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[Mystical]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

I don'thave dog in this fight but it seems to me the graduate assistant having first-handknowledge reported it to Joe Pa than he in turn followed protocol and reportedit up the chain of command. I have to believe that Joe Pa thought theadministration would follow proper protocol (I mean is not that their purpose?)and notify the proper authorities. If it were my child I would want blood. Thismay be the thing that pushes him out but it will be from the people who wereready for him to go anyway. According to the Law the graduate assistant may beheld liable because he had first-hand knowledge. With Joe Pa he did what mostemployers ask their employees to do and that is to report it up the chain ofcommand and let compliance (or in the corporate world ombudsman) reports it to the authorities. This is the policy atalmost all your fortune 500 companies even in cases where you yourself aresexually harassed.

 

[CapstoneTider]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

This is the policy atalmost all your fortune 500 companies even in cases where you yourself aresexually harassed.

The way you describe it sounds correct but people may look at it in not such broad, sterile, by the book manner considering this was a grey haired man and a 10 year old, and that he molested eight boys over a 15 year period and continued to use the Joe Pa's football practice facilities, run his camp, while Joe Pa was in the know.

People may expect a whole lot more from Joe Pa than this, and he's earned it! Just my prediction that he'll step down for being tolerant and not taking a stand, but that it will not tarnish him in the long run.

 

[Mystical]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

Two more pieces that are critical to this "Paterno testified that he then called Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley and met with Curley the following day, explaining that a graduate assistant had reported seeing " So two things happened here Joe Pa when he heard this at once called the administration than followed up the next day in person. Also Joe Pa had the graduate assistant go to administration to tell it in his own words 'the graduate assistant was called to a meeting with Curley and Gary Schultz, who was Senior Vice President for Finance and Business at the University. At that time, the assistant again recounted what he had witnessed Sandusky doing". We all know these days Joe Pa has very little real authority at Pen State. I would like to know what the admin told Joe Pa. The part of the story that rubs me the wrong way the worse is that no one bothered to find out who the child was nor to see if was doing ok after this horrific event. One last thing should be noted here the reason those two cowards in administration were even arrested is because of Joe Pa coming forward and giving the police the real 411. So there are no mistakes here I think anyone hurting a child should be set on fire to die a slow agonizing death.

 

[TommyMac]

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This is beyond disgusting. The most unbelievable thing is that this animal was brazen enough to do it openly in PSU facilities where anyone could have walked in.

Makes you wonder why he felt so comfortable performing his perverse acts in such a setting with apparently little fear of being caught?

 

[Rolltide_PA]

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The grad assistant was officially named today and it's Mike McQueary. Might not be a name you know except from his playing days at PSU but he was 28 at the time and allegedly watched Sandusky with a young boy in the PSU showers. Since then McQueary has become Coach McQueary as he's as assistant coach now on Paterno's staff.

so get this straight...a 28 year old man is apparently so comfortable with the felony he watched that he stays with the program where Sandusky attends practices routinely with up to 10 kids from the Foundation, brings kids into the PSU facilities, and sees Sandusky at every game for the past 10 years.

string him up along with his buddies, Joe Pa and Sandusky, the AD, the DA, and the State College Police.

How does a guy witness something like that, see it be concealed, and still have enough respect for his boss and organization to actually stay and enjoy promotions for the next decade? sick bastards

 

[RTR in PA]

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Pennsylvania law, according to PSU rivals site, requires anyone suspecting child abuse or the sort to contact authorities, however it's a misdemeanor not to do so. Coach Paterno, and several others are obviously guilty of not notifying authorities.

PENNSYLVANIA
23 Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. § 6311(a)-(b) (West Supp. 1998)
WHO MUST REPORT

• Licensed physicians, osteopaths, medical examiners coroners, funeral directors, dentists, optometrists, chiropractors, podiatrists, interns, registered nurses, licensed practical nurses, hospital personnel engaged in the admission, examination, care or treatment of persons, Christian Science practitioners;
• Members of the clergy, school administrators, school teachers, school nurses, social services workers, day-care center workers or any other child-care or foster-care workers, mental health professionals, peace officers or law enforcement officials.

CIRCUMSTANCES
When, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, they come into contact with children who they have reasonable cause to suspect, on the basis of their medical, professional or other training and experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is an abused child.

 

[Chukker Veteran]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

The only detail lacking in this miserable story is finding out these guys were really upset and turned to Catholic Priests for guidance.

 

[WMack4Bama]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

UPDATE:

Curley (athletic director) and Schultz (school administrator) are both stepping down from their respective posts in light of the perjury charges that they face.

