Game Thread: **Official** Alabama vs Tulane thread POST GAME

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Offense-needs lots of work. I was suprised to see us go away from the run
To be honest I was appalled by the play calling. Alabama ran something like 27 passing players (11/23 for 79 yards no TDs and four sacks I think) and they ran something like 21 designed running players for 99 yards, 1TD and what ever JPW got on his designed run.

I told my brother before the game that Alabama should try to establish the run early then build off that. They seemed determine not to. 2 and 4 on the first possession? Pass and pass again. We saw passes on first down and so on and mind you this was with us not moving the ball. The running game worked, the passing game didn't work but until late in the third quarter there seemed to be a refusal to give the running game a chance. To me, Alabama could run on Tulane and would have done a lot more damage if they'd just called the plays a little more often, especially when you consider that JPW was getting mauled when he went back to pass.

I thought last week vs. Clemson, we established an identity on offense based on hard-nosed running with play-action passing. We all loved the result. The game plan tonight abandoned that completely for this spread offense with Wilson trying to throw the ball all over the place. It looked too much like last year's offense where we put everything on Wilson.
Agreed..... what frustrated me so much was that it's fine to open things up once you have a cushion. It seemed like Alabama had certain things they wanted to do this game and moving the ball took a back seat to running certain plays. It was frustrating because the running game worked this week and it worked last week they just seemed determined not to rely on it.

I'm probably more frustrated with the offensive play calling then I am with the execution. You try to win the game, get a big lead then you can toy around with stuff, but why get away from what works?

The good news is the defense looked good and Alabama dodged a bullet. This could have been another ULM (key players missing in both games, sluggish offense) but JPW didn't make any major mistakes and the team kept their composure enough to win.
 

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I don't think we can walk into Athens and rely on them to fold under our running game like Clemson did. It just won't happen against the top SEC defenses. We need a more balanced attack, or else we'll look as inept as South Carolina. I think that's what we tried to practice against Tulane, but our line gave out and we had 2nd/3rd stringers in at new positions the whole game. Tonight pretty much confirms that Wilson still can't respond well to pressure and usually fails to recognize the blitz. I figure we'll have to endure many more games like this one.
 

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Ya'll are depressing...lighten up.:)

I feel like this game boils down to 4 things:
1-Tulane sat around at Samford for 2 weeks planning how to beat bama
2-Our playcalling was made to try out certain plays/was detatched from the game
3-was a 'let down' game after clemson
4-2 new ols put line out of sinc

This game was kind of annoying cause Bama was in the "I'm so sorry Gustav made you leave New Orleans" mode and Tulane was in the "Screw New Orleans, I'm gonna kick your butt" mode. They came prepared and they came to play. With that said, I never once felt that the game was out of our control. All their little dinky passes were annoying, but we only allowed 6 points. We are not as bad as we looked tonight. Next week will be better!!! Everyone seems to have thrown the season in the trash after a W. Relax.:)



PS-Somebody block that CB Blitz!!!!!!! Aghhhh!!!
PPS-I agree with everthing said by KrAzY3.
 

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I don't think we can walk into Athens and rely on them to fold under our running game like Clemson did. It just won't happen against the top SEC defenses.... I think that's what we tried to practice against... Tonight pretty much confirms that Wilson still can't respond well to pressure
I don't think Alabama can expect that either, but they can't play week 2 to win week 5, that's how you lose to a inferior team. Practice is the key word, Alabama implemented a game plan like it was practice and that's just not smart.

Here's the sad part, Alabama could have established the run, gotten a comfortable lead then once Tulane was reeling a bit tried out some things. Instead, they seemed determine (at the expense of JPW and at risk of losing the game) to practice certain things. The end result was nothing got accomplished, that's just not wise in my opinion. Now we all have to hope they can fit everything into their next game.

As far as JPW, you have to give him time. Brodie didn't play well laying on his back either. All the more reason that Alabama should have established the run first, then started preparing for Georgia...
 

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Overall I still found a lot of positives about this game for Bama.

Our premise for this season has been that our first team may be as good as anybodies' in the league (at least the division), but 2nd-3rd is still extremely young or not as talented as other team's. When our strength on offense is our O line and in essence we lose 3 starters with 2 out with injuries and Mike Johnson moving from where he is a strength at guard, to a weakness at LT, its going to effect the offense terribly. To add to that, I think we came out with a gameplan that said we were going to treat this game like a practice and see if we can throw and implement new wrinkles in it instead of going the ball control route of last week (which is an offense I expect to come out with against all the big time competition). Well Tulane was able to exploit the offensive line and put big time pressure on JP early and often and sack him 4 times (all unavoidable IMO by him).

