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My gut feeling is that it is not a done deal but I have no doubt that both sides have done a lot of the preliminary work. For instance, I'm sure CGM's agent has an informal offer on the table that he has informally passed on to the coach. I'm certain the story of the agent researching Alabama is very true. At this point there appears to be mutual interest which means all the preliminary stuff has been good for both sides. My guess is the CGM will wait until after his team loses before he will take time to fully research our offer and he will fully research it. Again with gut feelings, it is my gut feeling that Marshall is leaving WSU after this season is over and at this moment I do not see any other school that can come close to matching our offer and I'm not talking strictly dollars and cents. There could be a job or two that opens up in the next few days that could make things interesting but unless there is a major surprise (e.g. Cal leaves UK) then I don't see another job that will be more attractive than UA. I'm more concerned about Texas than Indiana because I don't think IU can get rid of Crean because of his massive buyout. They could negotiate it down but what incentive does Crean have to do that? He would have to have another job lined up but no one is going to offer him a job while he has the massive buyout at IU (classic chicken-egg situation). Texas could be a major competitor for CGM but I believe they will hang on to Barnes for another year. I REALLY like our chances of getting CGM.......
Just to be safe, let's all hope Witchita State loses before Kentucky. A vacancy in the Bluegrass changes everything.
Let's take a look at why it may not be a done deal just yet: Some of the SEC jobs could open up in next few weeks and this is my opinions:
Kentucky's John Clipari and Florida's Billy Donovan are rumored to be interested in NBA. Tennesee's Tyndall could be fired. Texas could let Rick Barnes go, if they think they have a chance with CGM. If all of those come to fruition, IT will become more compeitive for us, and all of suddenly, Archie Millie, Steve Prohom, Mike Anderson, etc could be looked at for those jobs. With the hiring of Ben Howland, and Alabama offering almost 4 million dollar... Lot of other schools are paying attention to this and we have to be very careful about how we're handling this. Last thing we want to do is fall flat on our face and end up with a coach that no body wanted in the first place.
Kentucky's John Clipari and Florida's Billy Donovan are rumored to be interested in NBA. Tennesee's Tyndall could be fired. Texas could let Rick Barnes go, if they think they have a chance with CGM. If all of those come to fruition, IT will become more compeitive for us, and all of suddenly, Archie Millie, Steve Prohom, Mike Anderson, etc could be looked at for those jobs. With the hiring of Ben Howland, and Alabama offering almost 4 million dollar... Lot of other schools are paying attention to this and we have to be very careful about how we're handling this. Last thing we want to do is fall flat on our face and end up with a coach that no body wanted in the first place.
NOw, that's unlikely. 79ers, Timberwolves, Hornets, New York, Kings, Nuggets, Jazz, Magic is most likely interested...
Yeah, the Kentucky job being open changes everything. I think we could compete with just about any other potential opening (I said compete, not necessarily beat) but not with Kentucky.
Ok, I'd have to say if Calipari goes to the NBA he's making a huge mistake. He is making 5.4 million, his job is secure as can be, things are going great. The top end pay for the NBA and NCAA are about the same, why take that risk? Why risk being in a situation like Steve Spurrier, where all you can do is go to a second tier job and grumble about another school having more to work with?
That aside, Kentucky could be very disrupting to Alabama's plans. They are the only SEC program clearly ahead of Alabama, and Marshall would probably want to wait if the job was open. However, it's a bit much to assume that he'd get that job. He's the top name in terms of who Alabama seems to have a shot at, when you talk jobs like North Carolina, Kentucky, etc... you are talking about jobs that can lure NBA coaches, that can lure people out of retirement, that can get people to leave other elite schools. Also, I think Alabama is actually a better fit because the only question mark is how well Marshall can handle elite recruits. At Alabama that's not mandatory, he's proven he can win with 3 star guys. However, at Kentucky? He'd have to be able to handle those elite recruits, and to me that's why Calipari has excelled, it's also one reason Saban has excelled. It's not a sure thing for Marshall.
I'm going to continue hoping Marshall loses his next game, really... if I listen to what's said I start to feel better about Alabama's chances. The indications are that he wants resources, well Alabama is one of the top programs in the nation capable of providing resources. Some say he has a big ego, well if he does then he won't be scared by Alabama's lack of recent success (much in the same way Saban wasn't). It just seems like a good fit.