Link here




I've heard a rumble or two suggesting that there are some PSU supporters who feel like JoePa and university president Graham Spanier shouldn't be too far behind.

 

[pluckngrit]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

wow. this is about like getting 10 consecutive death penalties for your program. no way they can recover from this one. this one's gonna leave a deep, deep mark on the program.

 

[Silverback]

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Anyone who had knowledge of this and did not report it to the police is a despicable human-being!

 

[major tidefan]

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Ironically his autobiography is entitled Touched:The Jerry Sandusky Story.Gross.[h=1][/h]

 

[Rolltide_PA]

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Timeline of events
Monday, November 07, 2011
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
A TIMELINE IN THE SCANDAL
Jerry Sandusky, a former Penn State assistant football coach, started The Second Mile organization for at-risk children in State College in 1977, when he was defensive coordinator on Joe Paterno's staff. He was charged Friday with 40 counts related to the sexual abuse of eight boys in the program between 1994 and 2005. Here is a timeline of events outlined in a 23-page grand jury report.


1994 or 1995: A boy identified only as Victim 6 meets Mr. Sandusky at a picnic sponsored by The Second Mile when he was 7 or 8.


1994: Meets Victim 7, who is 10. Over the next couple of years, there is shared showering and cuddling when the boy stayed at Mr. Sandusky's home.


1995 or 1996: Victim 5, age 7 or 8, meets Mr. Sandusky through The Second Mile. He says that later, sometime between 1996 and 1998, Mr. Sandusky pins him against a shower wall and places the boy's hand on his penis.


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Sandusky presentment
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1996 or 1997: Victim 4, age 12 or 13, has indecent contacts with Mr. Sandusky. This victim became a fixture in the Sandusky household and attended many football events over the years. Either before or after alleged sexual assaults, the victim receives expensive gifts from Mr. Sandusky.


1998: Victim 6, age 11, is taken to a locker room in the Penn State football facility, and Mr. Sandusky showers with him, giving him a bear hug. When he was dropped off at home, the boy's mother learns about the shower and contacts university police. A detective listens in on two phone conversations with the mother and Mr. Sandusky on May 13, 1998, and May 19, 1998. Mr. Sandusky admits to the joint showering.


June 1, 1998: State Department of Public Welfare investigator and the university police detective interview Mr. Sandusky. He said he would not shower with children again.


May 1999: PSU football coach Joe Paterno tells Mr. Sandusky he will not be the next head coach at PSU. This precedes Mr. Sandusky's retirement.


Summer 2000: Victim 3, between 7th and 8th grade at the time, meets Mr. Sandusky. He claims his genitals are touched and there are bear hugs in the shower.


Fall 2000: A janitor sees Mr. Sandusky in the shower at the PSU football complex with Victim 8. The boy was pinned against the wall while Mr. Sandusky performed a sex act on him. The janitor tells other janitorial staff and his boss. His supervisor tells him how to make an official report. Such a report is never made; there is discussion among janitorial staff of concern about their jobs if they report the incident.


March 1, 2002: A Penn State football graduate assistant, whose name is not in the presentment but who since has been identified as Mike McQueary, now the team's wide receiver coach and recruiting coordinator, witnesses Mr. Sandusky having sex with Victim 2 in the shower at the Lasch Football Building.


March 2, 2002: Mr. McQueary reports what he saw to Mr. Paterno.


March 3, 2002: Mr. Paterno contacts the PSU athletic director, Tim Curley, his immediate supervisor.


Mid-March 2002: Mr. McQueary meets with Mr. Curley and Gary Schultz, senior vice president for finance and business.


Late March or early April 2002: Mr. McQueary hears back from Mr. Curley that Mr. Sandusky's keys to the locker room were taken away and the incident had been reported to The Second Mile. Mr. Curley and Mr. Schultz said PSU president Graham Spanier was told that an incident had occurred in the shower but was not given the full details initially reported by Mr. McQueary.


2005 or 2006: Victim 1 meets Mr. Sandusky. In 2007, they start spending time together during the track season at the boy's high school, with the boy staying overnight at Mr. Sandusky's residence in State College, during which sexual activity occurred. Mr. Sandusky gave the boy expensive gifts.


2006 or 2007: A wrestling coach at a Clinton County elementary school enters a weight room at school and finds Victim 1 and Mr. Sandusky lying on their sides in physical contact.


Throughout 2007 and 2008: Mr. Sandusky performed a sex act more than 20 times on Victim 1.


Spring 2008: Victim 1 terminates contact with Mr. Sandusky while a freshman at Central Mountain High School in Clinton County.