As for the positives. I'd say one was JP. It sucked that he missed that TD to Julio by not leading him inside. However, last 2 years this would've been a game that would've had me seeking out JP on campus and getting dragged away by campus police. Tulane played physical and well defensively and got to him in the backfield. But JP didn't force anything, he ate the ball when he had to, threw it away when he had to, and didn't turn the ball over trying to make a play when he was under duress. And he still made some good throws to help move the offense.

Another positive is it still looks like we have a great running game. We just didn't go to it enough. In spite of our injuries at O line and Tulane playing surprisingly good defensively both of our running backs were highly efficient on the ground. Both Ingram and Coffee were close to 6 yards per carry with only 11 and 9 carries apiece respectively. I think our staff will be smart going forward and rush the ball down everyone's throats. Even though I still want to see what we have when we're throwing it at full strength.

Another strength, our special teams look great and well...special (though we may need to take a look at our kickoff coverage). Javier is a kickass returner. Tiffin has looked good so far and did last year. And we were able to put some pressure on their fg attempts up the middle.

Biggest positive= our defense. I mean they basically doubled us in plays with 82. And their QB was actually making great throws and buying time, yet we gave up 6 points. 3 of which were given up to 2 BS penalties. When I said we don't have depth, yeah we thought that went towards the defense too, but Im not so sure that it does (save maybe 2 spots at LB). The DBs are deep, the DL is deep. I think Reamer and Chavis are very strong at SLB and we will be very strong at MLB with Rolando and Prince. However, Fanney has been a surprise at Jack and is actually making plays not just being a solid contributor and not screwing up. That was something I was worried about coming into the season, and he's been great. Reamer has obviously been a playmaker as well, which is a great surprise. Pretty much we don't have the weakness at LB as projected. Our biggest weakness may be Donta in coverage and that's not really a major weakness. If it had been last 2 year's depth and last 2 year's conditioning, our defense would've allowed Tulane to look like great defensively by the 2nd half. They were on the field all game (ala 2005) and they were stout (ala 2005)

The reason Im not so down on our offense is for 2 reasons. 1. I know we aren't that bad offensively. Not even close. Simple case of poor gameplanning, poor focus, staff trying to implement new wrinkles in an offense as if its practice and chose the wrong game due to Tulane's tenacity and the lack of OL. 2nd. I think its quite possible that our defense is going to hold even some of our top competition down to single digits or close.
 

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Whoever had Week 2 in the 'how long will it take the Bama Nation to determine it's smarter than Coach McElwain' in the office pool, swing by and pick up your prize.

Here's my barometer on play-calling: watch the sideline and see how often CNS rips the offensive staff a new one; or watch the press conference and count the number of times playcalling is explicitly referred to or implied as a problem.

Didn't seem to happen this week. And while things obviously didn't end up where anyone in crimson wanted them to end up this week, other factors already mentioned - primarily offensive line play - seem to overshadow whatever issues we had with playcalling.
 

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From what I've gathered, we came into this game in some sort of pity party for Tulane. "Oh, they had to abandon their school because of Hurricane Gustav, and they drove all the way up here a week early and practice at Samford. We should feel sorry for them so we clap for them when they enter BDS, and we'll try to take it easy on them, and we won't do a Rammer Jammer at the end of the game", and we should show some real class, and yada, yada, yada.
Meanwhile, they came in here with a chip on their shoulders ready to play smash-mouth football, much like we did last week against Clemson. They hit us as hard as they could, every time they could.
This is why we shouldn't have any pity of these other non-conference teams. They don't want a game, they want blood. So we should give them blood - their own.
 

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I was able to watch the game on the Gameplan, not bad of a deal and the picture quality was great. Now for the game, defense and special teams played great. The offense on the other hand was flat and I'm sure this will be adressed this week in practice. That was some hit Javier took. I'm glad that Mark Ingram scored a TD to try and get the offense going in the right direction. I would not have wanted to be in Bama's locker room last night, I'm sure the roof was raised. Bring on WKU this week and it's on the Gameplan too.
 

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Whoever had Week 2 in the 'how long will it take the Bama Nation to determine it's smarter than Coach McElwain' in the office pool, swing by and pick up your prize.

Here's my barometer on play-calling: watch the sideline and see how often CNS rips the offensive staff a new one; or watch the press conference and count the number of times playcalling is explicitly referred to or implied as a problem.

