Mike Ford

[RedStar]

But, I'll be willing to wager that's an automatic red flag for the ncaa, especially in light of their "affection" for UA. I'm also thinking a certain Alabama-obsessed coach in TN is going to bend the ncaa's ear about that ACT score if it is true.

Why would they raise a red flag about a 20? That's not even a high score. Besides if every athlete were red flagged based on their ACT score, no one would ever play football again.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

What they flag...

is a sudden improbable increase - like in Jayson Swain's case.

 

[dayhiker]

You mean like when Danny Woodsen went from a 10 to a 24? I imagine the test changing from left handed to right handed, or vice versa, didn't help either

 

[Alanbama27]

Going from a 16 to a 20 isn't a red flag in and of itself...

assuming he does graduate with a 2.6 or 2.7 GPA. If that's the case, you would expect him to easily make an 18 or 20 on his ACT. If his GPA were right at a 2.0 and he was just getting by, then going from a 16 to a 20 might give reason to look, but a 2.7 is very close to a "B" average and anyone with a "B" average should be able to score between an 18 and 26 on the ACT without question.

 

[bamabake]

the 20 hasn't been confirmed or denied at this point......a poster on another board claimed to have spoken to his mother and she said he made a 20. His HS coach who is very involved in his academics, says he still needs ACT work-- regarding back to his 16 on the ACT, previously.

BOL did an interview with the coach and he said that he hasn't even had time to work out, he's been so busy with school. He still needs to pass a class that he previously had failed and is in good shape with classes this semester. That being said, the coach predicted is GPA to get up to 2.6 or 2.7-- therefore, a 16 would qualify him anyway.....

wow, hope that made sense!

I am sorry but how do you fail a class? This escapes me. Does one sleep through it? I dont mean to offend at all. Maybe dyslexia or some such thing?

 

[TIDE-HSV]

It often...

involves not completing a requirement for a course, such as research paper, etc. If it's a core course, the kid's sunk. It's not always 100% the kid's fault, either. Sometimes, teacher's egos get involved and the kid gets to be made an example...

 

[Crimson Warrior]

A 20 IS NOT a high score on the ACT

Why would they raise a red flag about a 20? That's not even a high score. Besides if every athlete were red flagged based on their ACT score, no one would ever play football again.

Maybe I'm just paranoid when it comes to the ncaa and UA. I just see a potential there (16-20) for the ncaa to come in again and dig and dig again. I sincerely hope that is not the case.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Which was my point in my post...

is a sudden improbable increase - like in Jayson Swain's case.

And we both know how that turned out. Let an Alabama recruit make even a four point swing, and watch what happens.

 

[rtrcam]

I am sorry but how do you fail a class? This escapes me. Does one sleep through it? I dont mean to offend at all. Maybe dyslexia or some such thing?

Many reasons. It can happen to the best.

 

[Stephen323]

I don't believe the NCAA has any standing to not accept an ACT score as long as it is certified. The ACT people will, however, do investigations in cases where there are significant score increases and can invalidate scores.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

The NCAA...

Clearing House can and has rejected certified ACT scores.

 

[Stephen323]

I didn't say that they have not rejected certified scores. I said that I do not believe that they have standing to do so. The NCAA bylaws clearly outline what scores are required for eligibility. If they are going to use the results of a test administered by another organization, and their bylaws state the minimum score required for eligibility, then they should be bound by that and the ruling of the testing organization should be final.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Sorry...

didn't understand your position. The comical aspect is that the Clearing House rejects test scores and also they reject grades, when they see fit. Last year, they said they were getting out of second-guessing HS grades, but the practice hasn't stopped. Except, of course for college grades at UT, where they say grades are none of their business....

 

[PattheCatinSaudi]

II said that I do not believe that they have standing to do so. The NCAA bylaws clearly outline what scores are required for eligibility.

Bylaws? Since when have the NCAA let their own bylaws get in the way of what the leadership wants to do? The NCAA is a private association (certified so by the Supreme Court) and basically can do what they want.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Bingo!!

Bylaws? Since when have the NCAA let their own bylaws get in the way of what the leadership wants to do? The NCAA is a private association (certified so by the Supreme Court) and basically can do what they want.

Beat me to it! Bylaws mean nothing to the ncaa when they want to nail your hide to the wall on anything. Seems as Alabama fans, we should have learned that by now.

 

[JessN]

I know of several four-point jumps that have triggered action from the Clearinghouse. Marico Portis' score was flagged, and I believe his was just a four-point jump.

What the NCAA will do in that case is conditionally approve it. The condition being, you have to take it again, and if you come within a point or two of what you made the second time, your second score is validated. That's what happened to Portis.

