Just musingan 8 page thread comparing the Bama and LSU coaches, looks like there's some purple and gold (or at least a tight high hat) obsession going on, too.
Question: Miles vs. Saban: Bringing the gavel down
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Of all the coaches in the SEC and the country why do we continue to compare CNS to CLM? This comparision has grown stale. I say we move on to other coaches.
That being said this football season will be critical in both coach's tenures at their respective universities. CNS attempting to prove that the previous season wasn't a fluke, and CLM attempting to prove it was. Stay tuned.
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That being said this football season will be critical in both coach's tenures at their respective universities. CNS attempting to prove that the previous season wasn't a fluke, and CLM attempting to prove it was. Stay tuned.
I'm coming late to the party, but here's my take on Miles:
He recruits well. He runs a clean program. He keeps his kids out of trouble. He represents the program well to both the media and the rubber chicken circuit. He wins football games. He usually shows class when discussing opponents. All in all, he's a pretty good coach.
But it is absolutely true that he is running an inherited program, and like others who inherit aleady successful organizations, there are legitimate questions about his performance. He makes mind-numbingly dumb decisions on the sidelines and does not seem to understand the consequences. He got away with it in 2007 because of the load of talent. His decision-making caught up to him in 2008, and somehwat exposed him as a coach who takes unnecessary risks.
This, I think, is his Achilles Heel. He is a good man and a good coach, but he lacks the "it" factor when the game is in the Head Coach's hands.
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He recruits well. He runs a clean program. He keeps his kids out of trouble. He represents the program well to both the media and the rubber chicken circuit. He wins football games. He usually shows class when discussing opponents. All in all, he's a pretty good coach.
But it is absolutely true that he is running an inherited program, and like others who inherit aleady successful organizations, there are legitimate questions about his performance. He makes mind-numbingly dumb decisions on the sidelines and does not seem to understand the consequences. He got away with it in 2007 because of the load of talent. His decision-making caught up to him in 2008, and somehwat exposed him as a coach who takes unnecessary risks.
This, I think, is his Achilles Heel. He is a good man and a good coach, but he lacks the "it" factor when the game is in the Head Coach's hands.
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I'm coming late to the party, but here's my take on Miles:
He recruits well. He runs a clean program. He keeps his kids out of trouble. He represents the program well to both the media and the rubber chicken circuit. He wins football games. He usually shows class when discussing opponents. All in all, he's a pretty good coach.
But it is absolutely true that he is running an inherited program, and like others who inherit aleady successful organizations, there are legitimate questions about his performance. He makes mind-numbingly dumb decisions on the sidelines and does not seem to understand the consequences. He got away with it in 2007 because of the load of talent. His decision-making caught up to him in 2008, and somehwat exposed him as a coach who takes unnecessary risks.
This, I think, is his Achilles Heel. He is a good man and a good coach, but he lacks the "it" factor when the game is in the Head Coach's hands.
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I disagree stongly here. I've seen the "it" factor coaches make what would easily be considered "mind numbingly dumb decisions" if Miles made them. Including the Bama coach. I won't bore everyone with them, (unless challenged or requested of course)I'm coming late to the party, but here's my take on Miles:
He makes mind-numbingly dumb decisions on the sidelines and does not seem to understand the consequences. He got away with it in 2007 because of the load of talent. His decision-making caught up to him in 2008, and somehwat exposed him as a coach who takes unnecessary risks.
This, I think, is his Achilles Heel. He is a good man and a good coach, but he lacks the "it" factor when the game is in the Head Coach's hands.
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The big one though, I'll challenge. Auburn, going for the TD. Our kicker was struggling a bit at this point in the season, and from the stands I can tell you, the FG was far from automatic. There was plenty of time when the play went in. 16 seconds. Flynn took a little long on getting the play off (can't blame Miles for that) and then the clock ran off 3 seconds after the TD. Which on an incomplete pass would have been put back on the clock, but even without, there was still one second.
This is a Bama board, so I won't go into Nick's brain spasms this year, but he had em, and if it would have been Miles, they would be magnified.
Les big mistake this year was with the DC decision. Something I think he's rectified. Not game day coaching. With the game in the head coaches hand, he's done pretty good. Funny, when his decisons work, it's all luck, or CNS players. I think thats a tad unfair. If they work it's luck if they don't it's because he's stupid. Can't have it both ways.
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"I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it." --Thomas Jefferson
"Fortune favors the bold." -- Virgil
"We must believe in luck. For how else can we explain the success of those we don't like." -- Jean Cocteau
My nephew, an Alabama State Trooper, and totally devoted LSU fan told me that while he likes Les Miles, he misses and still loves Coach Saban. He had rather have Saban back for Miles right now. So, from a devoted LSU fan, that is what he would like. He goes to every LSU home game and some of their road games. Never misses an LSU game away on TV either. Cut him and he would bleed that yellow and purple. So, when I need my LSU point of view I ask him. And, he is still on the Saban band wagon.
In one of y'alls CBS games in 08 the announcers flashed up Les' 4th down success percentage in 08 (up to that point of the season) with 07. If I remember correctly it was a pretty big drop off in success rate.
I think a lot of things that fall under the "things just go your way" umbrella went the "other way" for Les in 08 whereas he could have loaded a six shooter with five bullets and stuck to his head and five out of five he'd of hit the one empty chamber.
My point was the scrutiny Miles calls gets is unfair.
In the 2001 SECCG, trailing 14-7 Coach Saban went for it on 4th down from his own 29 and didn't make it. Nothing was said after. If Les Miles does that, successfull or not............
4th Down Conversions for LSU
SEC Rank in '07 - 1st in the SEC - 2007 SEC Football - Leaders
SEC Rank in '08 - 11th in the SEC - 2008 SEC Football - Leaders
This is a never ending sick cycle until someone decides to budge. Criticism from LSU fans toward Saban and the ENTIRE BAMA program is unfair. So it all depends upon which road you choose to stand on to look at the situation.
Just as you have seen the "ridiculous", "reaching for straws" comments from bama fans. I think it is safe to say there are, at a minimum the same number that comes from the LSU fan base. I think both need to get over each other and move on. But saying and doing it are two different things.
It is nice that we can agree to disagree. I'm not changing my opinion and the LSU faithful on here aren't yielding anything either. If both of these coaches remain where they are for five more years, the record will speak for itself. I'm confident that Saban can stand up against any other.
Coach Stallings once called a fake punt late in the first half from around his own 7-8 yardline . It worked but , it was also extremely stupid . So was Miles's call against the barn .
Fair enough ? :wink:
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