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From CNN:

Dr. Michael Guillen, a scientist, journalist and author who was the first TV correspondent to report from the Titanic, said he thinks ocean tourism needs to be paused following the deaths of the five people aboard the Titan submersible.

Guillen survived a close call in 2000, when he says the submersible he was in got caught in an underwater current, causing a collision with the propeller of the Titanic wreck.

He said there are two main reasons for taking a pause, based on his experience.

"Number one, the sea is dangerous. This is not a playground. The ocean is restless and I think of it when I was looking at the North Atlantic waters. They're dark, they're cold; they just want to swallow you up if you make the tiniest little mistake," he said in an interview on CNN.

"Second of all, what I took away from my trip down there was that this isn't just a shipwreck. I went down there thinking I'm just going to report on a shipwreck, but what hit me — especially in that moment of prayer, and it came home to me — that people lost their lives. Men, women and children. More than 1,000 of them. This is their final resting place. This is sacred ground," he said.

"I think we should pause, figure out what happened so we can fix it in the future, but also think of the danger and think of the sacredness of this site. It's not a joyride. It's not a Disneyland destination," he added.
 

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From CNN:

Dr. Michael Guillen, a scientist, journalist and author who was the first TV correspondent to report from the Titanic, said he thinks ocean tourism needs to be paused following the deaths of the five people aboard the Titan submersible.

Guillen survived a close call in 2000, when he says the submersible he was in got caught in an underwater current, causing a collision with the propeller of the Titanic wreck.

He said there are two main reasons for taking a pause, based on his experience.

"Number one, the sea is dangerous. This is not a playground. The ocean is restless and I think of it when I was looking at the North Atlantic waters. They're dark, they're cold; they just want to swallow you up if you make the tiniest little mistake," he said in an interview on CNN.

"Second of all, what I took away from my trip down there was that this isn't just a shipwreck. I went down there thinking I'm just going to report on a shipwreck, but what hit me — especially in that moment of prayer, and it came home to me — that people lost their lives. Men, women and children. More than 1,000 of them. This is their final resting place. This is sacred ground," he said.

"I think we should pause, figure out what happened so we can fix it in the future, but also think of the danger and think of the sacredness of this site. It's not a joyride. It's not a Disneyland destination," he added.
If you have visited the Titanic you have no right to criticize anyone else who goes there.
 

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I didn’t see a thread about this, but I think it does raise several questions.
Should the government allow the wealthy to undertake these dangerous endeavors? And if so, should the government require that certain guidelines be met for purely safety reasons?
And should taxpayers foot the bill for the attempted rescue of the uber rich from an incredibly dangerous “adventure”, when the company behind the trip refused to follow (what to me are common sense) recommendations from experienced engineering professionals?
I mean, I do feel sorry for the families of the deceased, but those guys died doing something that was unbelievably dangerous, and they knew the risk. All I can say for them is I hope DJ finds them a relatively warm (?) resting place in his locker.
 
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GOP Lawmaker Finds Way To Blame Lost Submersible On ‘Epic Failure Of Leadership’

Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas) laid blame Thursday on the U.S. Coast Guard after the armed forces branch said it had found pieces of the lost Titan submersible on the ocean floor. Things might have turned out differently, he said, if leadership “had just acted sooner.”

“You know, we’ve got to look into it, see what’s true and what isn’t. … What appears to be the case is epic failure in leadership. Where exactly that leadership failure is, I don’t know. Is it the White House, Coast Guard, Navy? I’m not sure.”
 

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Depending on how “cost” is figured, it would be well into the millions, maybe even tens of millions. But I think the law cited in the article makes the point moot. Regardless of the financial status of the people being rescued, whether they were bankrupt or Warren Buffett, there would be no charge.

Apparently, there’s a fair number of commercial submersible operators, though few to none go as deep as OceanGate. So there’s no doubt this will lead to requirements for initial engineering certification and periodic re-certification for all of them, regardless of the depth they go.

It always seems that the common-sense requirements come only after a tragedy.
 

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I didn’t see a thread about this, but I think it does raise several questions.
Should the government allow the wealthy to undertake these dangerous endeavors? And if so, should the government require that certain guidelines be met for purely safety reasons?
And should taxpayers foot the bill for the attempted rescue of the uber rich from an incredibly dangerous “adventure”, when the company behind the trip refused to follow (what to me are common sense) recommendations from experienced engineering professionals?
I mean, I do feel sorry for the families of the deceased, but those guys died doing something that was unbelievably dangerous, and they knew the risk. All I can say for them is I hope DJ finds them a relatively warm (?) resting place in his locker.
These guys are "so rich" and they don't "need the government". They should be required by law to either, as part of the stupid waivers they sign indemnifying the sub builders/ trip coordinators, hold harmless and forego all rescues by the taxpayers or post a $1 Billion escrow for such services, if needed later.
 

