Alabama: Nick Saban Feels 'Really Good' About QB Tyler Buchner's Development

[81usaf92]

Counterpoint: it’s easy to look back at those things with hindsight and say they were angled to a standard cause it did eventually worked out. Had those things turned out like 2022 they would be so viciously mocked now. Once again, you make a lot of good points and I am not saying you are wrong. The LANK thing is lame but 18-22 year old are corny and lame. They get off on that crap. I guess we are just going to see how it all plays out.

it doesn’t bother me as much in theory as much as how it was pushed. They are really trying to push it to suggest that the locker room was right and the skeptics were wrong. Had we beaten Texas and then they started it then it wouldn’t be as short sighted

 

[STONECOLDSABAN]

it doesn’t bother me as much in theory as much as how it was pushed. They are really trying to push it to suggest that the locker room was right and the skeptics were wrong. Had we beaten Texas and then they started it then it wouldn’t be as short sighted

You’re not wrong

 

[2003TIDE]

Both..Texas did have 2 1st round starters and MTSU did use exotic blitzes. Not defending our o-line but not every point that doesn’t end in “our guys just suck” is an excuse.

Got it. We aren’t bad. Everyone else just is better than us/has better scheme.

Whew I was really worried there for a second. Glad it was all just in my head.

 

[STONECOLDSABAN]

Got it. We aren’t bad. Everyone else just is better than us/has better scheme.

Whew I was really worried there for a second. Glad it was all just in my head.

That’s not what I said but ok.

 

[81usaf92]

You’re not wrong

I could be. It’s just not my taste to each their own. I’m more frustrated at this point than anything about how the qb situation has played out almost exactly the way I feared. So it could be innocent and something that is truly a bonding thing but how and when it’s been presented doesn’t shed positive light on it.

 

[STONECOLDSABAN]

I could be. It’s just not my taste to each their own. I’m more frustrated at this point than anything about how the qb situation has played out almost exactly the way I feared. So it could be innocent and something that is truly a bonding thing but how and when it’s been presented doesn’t shed positive light on it.

I just meant you’re right with how freaking dumb and forced it sounds lol. But 18-22 year olds are weird and do buy into that crap…we’ll see.

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

I just meant you’re right with how freaking dumb and forced it sounds lol. But 18-22 year olds are weird and do buy into that crap…we’ll see.

18-22 year olds do strange things and are easily led................

 

[Ole Man Dan]

I have a feeling that this weekend is when CNS stirs the pot and Buchner starts. If Simpson leaves and/or Milroe that will leave room for Sayin.




Saban confident about Buchner

If Coach Saban is confident in Buckner. PLAY HIM.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

Maybe Saban is telling the team, OK, I tried your guy. Now I'm going to try Rees's guy.

If that was so, why waste a whole game pointing out the fact that Milroe is slow making reads and poor on passing.
I'm from the school that says if it ain't working, try something else, or try someone else. (There is a Coaching issue here)

 

[tusks_n_raider]

If Ty B doesn't play Significant snaps this week my hopes for this season will be pretty low.

I really like Jalen Milroe the person but unfortunately he just doesn't have what it takes to be a Pocket Passing QB right now and he might not ever.

Those 2 INT's have to be two of the worst I've ever seen from an Alabama starting QB.

There were several other severely dangerous throws made too that he was lucky to get away with.

I mean I get that CNS wants to gives guys a fair shot and he definitely favors Upper Classmen even when the guy on the bench is maybe better...

But my god how did we not make a change vs Texas at some point.

We've basically now wasted two games where some QB development could be made.

The longer that Jalen starts the MORE time we will waste.

My gut feeling says we are going to drop a 2nd game somewhere before a change is actually made.

Then we will HAVE to run the table and hope for massive chaos to make the playoffs at 10-2 or 11-2 if we somehow can win the SEC with 2 losses (Mean 1 Conf Loss and 2 Overall)

We are not making things easy imo.