Later in 2008: Victim 1's mother contacted the school, which barred Mr. Sandusky from the school and reported the incident to police.


Between January 2008 and July 2009: There were 57 calls from Mr. Sandusky's cell phone to Victim 1's home phone.


September 2010: Mr. Sandusky retires from The Second Mile.


December 2010: Mr. McQueary testifies before grand jury.


Jan. 12, 2011: Mr. Curley and Mr. Schultz testify before grand jury.


Nov. 4, 2011: Charges filed against Mr. Sandusky related to sexual abuse of eight boys, and against Mr. Curley and Mr. Shultz for lying to the grand jury and failing to report the incidents to the proper authorities.



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11311/1188149-143-0.stm#ixzz1d2CHyaMd​

 

[Rolltide_PA]

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nice to see how seriously joe pa and the AD took what they knew from 2000-2002...ugh

[h=1]As Recently As 2009, Jerry Sandusky Was Running An Overnight Football Camp For Kids On Penn State Campuses[/h]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/11/183880c85fdd85fdab5bfca8c69d980f.jpgOf the child sexual assault charges against former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky, the fact that stands out most is that Joe Paterno, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz were aware of incidents as early as 2002. Curley testified to the grand jury that he "advised Sandusky that he was prohibited from bringing youth onto the Penn State campus from that point forward." Seven years later, in the summer of 2009, Sandusky was still hosting overnight camps for children as young as 9 at other Penn State schools.
A reader sends us the flyer for the Sandusky Football Camp, a four-day, three-night resident clinic offered at Penn State's Behrend campus in Erie, and other stops around the state including Penn State Harrisburg.
According to the program's now-defunct website,

The goal of the camp is to learn as much about the game of football while having an enjoyable experience. Jerry Sandusky's personal experience and his excellent staff will cater to each individual camper helping them to reach their personal potential. With a variety of individual drills for every position team drills, and games, the participants will be able to build a solid fundamental background for which they can carry the rest of their lives. They will walk away with many of the ideas and concepts Jerry Sandusky has used during his brilliant career. A career that included two national championships and 28 bowl appearances! Lessons on life discipline, teamwork, trust, and loyalty will be stressed in motivational speeches by great guest speakers and selected video presentations. Regular camp instructors will include members of Jerry's family, other college and high school coaches, and former Penn State players.
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It's unclear if Sandusky was compensated by Penn State for overseeing the camp, which he operated via his Sandusky Associates company located in State College. But multiple schools in the Penn State system hosted and provided facilities for the program, touted Sandusky's Penn State affiliation, and featured other instructors from the Penn State family: an implicit endorsement of the camp at the very least.
Sandusky ran the camp for nearly a decade, but there doesn't appear to have been a 2010 edition. By that summer, a grand jury had already begun its investigation.

 

[WMack4Bama]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

JoePa has released this statement:

"If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters," Paterno said. "While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved I can't help but be deeply saddened these matters are alleged to have occurred.".......

"As my grand jury testimony stated," Joe Paterno said in the statement, "I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators."........

"Sue and I have devoted our lives to helping young people reach their potential," Joe Paterno said in his statement. "The fact that someone we thought we knew might have harmed young people to this extent is deeply troubling. If this is true we were all fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families. They are in our prayers."

In the link above, his son Scott expounds on Joe's stance on it.

 

[Rolltide_PA]

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"If this is true we were all fooled"


what a lying, disgusting piece of garbage! He was told by his now QB coach that Sandusky is sodomizing a little boy in the PSU football showers in 2002! all of a sudden he's deeply troubled?!?!?! He knew that the AD asked Sandusky to stop bringing little boys around to practice and into the PSU football facilities yet allowed this monster to run youth football camps at PSU satellite campuses as recently as 2009!

IMO, Joe Pa is as culpable in this as the perpetrator, Sandusky. Jerry was his buddy for more than 30 years and he knew he was a child rapist but didn't want his beloved program or his best friend to go down in flames. He knew what this guy was all about and either chose to ignore it or, most likely, chose to cover it up to save his football program. Well, both will be laid to waste now because Joe is a gutless, heartless coward that was given absolutely power which, well, corrupted absolutely.

 

[SimplyTide]

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"If this is true we were all fooled"


what a lying, disgusting piece of garbage! He was told by his now QB coach that Sandusky is sodomizing a little boy in the PSU football showers in 2002!...

Sorry, this may be true, but it is not in evidence. Per all of the discussions that I have heard, Paterno was not told why McQueary was concerned about the activity - just that he was concerned. McQueary offered no details to Paterno. If you know more, please share. And feel free to think of Paterno as slime for not doing more. But you seem to be letting your hate for Paterno turn this into a Paterno hate fest.