That aside, Kentucky could be very disrupting to Alabama's plans. They are the only SEC program clearly ahead of Alabama, and Marshall would probably want to wait if the job was open. However, it's a bit much to assume that he'd get that job. He's the top name in terms of who Alabama seems to have a shot at, when you talk jobs like North Carolina, Kentucky, etc... you are talking about jobs that can lure NBA coaches, that can lure people out of retirement, that can get people to leave other elite schools. Also, I think Alabama is actually a better fit because the only question mark is how well Marshall can handle elite recruits. At Alabama that's not mandatory, he's proven he can win with 3 star guys. However, at Kentucky? He'd have to be able to handle those elite recruits, and to me that's why Calipari has excelled, it's also one reason Saban has excelled. It's not a sure thing for Marshall.
I'm going to continue hoping Marshall loses his next game, really... if I listen to what's said I start to feel better about Alabama's chances. The indications are that he wants resources, well Alabama is one of the top programs in the nation capable of providing resources. Some say he has a big ego, well if he does then he won't be scared by Alabama's lack of recent success (much in the same way Saban wasn't). It just seems like a good fit.
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That's why CGM isn't dumb. He knows that. The fact he said he is willing to listen, sounds like an invitation for other schools to make their pitches... In a way, that was his ego speaking... By the way, Steve Prohom season ended last night, and what a game they had. Moss nailed a game tie shot, and then ODU nailed last second shot.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/3/25/8288323/john-calipari-brooklyn-nets-coach-rumors-kentucky-2015
It's sounding like it may happen, and it could happen. Lot of his failure in NBA was related to how he handled lot of things. Since then, he learned a lot and I think he'll be fine. He did lead the NETS to playoff in his second season. That's why we probably won't hear anything for a while, especially if CGM knows if Kentucky's coach may be leaving, he may perfer that over Alabama....
It's sounding like it may happen, and it could happen. Lot of his failure in NBA was related to how he handled lot of things. Since then, he learned a lot and I think he'll be fine. He did lead the NETS to playoff in his second season. That's why we probably won't hear anything for a while, especially if CGM knows if Kentucky's coach may be leaving, he may perfer that over Alabama....
Well, no issue there. X's and O's just barely enter into an NBA coach's duties.
UK job not coming open this year. Even if they go 40-0 he will stay and see if they can do 80-0. He will actually have people back from this year and another great class in next year. He wont leave until people catch up with him or they change the one and done rules. What is said about ego and going to NBA is the same thing that will keep him at UK. Just as big of a figure in KY as Saban is in Alabama. Maybe more. And when he does leave or retire any coach in their right mind would not want to follow. I am not that big of a Cal but people in KY absolutely love him and will tear up the next coach if he is not as successful.
He probably wont have most of the players back... I project at least 8 or 9 players to declare for NBA.... The depth is so deep, that he has Team 1a and 1b.... so I doubt it.
Greg Marshall saying he'd listen to an offer from Alabama is just about the best news we could possibly hope for. And the "crazy offer" part, well if you just go with the 3.5 million dollar idea, that would double his pay. Alabama could guarantee that for 5 years, and in doing so insure he'd make as much as ten years at his current job. I'm not sure if that's crazy in and of itself, but Alabama could also make other insurances, including significant investments in the basketball program. Also, 3.5 million would mean Alabama would pay as much as the UCLA job, top ten pay, and I'm not sure how he could ask for much more.
Archie Miller just agreed to a contract extension through 2021-2022. We can probably take him off the list of backup plans for Marshall.
You have apparently never watched the Spurs. Sure they have good players, but the system is what makes it work. No player on the Spurs are probably the top player in the league at their position, they just are very disciplined. All the NBA teams have talent, the difference is often the coaching.
As far as Marshall, I believe he is ours to lose. UK could be a problem, but I think Texas is a non starter. Much like Saban, he does not want boosters telling him how to run his team and UT is notorious for big donors interfering with their teams. UK is the premier job in America and I would not blame him if he took it, but I know the boosters there will give Cal whatever he asks for to stay. It may be he just wants a big raise. Coaches are very egotistical though, but it ceases to become about the money at some point. It becomes about their coaching legacy. Does he want to be known as one of the great coaches in NCAA history or does he want to be known as a coach who moves around every 5 years. The other factors may be when he has left every program, they have had NCAA issues. He may be just ahead of the NCAA posse.
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