I hope I'm bigly wrong though.

 

[LeBron47]

If Ty B doesn't play Significant snaps this week my hopes for this season will be pretty low.

I really like Jalen Milroe the person but unfortunately he just doesn't have what it takes to be a Pocket Passing QB right now and he might not ever.

Those 2 INT's have to be two of the worst I've ever seen from an Alabama starting QB.

There were several other severely dangerous throws made too that he was lucky to get away with.

I mean I get that CNS wants to gives guys a fair shot and he definitely favors Upper Classmen even when the guy on the bench is maybe better...

But my god how did we not make a change vs Texas at some point.

We've basically now wasted two games where some QB development could be made.

The longer that Jalen starts the MORE time we will waste.

My gut feeling says we are going to drop a 2nd game somewhere before a change is actually made.

Then we will HAVE to run the table and hope for massive chaos to make the playoffs at 10-2 or 11-2 if we somehow can win the SEC with 2 losses.

We are not making things easy imo.

I hope I'm bigly wrong though.

Love JM athleticism, and him as a person, but the bold face in this quote says it all which is he is not confident in big games to make the right choices. Does he have no value for Alabama definitely he does but he needs to be at another position to better show case his talents… WR, RB or maybe both. He truly is n the wrong place but if he is utilized correctly he will be a total asset to the team.

 

[Cruloc]

If Ty B doesn't play Significant snaps this week my hopes for this season will be pretty low.

I really like Jalen Milroe the person but unfortunately he just doesn't have what it takes to be a Pocket Passing QB right now and he might not ever.

Those 2 INT's have to be two of the worst I've ever seen from an Alabama starting QB.

There were several other severely dangerous throws made too that he was lucky to get away with.

I mean I get that CNS wants to gives guys a fair shot and he definitely favors Upper Classmen even when the guy on the bench is maybe better...

But my god how did we not make a change vs Texas at some point.

We've basically now wasted two games where some QB development could be made.

The longer that Jalen starts the MORE time we will waste.

My gut feeling says we are going to drop a 2nd game somewhere before a change is actually made.

Then we will HAVE to run the table and hope for massive chaos to make the playoffs at 10-2 or 11-2 if we somehow can win the SEC with 2 losses (Mean 1 Conf Loss and 2 Overall)

We are not making things easy imo.

I hope I'm bigly wrong though.

Sounds like Saban was going to yank Milroe and then we got a TD so he left him in. I think it was the TD that got us up 16-13. Then Texas went back up 20-16 quickly. Saban probably was hoping Milroe was settling in or something I dont know, but then Milroe throws his second pick and really put us behind the 8 ball. Guess it was too late to take him out then, who knows.

Don't remember what time in the game they showed Rees looking like he had no idea what to do. Still haven't figured out if that was him being frustrated with Milroe and the OL or just flat out not knowing what to do. My guess is he just didn't know where to go next because of how badly everyone was playing.

And this is where I don't think things will change......I don't think we have an offensive leader that can snap his teammates into reality or give them confidence. Who is the alpha guy on offensive?

 

[glorydays1990]

it doesn’t bother me as much in theory as much as how it was pushed. They are really trying to push it to suggest that the locker room was right and the skeptics were wrong. Had we beaten Texas and then they started it then it wouldn’t be as short sighted

A lot of the things you are saying I was hoping was the case. Definitley seemed like the team was for Milroe and Saban was hopeful.

Saturday night I think Saban knew and now everyone knows... Milroe aint it... He hopefully had a meeting with the leaders of the team, explained the direction and we are moving forward.

If Milroe starts on Saturday. I cant imagine the backlash.

Waiting on a Saban update today. Sure we wont know until kickoff Saturday. But thats the only reason for me to tune in. If Milroe starts, i'll likley cut it off pretty quick.

 

[BamaMoon]

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This is interesting. Hopefully it means something!

I mean I get that CNS wants to gives guys a fair shot and he definitely favors Upper Classmen even when the guy on the bench is maybe better...