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GOP Lawmaker Finds Way To Blame Lost Submersible On ‘Epic Failure Of Leadership’

Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas) laid blame Thursday on the U.S. Coast Guard after the armed forces branch said it had found pieces of the lost Titan submersible on the ocean floor. Things might have turned out differently, he said, if leadership “had just acted sooner.”

“You know, we’ve got to look into it, see what’s true and what isn’t. … What appears to be the case is epic failure in leadership. Where exactly that leadership failure is, I don’t know. Is it the White House, Coast Guard, Navy? I’m not sure.”
so, big government didn't do enough to save john galt from a massive self-own
 

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From CNN:

Dr. Michael Guillen, a scientist, journalist and author who was the first TV correspondent to report from the Titanic, said he thinks ocean tourism needs to be paused following the deaths of the five people aboard the Titan submersible.

Guillen survived a close call in 2000, when he says the submersible he was in got caught in an underwater current, causing a collision with the propeller of the Titanic wreck.

He said there are two main reasons for taking a pause, based on his experience.

"Number one, the sea is dangerous. This is not a playground. The ocean is restless and I think of it when I was looking at the North Atlantic waters. They're dark, they're cold; they just want to swallow you up if you make the tiniest little mistake," he said in an interview on CNN.

"Second of all, what I took away from my trip down there was that this isn't just a shipwreck. I went down there thinking I'm just going to report on a shipwreck, but what hit me — especially in that moment of prayer, and it came home to me — that people lost their lives. Men, women and children. More than 1,000 of them. This is their final resting place. This is sacred ground," he said.

"I think we should pause, figure out what happened so we can fix it in the future, but also think of the danger and think of the sacredness of this site. It's not a joyride. It's not a Disneyland destination," he added.
i have similar thoughts on everest tourism
 

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GOP Lawmaker Finds Way To Blame Lost Submersible On ‘Epic Failure Of Leadership’

Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas) laid blame Thursday on the U.S. Coast Guard after the armed forces branch said it had found pieces of the lost Titan submersible on the ocean floor. Things might have turned out differently, he said, if leadership “had just acted sooner.”

“You know, we’ve got to look into it, see what’s true and what isn’t. … What appears to be the case is epic failure in leadership. Where exactly that leadership failure is, I don’t know. Is it the White House, Coast Guard, Navy? I’m not sure.”
I was just waiting to see who would be dumb enough to try this...how can they act sooner in a totally free market economy? Does he want more "Big Government" to watch over us?
 

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I didn’t see a thread about this, but I think it does raise several questions.
Should the government allow the wealthy to undertake these dangerous endeavors? And if so, should the government require that certain guidelines be met for purely safety reasons?
And should taxpayers foot the bill for the attempted rescue of the uber rich from an incredibly dangerous “adventure”, when the company behind the trip refused to follow (what to me are common sense) recommendations from experienced engineering professionals?
I mean, I do feel sorry for the families of the deceased, but those guys died doing something that was unbelievably dangerous, and they knew the risk. All I can say for them is I hope DJ finds them a relatively warm (?) resting place in his locker.
Not only was it an expensive trip. The capsule wasn't routinely checked. The Experts agree that Composite would possibly fail due to the tremendous pressure at those depths. These capsules were designed for air travel by Boeing Avation. Not water.
Look for the Lawsuits to fly. Hot and heavy.
AND... Most of the safety features were left off to provide for extra cargo room.
Lastly there was no plan B.
Cost of recovery will be paid by our government.
Specifically by the U.S. COAST GUARD. We foot the bill eventually.
 
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GOP Lawmaker Finds Way To Blame Lost Submersible On ‘Epic Failure Of Leadership’

Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas) laid blame Thursday on the U.S. Coast Guard after the armed forces branch said it had found pieces of the lost Titan submersible on the ocean floor. Things might have turned out differently, he said, if leadership “had just acted sooner.”

“You know, we’ve got to look into it, see what’s true and what isn’t. … What appears to be the case is epic failure in leadership. Where exactly that leadership failure is, I don’t know. Is it the White House, Coast Guard, Navy? I’m not sure.”
Pretty sure this is a private venture, and likely had
no government oversite. I look for the Coast Guard to take the stance that this was a private business. Afterall the Company charged the passengers $250,000 each for the trip.
The Coast Guard will say they go where they are scent.
 

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it seems like a lot of folks equate cutting corners with disruption/innovation

from the ceo's wiki

In a 2022 podcast with CBS reporter David Pogue, Rush discussed his attitude toward what he perceived as excessive safety precautions: "You know, at some point, safety just is pure waste. I mean if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk/reward question. I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules."[21]
One’s perceived self awesomeness will not repeal the laws of physics.
 

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