Milroe discusses 2025 QB room

[BamaMoon]

This culling/changing had to happen.

Remember a couple years ago when CNS recruited some behemoth OL and we all assumed we were making a slight transition back to power football. That's the OL we've had the last couple of years now but, as I understand CKD's system, these guys don't fit and we'll go lighter/faster/more athletic on the OL. Wouldn't even shock me to hear Procter goes to the portal for this reason.

And notice the shift in WR recruiting? We've started targeting bigger/taller receivers.

And the change at QB that's coming HAD TO HAPPEN. When we heard only about 15 of CKD's offensive system had been installed with JM, that told us we were trying to win this year with smoke and mirrors.

So change is coming and I'm first in line to cheer it on.

 

[Power Eye]

Just so there's no confusion and misinformation, Law wasn't asked to leave nor was Odom. They both were wanted back and left on their own accord.

Law reminds me of Milroe; fantastic athlete but just doesn't fit into the system and wasn't excellent at the position he played. Regardless of whether we wanted Law back or not, I just don't see how his presence will be missed unless he had a real leadership presence on the team.

 

[BamaMoon]

QB next year?

I firmly believe JM is gone into the draft. He's better than Anthony Richardson and he was a first rounder.

TS? Makes the most sense. I love the kid's upside but it's disturbing CKD didn't give him more opportunities when the game was in hand or when Jm was really struggling.

AM? Kid could be the real deal. Tall and if the arm has developed and he understands the offense great things could happen.

But, Russell is not coming here to sit on the bench. I hope he at least has the patience to wait 1 year if TS is named starter. But TS has two years of eligibility left. Russell is coming to try to win the starting position and while it sounds risky, it may be the only way we keep him more than a year or two. Kid's coming into the bigs have more potential to adjust now than ever. We'll see, but I don't think the odds of him starting/playing are as low as some think.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Law reminds me of Milroe; fantastic athlete but just doesn't fit into the system and wasn't excellent at the position he played. Regardless of whether we wanted Law back or not, I just don't see how his presence will be missed unless he had a real leadership presence on the team.

Law (as with Odom and a few other unhappy WR's) got tired of being open and not being thrown the ball. I know law specifically wasn't targeted much at all and there were more than enough times I saw with my own eyes him being wide open. He wasn't the only one who felt that way, several of our WR's simply got tired of it.

That is why I've said, if Milroe comes back there will be a mass exodus of WR's leave not named Benard and Ryan Williams. Odom and Law just wanted out they were so disgusted. They are both excellent athletes and honestly, I wish both of them the best at their next stops. I can only imagine how frustrating it is to be asked to block, block, block and then be open and rarely be even looked at, all the while one guy is the entire offense while everyone else blocks for him. It was a real issue...

 

[Cruloc]

QB next year?

I firmly believe JM is gone into the draft. He's better than Anthony Richardson and he was a first rounder.

TS? Makes the most sense. I love the kid's upside but it's disturbing CKD didn't give him more opportunities when the game was in hand or when Jm was really struggling.

AM? Kid could be the real deal. Tall and if the arm has developed and he understands the offense great things could happen.

But, Russell is not coming here to sit on the bench. I hope he at least has the patience to wait 1 year if TS is named starter. But TS has two years of eligibility left. Russell is coming to try to win the starting position and while it sounds risky, it may be the only way we keep him more than a year or two. Kid's coming into the bigs have more potential to adjust now than ever. We'll see, but I don't think the odds of him starting/playing are as low as some think.

Simpson not getting opportunities when Milroe was struggling, leads one to assume we had some sort of deal in place....maybe not so dissimilar to what the Florida DL kid was asking for from Florida. And with DeBoer trying to keep the team together in his transition year, may have been "over the barrel" and really had no choice.

 

[gtgilbert]

Law reminds me of Milroe; fantastic athlete but just doesn't fit into the system and wasn't excellent at the position he played. Regardless of whether we wanted Law back or not, I just don't see how his presence will be missed unless he had a real leadership presence on the team.

based off watching 4 UW games from the 2023 season, I just don't see this as true. at UW they did a LOT of stuff that KLaw flashed as a true freshman with Young throwing to him, but that we haven't been able to do since JM was QB. We're going to miss him, and Odom, but honestly I can't blame them for not wanting to play one more game with the status quo.

 

[Power Eye]

based off watching 4 UW games from the 2023 season, I just don't see this as true. at UW they did a LOT of stuff that KLaw flashed as a true freshman with Young throwing to him, but that we haven't been able to do since JM was QB. We're going to miss him, and Odom, but honestly I can't blame them for not wanting to play one more game with the status quo.

I haven't seen enough from Odom to know how big of a loss this will be. He was obviously a highly regarded recruit coming in, but it sounds like he hasn't been satisfied all year. I don't know anything about the kid, but to expect to come in and as a true freshman and play a major role is a little much. Plus, he had several drops in his limited opportunities.

As for Law, I full recognize that having Milroe as a QB limited his production, but even when he had opportunities, I just didn't see a true wide receiver. I'm sure he's a great kid, and I wish him well, but I think we have guys that are just better, and not just Williams and Bernard, but Hale as well and even Cole Adams.

 

[cdub55]

I think it may be 2-3 years down the road before it really starts to roll out.

If you have the right contact you already know what has been going on for months now. Not everyone in that locker room is all about money and themselves. Some of those guys came to Alabama to win championships and add to the legacy of those before them.

 

[64 Grad]

Hope he plays well in the bowl game so he will definitely declare for the draft. Strange time to comment on the qb room, but not the first time his timing was bad. Remember when he declared himself great before the Michigan game last year.

 

[UAH]

Hope he plays well in the bowl game so he will definitely declare for the draft. Strange time to comment on the qb room, but not the first time his timing was bad. Remember when he declared himself great before the Michigan game last year.

I continue to see the debate on Quinn Ewers as to whether he will declare for the draft or enter the portal based on the fact that his draft stock reportedly has fallen and he may make more money in the portal. That causes me to wonder what round if any would Milroe drop to in that his stock has fallen so far not making the All sec list and not being invited to the Heisman ceremony.

He has had a "sweet" deal running the program at Alabama. Why would he leave without being driven out? Does CKD see this as a make or break situation?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I haven't seen enough from Odom to know how big of a loss this will be. He was obviously a highly regarded recruit coming in, but it sounds like he hasn't been satisfied all year. I don't know anything about the kid, but to expect to come in and as a true freshman and play a major role is a little much. Plus, he had several drops in his limited opportunities.

As for Law, I full recognize that having Milroe as a QB limited his production, but even when he had opportunities, I just didn't see a true wide receiver. I'm sure he's a great kid, and I wish him well, but I think we have guys that are just better, and not just Williams and Bernard, but Hale as well and even Cole Adams.

It's hard to tell how good any WR could be when their opportunities were severely limited. You can't expect a WR to catch every single ball, drops happen. But when I can dang near count the kid's "opportunities" on one hand while two other WR's are getting the ball thrown to them whether they're open or not, I'm not going to make a judgment on that player. As it relates to the offense as a whole, it truly sucked to have to run what we ran this season because of our "QB situation". It sucked to not be able to install the HC's full offense until his second season. It says a lot when the HC comes out and basically gives a public apology to the WR's who had to block, block, block all season and not really get an honest chance to participate in catching balls. That's what burns my butt.

 

[gtgilbert]

I haven't seen enough from Odom to know how big of a loss this will be. He was obviously a highly regarded recruit coming in, but it sounds like he hasn't been satisfied all year. I don't know anything about the kid, but to expect to come in and as a true freshman and play a major role is a little much. Plus, he had several drops in his limited opportunities.

As for Law, I full recognize that having Milroe as a QB limited his production, but even when he had opportunities, I just didn't see a true wide receiver. I'm sure he's a great kid, and I wish him well, but I think we have guys that are just better, and not just Williams and Bernard, but Hale as well and even Cole Adams.

Odom was wide open for way more opportunities where the ball was either not thrown, or thrown to a covered WR than he had drops.

Law had almost as many catches and yards (8 for 103) as a True Freshman than this season (10 for 105). As a true freshman he played in FOUR games. Let that sink in.