As to whether the NCAA can throw out scores, whatever their bylaws may say about not doing it, they do it anyway. And I feel sure the Clearinghouse would continue to get involved in HS grades if they had adequate manpower for the job.

The NCAA is essentially a government-approved monopoly that answers to very few people.

 

[rtrcam]

The NCAA is essentially a government-approved monopoly that answers to very few people.

Which is why it needs to be dissolved.

 

[Crim De Le Crim]

I am sorry but how do you fail a class? This escapes me. Does one sleep through it? I dont mean to offend at all. Maybe dyslexia or some such thing?

I can answer one way you can do it ... being young , bored by classes and distracted by bright shiny objects around you . I attended high school in Florida , played football , ran track and was in the gifted program for students with exceptional talent .

In spite of the fact I had the ability to pass every class I took I failed so many in my junior and senior years the fat Star Trek nerd who only had academics to console him made a sacarstic quip in class one day about me not even belonging in the gifted program . The teacher in the class informed him I tested out having the highest IQ of anyone in the program which promptly shut him up :biggrin:

My point is this young man may have slacked a little on his schoolwork and it is easy to do if you are having your head turned by more "fun" pursuits . I absolutely loved reading and studying arcane subject matter but run of the mill turn in your paper classes bored the **** out of me . At that age I saw no reason to care what sort of mark a teacher put on a paper or report card .

I don't know this kid but from what little I have read he has made tremendous efforts to make up for his lost academic work . If he succeeds it will hopefully give him a different path in life than the one I had to take to get somewhere . I actually attended college after high school but found the bad habits I developed in high school followed me into college . I showed up for an English Lit class 3 times during the semester ... once for the fun of it and the other two times to take the mid term and final . My professor put on my mid term I had excellent insights and should try attending class more often . I CLEPed Western Civ and Psychology to avoid taking those classes but the damage was already done as far as my attitudes towards schoolwork went .

Having brought the bad habits I developed in high school into college with me , I ended up never taking another class after two semesters . It irked me to do what I felt was just busy work to kowtow to some professor who knew I understood the subject matter just fine . Little did I know how much busy work I would be forced to do later for people with fewer credentials than a college professor because of that attitude

I hope he sticks with it even if there are temporary setbacks because I think he will find the mental discipline he is developing working on his classwork will also serve him on the football field and in life as well . You can make it without college but it stacks the deck against you and like everything in life there are no shortcuts for most of us . Ignore your schoolwork and you usually end up paying for it somewhere else down the line ...

 

[bamabake]

I can answer one way you can do it ... being young , bored by classes and distracted by bright shiny objects around you . I attended high school in Florida , played football , ran track and was in the gifted program for students with exceptional talent .

In spite of the fact I had the ability to pass every class I took I failed so many in my junior and senior years the fat Star Trek nerd who only had academics to console him made a sacarstic quip in class one day about me not even belonging in the gifted program . The teacher in the class informed him I tested out having the highest IQ of anyone in the program which promptly shut him up :biggrin:

My point is this young man may have slacked a little on his schoolwork and it is easy to do if you are having your head turned by more "fun" pursuits . I absolutely loved reading and studying arcane subject matter but run of the mill turn in your paper classes bored the **** out of me . At that age I saw no reason to care what sort of mark a teacher put on a paper or report card .

I don't know this kid but from what little I have read he has made tremendous efforts to make up for his lost academic work . If he succeeds it will hopefully give him a different path in life than the one I had to take to get somewhere . I actually attended college after high school but found the bad habits I developed in high school followed me into college . I showed up for an English Lit class 3 times during the semester ... once for the fun of it and the other two times to take the mid term and final . My professor put on my mid term I had excellent insights and should try attending class more often . I CLEPed Western Civ and Psychology to avoid taking those classes but the damage was already done as far as my attitudes towards schoolwork went .

Having brought the bad habits I developed in high school into college with me , I ended up never taking another class after two semesters . It irked me to do what I felt was just busy work to kowtow to some professor who knew I understood the subject matter just fine . Little did I know how much busy work I would be forced to do later for people with fewer credentials than a college professor because of that attitude

I hope he sticks with it even if there are temporary setbacks because I think he will find the mental discipline he is developing working on his classwork will also serve him on the football field and in life as well . You can make it without college but it stacks the deck against you and like everything in life there are no shortcuts for most of us . Ignore your schoolwork and you usually end up paying for it somewhere else down the line ...

Me too. Thnx

 

[ihatefulmer]

distracted by bright shiny objects around you .


...

Would those bright shiny objects be females? :tongue: