Maybe they could change the context of "Rebels" and keep the name. My wife went to Shaw HS in Mobile and they were the Rebels. However, their context of "Rebels" was that of Revolutionary War Patriots and their mascot was a Minuteman.
Ole Miss bans fight song, draws KKK
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I say disregard the kkk and they will eventually go away. If it is hurting ol myth recruiting then it has no place in Oxford, Ms. The war between the states had nothing to do with blacks being freed from bondage but it eventually did just that but that was not the reason for the war. States rights WAS the reason. "Hey Ol Miss, do away with the flag and the chants and let's play some football.
Good thing the KKK is showing up, the chant will be gone for sure. Its not a tradition. Same as eliminating the Dixie Land Delight song at Bama because the student section chants, "Spend my dollar-ON BEER!" (and yes, they did stop that for a while). However, eliminating the Rebel mascot is stupid. If Ole Miss can no longer be the Rebels, then Tennessee should no longer be the Volunteers (from the War of 1812, which was driven by greedy nationalists 
), East Carolina can't be the Pirates (murders, thieves, and rapists), Idaho shouldn't be the Vandals, etc. Heck, Vanderbilt should just come up with a new University name because Cornelius Vanderbilt was a railroad tycoon (which are usually perceived to have stolen land and paid horrible wages to keep the people down).
But the big problem here is not the mascot, it is the attitude of the people who support the school. Until the people at Ole Miss get their heads out of their butts, they could have a pink flower mascot and still have recruiting problems. It won't matter because nobody wants to play at a school that can't win.
), East Carolina can't be the Pirates (murders, thieves, and rapists), Idaho shouldn't be the Vandals, etc. Heck, Vanderbilt should just come up with a new University name because Cornelius Vanderbilt was a railroad tycoon (which are usually perceived to have stolen land and paid horrible wages to keep the people down).But the big problem here is not the mascot, it is the attitude of the people who support the school. Until the people at Ole Miss get their heads out of their butts, they could have a pink flower mascot and still have recruiting problems. It won't matter because nobody wants to play at a school that can't win.
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Actually, I think that the Volunteer name refers to those that went to Texas to fight for independence from Mexico during the 1840s.
I got my histury edumakashun in the grate state of Alabammy. :biggrin2:
Now, I'm confused. Where did it come from? Where's all those Vol fans when we actually NEED their input?
I also think a little background information should be given on Ole Miss chancellor Dan Jones...
He was born and raised in Mississippi, and is a medical doctor by training. He graduated from Mississippi College -- a private, Baptist school located in Clinton -- and later graduated from medical school at Ole Miss. After completing his residency, Jones went into private practice for many years in Laurel, Mississippi. Prior to being named chancellor at Ole Miss recently, he headed up the Ole Miss medical school for a few years, and professionally his biggest fight has been the dangers of high blood pressure and specifically working with clinical hypertension cases.
So... that is the big PC nutjob supposedly orchestrating this whole deal? I have my doubts with that argument, to put it mildly.
He was born and raised in Mississippi, and is a medical doctor by training. He graduated from Mississippi College -- a private, Baptist school located in Clinton -- and later graduated from medical school at Ole Miss. After completing his residency, Jones went into private practice for many years in Laurel, Mississippi. Prior to being named chancellor at Ole Miss recently, he headed up the Ole Miss medical school for a few years, and professionally his biggest fight has been the dangers of high blood pressure and specifically working with clinical hypertension cases.
So... that is the big PC nutjob supposedly orchestrating this whole deal? I have my doubts with that argument, to put it mildly.
On more of a football note...
I find it very telling that Ole Miss fans are generally vehemently opposed to this, even when it's reasonably clear that their doing so hurts their already struggling football program. Again, that's very telling, because even at absolute most, this is just a five-word chant. And what does that tell you when an entire fan base will raise hell when asked to stop a five-word chant essentially because it will help their football program? It tells you that they aren't committed to do what it takes to win. I know it's small, and ultimately meaningless, but if you won't stop a five-word chant to win, how will you ever build the facilities, the rabid fan base, keep the talent in-state, etc.? It's simple, you won't, and Ole Miss doesn't.
And as an addendum, why not just amend the chant to, "OLE MISS will rise again!"? After all, they were once an elite national powerhouse, but haven't done anything in almost 50 years. That supports the program and the university much better, and circumvents all of the racial aspects of the current way. If nothing else, it is at least fitting.
I find it very telling that Ole Miss fans are generally vehemently opposed to this, even when it's reasonably clear that their doing so hurts their already struggling football program. Again, that's very telling, because even at absolute most, this is just a five-word chant. And what does that tell you when an entire fan base will raise hell when asked to stop a five-word chant essentially because it will help their football program? It tells you that they aren't committed to do what it takes to win. I know it's small, and ultimately meaningless, but if you won't stop a five-word chant to win, how will you ever build the facilities, the rabid fan base, keep the talent in-state, etc.? It's simple, you won't, and Ole Miss doesn't.
And as an addendum, why not just amend the chant to, "OLE MISS will rise again!"? After all, they were once an elite national powerhouse, but haven't done anything in almost 50 years. That supports the program and the university much better, and circumvents all of the racial aspects of the current way. If nothing else, it is at least fitting.
Heh, thats what I get for trusting the resident Tennessee fan.
I'll edit it.
The point still stands though. Its not the mascot that is the problem, its the attitude of the Ole Miss fans.
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I'm just glad it's their problem and not ours. We've already had our campus picketed when we hired Shula over Croom. This does not fall under the category of any publicity is good publicity. I think even Kiffin would admit that.
Fayetteville maybe farther but you don't have to drive thru Mississippi:biggrin:
I think we are getting off track here guys. If this discussion doesn't maintain some connection to football discussion Earle and the gang will zap it.
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No one foresaw Reconstruction, least of all Lincoln. If you read my post earlier about my GGF's 1867 diary, he, and the other Union League members, saw the end of the war as a liberation. I have none of his later writings, but it's safe to say that he was forced into a change of heart. And this has veered off into a NS-type discussion, and I'm as guilty as any. Lets' try a couple of more posts to see if we can get it back to FB and OM, or we'll close it...
I understand the sports logic of the decision.
It may well help Ole Miss recruiting, although last I checked, there were a number of African-American football players on the Ole Miss football team for whom Ole Miss fans of all races cheer vociferously.
This decision may be painful in the short run (especially with the KKK stomping around Ox-patch), but will probably help the program in the long run.
To the point, are there any Ole Miss recruits-that-got-away who cited the rebel-chant-flag issue was the reason why they went elsewhere?
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