 

[81usaf92]

If you have the right contact you already know what has been going on for months now. Not everyone in that locker room is all about money and themselves. Some of those guys came to Alabama to win championships and add to the legacy of those before them.

The problem is that there are people who absolutely know. But once you release something that gives an unflattering image of a beloved coach or player you constantly get the “hardcore proof or it didn’t happen” remarks from people who just can’t read between the lines. There have been serious locker room issues the second Bryce took his last snap vs KSU in NOLA, and only now are many starting to come to terms with that truth.

 

[BamaMoon]

based off watching 4 UW games from the 2023 season, I just don't see this as true. at UW they did a LOT of stuff that KLaw flashed as a true freshman with Young throwing to him, but that we haven't been able to do since JM was QB. We're going to miss him, and Odom, but honestly I can't blame them for not wanting to play one more game with the status quo.

May or may not be what you are talking about, but we HAVE NOT been able to thrown slants and seam passes with JM. It's not his skill set because he's slow with his release (as you have documented) and much too inaccurate to hit receivers in tight spaces. it's why we see most of his passes being to static guys who run and go/stop patterns in holes in defenses (especially when they play zone). Against man defenses he seems to be able to be able to hit receives on shallow crossing routes, who can get a little separation off the LOS.

Basically, to be very effective Jalen needs big windows and needs to throw passes that don't require precise timing and accuracy.

In Deboer's system, he needs a QB who can do just that!

 

[davefrat]

If things are as bad in the locker room with the NIL/LANK stuff as they appear to be, is it possible that part of JM's passing distribution is partly due to him trying to get the ball to his LANK buddies, or perhaps intentionally ignoring some players who don't fully support him?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

If things are as bad in the locker room with the NIL/LANK stuff as they appear to be, is it possible that part of JM's passing distribution is partly due to him trying to get the ball to his LANK buddies, or perhaps intentionally ignoring some players who don't fully support him?

Now you're headed in the right direction...

 

[tusks_n_raider]

If things are as bad in the locker room with the NIL/LANK stuff as they appear to be, is it possible that part of JM's passing distribution is partly due to him trying to get the ball to his LANK buddies, or perhaps intentionally ignoring some players who don't fully support him?

As far as I know the only players wrapped up in Lank on offense are a couple OL and one RB.

The RB has already dipped and I imagine it's because of all the times Milroe calls his own number on Zone Reads.

With the WRs it's just that Milroe flat can't read the defense or see the open pockets of space fast enough post snap and rarely gets past the 1st 2 reads.

RW and Germie are more times than not those 2 options so whomever is the 3rd to 4th options are just running decoy routes.

So I don't think it's nefarious in this case..

It's just that MIlroe is a Bad QB.

I don't blame any of the WRs who have left.

Most everyone is saying JM is like 99.9999999% gone but I can see where those guys don't even want to chance it at this point.

I wish them luck wherever they go.

I don't care what JM does as long as it's not at Bama.

 

[davefrat]

Now you're headed in the right direction...

He must not be too bright despite his academic Heisman if he's putting that petty nonsense ahead of being the best and most successful QB he can be.

Is he not aware that more wins and being in the playoffs would probably net him many multiples of whatever he's making from NIL in terms of his draft position for the NFL?

What is happening?

 

[Cruloc]

If things are as bad in the locker room with the NIL/LANK stuff as they appear to be, is it possible that part of JM's passing distribution is partly due to him trying to get the ball to his LANK buddies, or perhaps intentionally ignoring some players who don't fully support him?

Remember branding too. 4+2=6........would tend to make a target get more throws even if they aren't technically in the LANK group.

Merchandising....as Master Yogurt would say.

 

[Cruloc]

He must not be too bright despite his academic Heisman if he's putting that petty nonsense ahead of being the best and most successful QB he can be.

Is he not aware that more wins and being in the playoffs would probably net him many multiples of whatever he's making from NIL in terms of his draft position for the NFL?

What is happening?

Different mentality now entirely. While most think Long Term > Short Term........these young kids aren't thinking long term.