Do you mean we need no rules about fumbling or just fumbling thru the end zone?
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Need a rule change for fumbling through endzone.
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I don't understand... unpack this. Why can't the ball be placed at the spot of the fumble if it does out of the endzone? If it happened at the 1" line or the 10 yard line, if the defense doesn't recover it why should the defense get possession? It's unlike any other penalty. It just seems to me that the punishment is WAY worse than the crime.
If I make a good hit at the 1 yd. line and cause a fumble that goes out of the endzone , why punish me by giving it back to the offense ?
I agree about that, I remember it helping teams I liked and hurting them.
It's just... hard to follow the logic of it. If no one recovers the ball, it goes to the other team. That's no less drastic and arbitrary than saying if no one recovers the ball it is a touchdown. The other team might have caused the fumble, but they didn't recover the ball, so why give them possession?
If for instance you are on the one yard line and you catch the ball, and then it pops out and rolls out the side of the end zone... if it is ruled a completion you lose possession. If it is ruled an in-completion you retain possession. Same play, same thing happens, no defender recovers, but drastically different outcomes. You repeat the same play several yards back, and it's better to have the completion. Same exact play, same basic result, but the position on the field determines whether having a completion or an in-completion is better or worse. That's just hard to reconcile.
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If a kick goes out of the back of the endzone it's a touchback. Same with a fumble. Perfectly logical to me. No penalty involved, just a logical action based on events. You want the ball at the spot of the fumble? Hold onto the ball. Why should the offense be rewarded for fumbling luck?
A&M player was fighting to get in the EZ, Clemsom player causes an airborne fumble that goes forward and OOB. Is called a TB as if it went OOB in the EZ and not the sideline, was reviewed and the call stood. It appeared to some of us that the ball went OOB in the field of play, not the EZ, and with the limited camera angles it was tough to actually tell exactly where it went OOB (as it went almost directly over the pylon).
Had he not played hero then they might’ve won, but leave it in the refs hands then you might not like the result
A kick, whether a kickoff or punt has the intent by rule of giving possession to the other team. A fumble is an offensive error that gives opportunity for either team to gain possession via recovery. If the defense doesn't recover; they don't deserve possession. Hardly the same thing imo.
I have no issue with the rule; in fact, I think it makes sense. I think the officials' execution could've been much better since it appears to me that review would make the call stand either way (execution in that the ball clearly appeared live to be OOB and not over the pylon).
There are already cameras in the pylons, it would appear that the next step would be putting a camera or other object sensing technology looking upward from the pylon.
There are already cameras in the pylons, it would appear that the next step would be putting a camera or other object sensing technology looking upward from the pylon.
The main issue is not the rule itself but with how replay is implemented. It’s 2018 for crying out loud and we still don’t have dedicated cameras providing multiple angles on the goal line. It’s ridiculous to have all this technology at our disposal yet they still get the call wrong.
If the ball goes out of bounds, sure. If it goes across the goal line and then out, no.
I'll say once more: Keep hold of the ball and you retain possession without any doubt. Fumble the ball and you lose control of the ball and the situation.
I really think it was just the "flight of the ball" and it was to far out of range in the air to catch it on camera. Just one of those things. I agree that it "looked" like it was going to the out of bounds part of the pylon. To me it was just a judgement call either way. Then again, maybe if he would've fumbled the ball a little lower it would've been easy.
If TAMU would've have finished drives in the first half, a judgement call wouldn't have decided their fate.
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I should clarify my “get the call wrong” comment wasn’t necessarily about this particular play, but just in general.
That being said, in this instance I do think the ball went out of bounds.
I don’t understand the logic of penalizing the offense to the extreme of losing the ball. If they fumble the ball and it goes out of bounds you dont award it to the defense. You give it back to the offense. All I am saying is that should apply in the endzone. Where else in the game can the offense lose possession of the ball without the defense recovering and you give it to the D? No where in the game does tbis happen except on this play.
I understand its a rule and that’s how the game has to be officiated. I am saying its a bad rule. I personally dont like the offense being able to fumble the ball forward and recover and get those yards. If you fumble forward and recover it should go back to where you fumbled. As many have stated. Why reward the offense for fumbling. That is exactly what you are doing when they recover their own fumble.
So here are the rules
You fumble and defense recovers you lose the ball.
You fumble forward out of bounds and it comes back to the spot.
You fumble forward and recover it you get the extra yards.
You fumble forward through the endzone and the defense gets the ball.
In only one of those rules does the fumble get rewarded. But its the same offensive mistake for all four. Same mistake has 3 different outcomes. How dumb is that?
And for those that asked about a Safety. That is fumbling backwards. You are always penalized if you fumble backwards by losing yards, possesion or a safety because that is the other teams endzone. We are talking about your endzone.
I understand its a rule and that’s how the game has to be officiated. I am saying its a bad rule. I personally dont like the offense being able to fumble the ball forward and recover and get those yards. If you fumble forward and recover it should go back to where you fumbled. As many have stated. Why reward the offense for fumbling. That is exactly what you are doing when they recover their own fumble.
So here are the rules
You fumble and defense recovers you lose the ball.
You fumble forward out of bounds and it comes back to the spot.
You fumble forward and recover it you get the extra yards.
You fumble forward through the endzone and the defense gets the ball.
In only one of those rules does the fumble get rewarded. But its the same offensive mistake for all four. Same mistake has 3 different outcomes. How dumb is that?
And for those that asked about a Safety. That is fumbling backwards. You are always penalized if you fumble backwards by losing yards, possesion or a safety because that is the other teams endzone. We are talking about your endzone.
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But, if the offense hustles and recovers the ball before it goes out of the end zone then they get a touchdown.
If the defense recovers in the end zone then they get a touchback and same if it goes through the end zone.
Hypothetical: Offensive player running towards the goal line decides to prematurely place the ball down before he crosses, and in the scramble for the ball it goes through the back of the end zone. You make the call!
If the defense recovers in the end zone then they get a touchback and same if it goes through the end zone.
Hypothetical: Offensive player running towards the goal line decides to prematurely place the ball down before he crosses, and in the scramble for the ball it goes through the back of the end zone. You make the call!
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