Didn't seem to happen this week. And while things obviously didn't end up where anyone in crimson wanted them to end up this week, other factors already mentioned - primarily offensive line play - seem to overshadow whatever issues we had with playcalling.
You saved me a lot of typing.
 

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Bama is still thin, thin, thin in some positions. This is true. Not enough people that can step up when a couple of first stringers go down. Then there are those that let up on plays and just are not consistant. Clemson and Tulane both ran kickoffs right through Bama. Tulanes got called back because someone on Bama's team was offsides. This shoud not be happening. If I had been the special teams coach. After Tippen got hit as hard as he was, I would have sent a head hunter out to take their kicker out of the game. In other words Toledo would have recieved a message. I also thought JPW was the victim of late hits several times, and I could see holding on TV that was not called. I'm sure there was more the TV did not show. Still need to recruit some more good players.
RTR
 

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Bama is still thin, thin, thin in some positions. This is true. Not enough people that can step up when a couple of first stringers go down. Then there are those that let up on plays and just are not consistant. Clemson and Tulane both ran kickoffs right through Bama. Tulanes got called back because someone on Bama's team was offsides. This shoud not be happening. If I had been the special teams coach. After Tippen got hit as hard as he was, I would have sent a head hunter out to take their kicker out of the game. In other words Toledo would have recieved a message. I also thought JPW was the victim of late hits several times, and I could see holding on TV that was not called. I'm sure there was more the TV did not show. Still need to recruit some more good players.
RTR
I thought so too, and when it wasn't called I thought ok, they are just letting them play, but then the refs go and call a picky at best, ticky-tack call on Bamas defense when our defender bumped their qb in the 4th qtr basically giving them a second field goal. There was a lot of holding going on Tulanes side that didn't get called as well. On the flipside I did see some bumping/holding on the dbs (on both sides) that did not get called.
None of it decided the game, but still the refs should just be consistent.

All in all, it was a hiccup by Bama. They have plenty to work on to get back to being an elite team, particularly on the Oline. We are a good running team when we choose to run it, but picking up the blitz has got to be priority if JPW and the WR's are to have any shot at being consistent.
The only criticism I had offensively in playcalling is the deep passes early on. I love Coach Mac and I know he knows way, way more than I, but two games in we still see that JPW is not improved at throwing the deep ball. Its just not his strength. Short high percentage passes didn't seem to be in the mix of playcalling as much as it was against Clemson and it was a disappointment to me. Maybe Tulane was just taking those away I don't know, but early on it seemed the offense was pressing the deep passes and got away from running the ball right at Tulane and the Oline break-downs didn't allow time for him to find the open guy that quickly.

On the positive side, can't say enough about Arenas, Tiffin, and Upchurch. Along with the defense who played hard and fairly consistent throughout the whole game, they pretty much took the team on their shoulders and won it. I don't think that it would have been possible to do that last year.
If the offense had not struggled so much in this game, we wouldn't really have much to complain about.
We can't say Coach Saban didn't stress it enough, but its one game. I'm still proud of our guys, and we're 2-0. On to the next. :BigA:
 

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We are going to be working on pass protection this week in practice. I'm not pinning everything on the OL. The OL isn't the one responsible for picking up DB blitzes from the corner. I saw at least 2 wiffs when Tulane blitzed a DB. Once by one of our RB'S and once by a TE.
 

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I thought last week vs. Clemson, we established an identity on offense based on hard-nosed running with play-action passing. We all loved the result. The game plan tonight abandoned that completely for this spread offense with Wilson trying to throw the ball all over the place. It looked too much like last year's offense where we put everything on Wilson.

Saban preaches consistency in performance, but tonight, I didn't see consistency in coaching (at least philosophically). Why we didn't try to build off of what we started the season with really confuses me. I just don't see how we'll have a successful offense if we change philosophy from one week to the next. Then again, I'm not a coach so I'm not any kind of expert on this.

That said, I'm proud of the defense for not giving up a TD in two games. The punt-return team was great tonight. We got one offensive drive when we really needed it. I'm glad we came out with a "W" tonight, but it really felt like a step backwards to me.
IMO we couldn't run the kind of offense we did against Clemson because we didn't have the OL capable of doing it. It was painfully obvious the effects of not having Andre and Marlon in the lineup. They continually stuffed our run game on the early downs forcing us into third and longs all night, a far cry from what we saw against Clemson where we were routinely ripping off 5-7 yards on first down all night. It showed how badly we need our starters on the OL to be healthy all year in order to be successful on offense IMHO, because the backups just aren't ready yet.
 

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