So here's my question: why not give Ty Simpson a "fair shot?" He's been here longer that TB too.

I heard a few things about TB I can't repeat, but at least give him series or two to see if he's a "gamer."

 

[Bamabuzzard]

This is interesting. Hopefully it means something!



So here's my question: why not give Ty Simpson a "fair shot?" He's been here longer that TB too.

**I heard a few things about TB I can't repeat, but at least give him series or two to see if he's a "gamer."

Granted, anything we "hear" that goes beyond second-hand information needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But, I wonder about the confidence level the staff has in Simpson as it relates to his psyche. Things we "heard" out of the offseason seemed to point toward him being "in his head" a lot and not mentally ready to play. Geeze, for him to be third on the depth chart just screams red flags for me.

**About his personality, play, both, etc.? You don't have to be specific, just a general idea that doesn't cross the line of bashing a player but enough to give information.

 

[glorydays1990]

when TB was brought in after spring I think it said it all.

TS and JM i think had more potiential but TB was brought in to be the stop gap. The G-Mac type guy. Saban probably knew/knows the team isnt good enough to win it with that type QB, and was probably pulling hard for both TS and JM to win the job.

After saturday i think its clear that the BAD is going to far outweigh the good.. so hopefully are turning the page to more of a game manager type QB. The ceiling may not be as high with him, but it cant get much worse.

Again JM two starts at QB are the worst starts of any QB since Brandon Avalos. I know he racked up stats from being an athlete but from a pure QB ability standpoint, by far the worst.

 

[dvldog]

I think the two remaining QBs are similar with Buchner being a better runner and Simpson being the better passer. The difference is not so great that both could run the same offense. I still think TS has the higher upside of the two. One of them needs to start the next game and the other should also get significant playing time. Then make a decision going in to the Ole Miss game. But I am not the coach of Alabama. I just play him on my couch.

 

[BamaMoon]

Granted, anything we "hear" that goes beyond second-hand information needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But, I wonder about the confidence level the staff has in Simpson as it relates to his psyche. Things we "heard" out of the offseason seemed to point toward him being "in his head" a lot and not mentally ready to play. Geeze, for him to be third on the depth chart just screams red flags for me.

**About his personality, play, both, etc.? You don't have to be specific, just a general idea that doesn't cross the line of bashing a player but enough to give information.

I share your frustration since being the QB expert that I am I think TS looks to be the one with the most arm talent.

Put it this way, the problem I've heard about has nothing to do with "arm talent." It seems to have to do more with "maturity" to me, which (*if true*) kinda surprises me since he's a coach's son.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

when TB was brought in after spring I think it said it all.

TS and JM i think had more potiential but TB was brought in to be the stop gap. The G-Mac type guy. Saban probably knew/knows the team isnt good enough to win it with that type QB, and was probably pulling hard for both TS and JM to win the job.

After saturday i think its clear that the BAD is going to far outweigh the good.. so hopefully are turning the page to more of a game manager type QB. The ceiling may not be as high with him, but it cant get much worse.

Again JM two starts at QB are the worst starts of any QB since Brandon Avalos. I know he racked up stats from being an athlete but from a pure QB ability standpoint, by far the worst.

Yep, I agree. When TB was brought in it didn't take long for "something isn't right" posts to start popping up, and rightfully so. If we can get the OL issues fixed, I still think we have the surrounding talent that a game manager, done the right way, can keep us in the title hunt. Granted, the margin for error has now become razor-thin, but I still think we'd have a shot.

 

[Cruloc]

I share your frustration since being the QB expert that I am I think TS looks to be the one with the most arm talent.

Put it this way, the problem I've heard about has nothing to do with "arm talent." It seems to have to do more with "maturity" to me, which (*if true*) kinda surprises me since he's a coach's son.

Didn't Simpson come from a small high school in Tennessee? Still find it strange that a coach's kid mighty have a maturity issue. But what do I know.