 

[Rolltide_PA]

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well, it really depends on who you believe. McQueary told a grand jury that he informed Joe and, 10 days later, the AD and VP of Finance that he witnessed sexual improprieties b/w a man in his late 50's and a child. Joe now says that McQueary only mentioned that he witnessed some "horsing around" but never denies that he was told. So, whichever story you believe...either the "horsing around" defense or that McQueary told his superiors details really shapes the view. I hope you have a hard time believing a GA telling his head coach that he witnessed Jerry "horsing around" with a minor in the Penn State shower and Joe Pa doing nothing beyond telling coach McQueary to inform the AD is the proper course of conduct. I'm fairly certainly if a Bama GA told Saban that there's some "horsing around" going on b/w a minor and a former coach on campus that he wouldn't be claiming the "horsing around" defense as proof of his doing right in the face of child molestation.

long article from Mount Nittany but I'll c/p just the relevant portion regarding McQueary and Joe Pa...

As for Paterno, you would think that he did what the law and the university would want him to do. He reported it to his superior. Period. End of report. Game over. But wait a minute! Do you think for a minute that Paterno just sat back and went on to the next football film after hearing McQueary’s story? Hell, no! Sandusky and wife were personal friends of Joe and Sue, and Sandusky worked for Joe for over 30 years. Few of us have been in that position, but loyalties that old don’t just evaporate in the face of adversity. I can understand Joe’s not wanting to report the incident to anyone outside the university, and the law seems to support the way he handled it, reporting it to Curley. Assuming that he told Curley the truth and didn’t try to cover up the most sordid facts to protect Sandusky, Joe is in the clear there. However, given that Joe and Jerry had such a long lasting interpersonal relationship, wouldn’t Joe have wanted to stay close to the matter, perhaps checking in with Curley daily to hear of any recent developments. As I’ve written, I find it entirely fanciful to think that Paterno reported the incident and forgot about it. My thought is that Curley told him that it was being handled and it would blow over. We all know how stubborn Joe is about things like that. But once Joe saw a cover-up in progress, should he not have gotten involved? Or did his old friendship with Sandusky cloud his judgment? If Paterno abetted the cover-up, even by benign neglect, he should go down, too.

From what I’ve been told, Curley is a sycophant who Paterno dominates. In that case, is it possible that Joe engineered the whole cover-up?
Those are my feelings on the subject, assuming that the court system gets its convictions. Again, there are a lot of assumptions, which might not be true, and there are certainly errors in the representations I am taking for fact, because I wasn’t there. I’m kind of convinced that at least three high ranking university officials’ heads will be rolling. It is going to be painful to watch this play out.

 

[Rolltide_PA]

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also SimplyTide let's say you believe Joe's "horsing around" defense and I'm fine at taking him for his word.

Put yourself on Joe's shoes. If your Graduate Assistant who played for you for 5 years and has been a part of your program for 8 years, came to you and said they saw someone who worked for you for 3 decades, someone who always has young boys around him, someone who uses PSU facilities and is at PSU practices on a daily bases is "horsing around" in the shower with a young boy...wouldn't you ask them clarify what they meant by "horsing around"?

 

[SimplyTide]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

also SimplyTide let's say you believe Joe's "horsing around" defense and I'm fine at taking him for his word.

Put yourself on Joe's shoes. If your Graduate Assistant who played for you for 5 years and has been a part of your program for 8 years, came to you and said they saw someone who worked for you for 3 decades, someone who always has young boys around him, someone who uses PSU facilities and is at PSU practices on a daily bases is "horsing around" in the shower with a young boy...wouldn't you ask them clarify what they meant by "horsing around"?

I am already on the record saying that I expect more from Paterno. His first instinct was to trust this evil man, but report him anyway. I think that his first instinct should have been to get to the bottom of the reported issue. But, to be honest, if someone came to me and said that someone that I trust was horsing around with a 10 year old in the shower, I doubt that I would have jumped to this conclusion. In fact, depending on who we are talking about, I might laugh it off entirely.

It is possible to trust another person too much, and it is possible (given what we have heard to date) that this was Paterno's only mistake. After all, even though he trusted him, he still reported it. If he heard nothing else, he probably assumed that horsing around turned out to be just that - horsing around.

I expect more from him, even with all of this taken into consideration - but I am not ready to vilify him.

 

[WMack4Bama]

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This story just keeps getting more & more amazing..

Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports is reporting that Sandusky worked out at the Penn St. weight room facility as recently as last week

Link here