heart liberals" are the ones who are anti rammer jammer is backwards. Reason being, liberals, like myself, don't get uptight about the crap like this. CONSERVATIVES are the ones who get their panties in a wad over the word "hell" being yelled in a cheer toward the opposing team.

This seems so obvious to me, and for the life of me I can't understand where people on here get off, #1 - even making this a political issue, #2 - saying that's it liberals, of all people, who oppose the controversial cheer. :confused:
 
Funny how politics work, eh?

The debate against Rammer Jammer can be trace to two diametrically different groups:
1) Social progressives who are against anything that demeans the worth of an other group, even if the measure of worth is objectively-based.
2) Social conservatives who are against anything perceived to be morally tainted or off-color.

Funny enough, both want to censor the same thing despite being ideologically different.
 
rgw said:
Funny how politics work, eh?

The debate against Rammer Jammer can be trace to two diametrically different groups:
1) Social progressives who are against anything that demeans the worth of an other group, even if the measure of worth is objectively-based.
2) Social conservatives who are against anything perceived to be morally tainted or off-color.

Funny enough, both want to censor the same thing despite being ideologically different.

That is an excellent observation.
 
TurningTide said:
Are you finished?? I wasn't saying I disliked the cheer

Well, excuse me for thinking that you were talking about the cheer with your extremely short and droll response (see title of thread). :rolleyes:

I'm not interested in getting in a political debate over here on the Football board, and I would agree with you that it has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal.
 
PlayerUA said:
Also, I find it SAD that in three short years, we went from playing the Rammer Jammer cheer approaching a thousand times at UT in 2002 AND playing the Tennessee Waltz to the drum majors having to negotiate and beg for permission for the band to play it ONCE versus our most hated rival.

Actually, the drum majors did not beg; Dr. Ozzello called it up.
I feel this is an appropriate time to set the record straight on when and when not to play Rammer Jammer. This post will be long, but there is some history to tell. I have heard the information from people on the band staff for the past three years, so I believe that it is reliable.

After we played Rammer Jammer five times and the Tennesee Waltz at UT in 2002, UT officials complained to the SEC, and so the SEC made the following rule:
If the visiting team wins, then the visiting band can only play the fight song and the alma mater after the game. The argument is that after the game, cheers such as Rammer Jammer taunt the opposing fans and band more so than the team. Also, in 2003, Coach Moore made some guidelines on the use of the Rammer Jammer cheer: it can only be played if we win by at least seven points (in football) and ten points (in basketball). This is also the year that Coach Moore began to really pressure the directors to end the rampant alcohol drinking in the band. My opinion is that these two things were done to boost the University's image in the wake of the Mike Price incident. Again, this is my opinion, but Dr. Ozzello had alluded to Price when he first discussed these rules two years ago, so that is why I believe this.

The MDB has pretty much complied with these two rules. During our last two road games where we won by more than seven points and a band was present, we played the Rammer Jammer cheer before time expired. These two games were Miss. St. in 2003 and South Carolina of this year. By doing this we obeyed the SEC rule and Coach Moore's rule. We did not play Rammer Jammer at Ole Miss because it would have violated both rules (especially the SEC one). Ironically, we actually did violate the SEC rule because one of the drum majors called up "Dream On." I'm sure nobody cared, though. We broke the letter of the rule, but not the spirit of it.

After the UT game, when we had finished Yea Alabama at the end of the game, Dr. Ozzello told us to play the RJ cheer because "I want to" (He might have said "Because I want it"--I was relatively far away). I used italics because he pointed at himself when he said I, which is the best way to emphasize that word to 300 band members at the stadium. Why would Dr. Ozzello want to, especially when he had just reminded us that morning at practice about the rule?

Now, what I am about to write is entirely my opinion, but I consider it to be an educated guess. If you read this Dr. O and it is untrue, please know that these may be the reasons I especially wanted to do Rammer Jammer to the Vols, and maybe thought you had similar reasons. In 2003, after UT beat us at Bryant-Denny, they did the Rammer Jammer cheer to us. This was particularly infuriating because they were the ones that complained to the SEC the previous year! The ink wasn't dry on the rule when they turned around and broke it. Dr. Ozzello reported it to the SEC office the following Monday, but I doubt they did anything about it. So I think he wanted it to deliberately get back at them. Plus, they thought we "conspired" to take a long time to start our halftime show last year (which is a whole other issue), so he was feeling no love for them anyway. On the other hand, he also might have wanted it because he has been here since 1989, so he has had to suffer UT like the rest of us.

I apologise for the length, and I want to reiterate that the last paragraph is my opinion (except about UT playing RJ in 2003).
 
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Funny how politics work, eh?

The debate against Rammer Jammer can be trace to two diametrically different groups:
1) Social progressives who are against anything that demeans the worth of an other group, even if the measure of worth is objectively-based.
2) Social conservatives who are against anything perceived to be morally tainted or off-color.

Funny enough, both want to censor the same thing despite being ideologically different.

Lol it's true.

Actually most political issues can be looked at like that, as the extreme polarity of american politics has been established through a long-term evolution of a trial-and-error system through which politicians construct their platforms. Eheh, the parties theoritically exist to reflect the people, but I think nowadays people form their thoughts based on their political affiliations--which are of course dictated by party lines--which are centered around marketing a product to the people. And so on. :)

When peeps talk about politics, it can become pretty obvious that we all could stand to have more important things to worry about.
 
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With all that is going in the world right now, the biggest thing people can complain about is a cheer with the word "hell" in it that taunts the other team. Come on people. This is football, not a game of duck duck goose. UThug has been rubbing our noses in it for years. I think being classy is important, but come on.
 
I appreciate all of the clarification about the "rules" for playing RJ, and have heard similar items from the University, so I am guessing the explanations are spot on.

With that said, what people don't seem to understand is that the main reason for the rules, from my understand had more to do with the word HELL as was pointed out my ua9899 than it did with being a blatant stab at diminishing your opponent. Does anybody really care if you offend your opponent? If so, then this has more to do with Politics than it does with the SEC.

For me, I love RJ and don't care if we win by 1 or by 101...I'll sing it loud and proud and to hell with what's "politically correct"! Frankly I'm pretty tired of all of the political correctness out there anyway!
 
Liberal v. Conservative

I don't think it has anything to do with liberal vs. conservative. I'm more liberal than any of you would care to discover, but I love me some Rammer Jammer cheer. I think it has to do with the same higher-ups that hated the logo being painted midfield, or the endzones changed from the checkerboard to the italic arial ALABAMA, then again for the big block Nike-inspired endzone. Too concerned that something is gonna look or sound bad, but they eventually cave.

I'm the first to admit that the RJ is not the classiest thing to do, but really, come on, it's a GAME. Why can't we taunt the other team? We can actually bloody their noses, bruise them up, send them to the hospital, half kill them -- but we can't tell them that it's coming?

I wouldn't be crazy about doing the cheer against Temple or similar teams, but I'd still probably do it anyway.

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BTW -- Social progressives aren't the devil. Remember that when you start collecting your SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK or receive worker's comp benefits. You think CAPITALISTS care about you? Puh-lease.
 
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