Packers vs. Steelers - Who ya got?
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I have no respect for a team that has no cheerleaders! 
Neither the Pack nor Steelers have them. But I find GB as the lesser of 2 evils. GO PACK...I guess.
Neither the Pack nor Steelers have them. But I find GB as the lesser of 2 evils. GO PACK...I guess.
That is something I didn't know. Why don't they have cheerleaders? Not that I care either wayI have no respect for a team that has no cheerleaders!
.I cannot in good consciencous root for a team like the Packers. They barely survived playing against a Bears team down to their third string qb. Steelers by at least 10.
I believe that the Steelers will win the game. They have had the better season overall, and Big Ben has been playing well. The Packers have been the hot team, but I think their luck is about to run out.
My family has been Packer fans for years going back to when Bart Starr played for them.
So I'm no Bear's fan, but I found this a little while ago, and have to wonder. What say you?
Cutler's NFL contemporaries go after him on Twitter - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
The guy got hurt and he's being questioned?
So I'm no Bear's fan, but I found this a little while ago, and have to wonder. What say you?
Cutler's NFL contemporaries go after him on Twitter - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
The guy got hurt and he's being questioned?
This one is about as tough a call as I've had to make in a SB since Green Bay v. Denver in 97. Both teams do a great job with exotic 3-4 blitz and zone blitz schemes that put great pressure on the QB using linebackers and occasionally DBs. However, both teams have QBs who are great at avoiding a rush. Both teams have a wildcard DB who can provide great coverage, run support, and apply pressure to the QB: Charles Woodson for GB and Troy Polumalu for PIT. Both run defenses are stout and both teams get "just okay" production from the running back position. Mendenhall, as big as he is, should be much better than he is, but searches for the nearest sideline every time he gets the ball. The WR position is a wash when you look at the cagey vet in Hines Ward and the unbelievable blazing speed from Mike Wallace to the Sterling Sharpe-like production from Greg Jennings and the reliability of Donald Driver.
There are two positions where one is greater than the next. Ryan Clark is exponentially better than Charlie Peprah (although we love him). So the safety position favors PIT. However, at the cornerback position, Truman Williams and Sam Shields (along with Charles Woodson) even at this early stage in their careers are MUCH better than Ike Taylor and McFadden.
As we always want, this thing will ultimately come down to QB play. And I'd give Big Ben the nod here just based on experience. Not only has Ben's team won a SuperBowl, BEN has won a SuperBowl (reference: Super Bowl XLIII).
And to the poster that said the Packers almost allowed a 3rd string QB to beat them..a few things...If you're any good at all, it's easy to look good when a team doesn't have film on you and can't gameplan for your tendencies (see the Wilson kid that came in like gangbusters against Auburn for Mallet). And this kid made an NFL roster so he has to be good some way. Secondly, both teams that won yesterday got up early and then let up mentally. You know who else has done that in the past year? The Alabama Crimson Tide. Sometimes it worked out (like it did for the 2 teams yesterday) and sometimes it doesn't (see this year's Iron Bowl). It is what it is.
There are two positions where one is greater than the next. Ryan Clark is exponentially better than Charlie Peprah (although we love him). So the safety position favors PIT. However, at the cornerback position, Truman Williams and Sam Shields (along with Charles Woodson) even at this early stage in their careers are MUCH better than Ike Taylor and McFadden.
As we always want, this thing will ultimately come down to QB play. And I'd give Big Ben the nod here just based on experience. Not only has Ben's team won a SuperBowl, BEN has won a SuperBowl (reference: Super Bowl XLIII).
And to the poster that said the Packers almost allowed a 3rd string QB to beat them..a few things...If you're any good at all, it's easy to look good when a team doesn't have film on you and can't gameplan for your tendencies (see the Wilson kid that came in like gangbusters against Auburn for Mallet). And this kid made an NFL roster so he has to be good some way. Secondly, both teams that won yesterday got up early and then let up mentally. You know who else has done that in the past year? The Alabama Crimson Tide. Sometimes it worked out (like it did for the 2 teams yesterday) and sometimes it doesn't (see this year's Iron Bowl). It is what it is.
The Steelers' opponent yesterday did not score when they played the Packers at home this season.
I can't break it down like WMACK did (good job) but I am pulling for the Pack. Small market, wholesome image, and they need to move on beyond the Favre legend.
Those people up there freeze their keisters off and deserve a little mid winter joy. I hope they get it this year.
Those people up there freeze their keisters off and deserve a little mid winter joy. I hope they get it this year.
Thoughts on Mike McCarthy vs. Mike Tomlin? I'd say the edge goes to Tomlin since he's "been there" before, but curious to hear what you think.
This is another interesting matchup too, because Tomlin, in addition to being the HC is also the defensive backs coach (more or less like Coach Saban) and Mike McCarthy, in addition to being the HC, is also the offensive play caller for GB. So that should be an interesting matchup. That being said, the real matchups in the coaching staffs will be McCarthy vs. Dick LaBeau (which LaBeau wins in a landslide). If you think about all the guys that have come through PIT since LaBeau has been there, they've all looked like world beaters: Greg Lloyd, Levon Kirkland, Kevin Greene, Chad Brown, Kendrell Bell, Joey Porter, all the way down to Larry Foote, James Harrison, James Farrior, Lamar Woodley, and Lawrence Timmons. And the only one that's had any sustained success outside of LaBeau was Kevin Greene (who made his hay in LA with the Rams before he came to PIT and did the same with Carolina after he left). Dick LaBeau went into the Hall of Fame last summer as a player, but like Mike Ditka, he's one of those guys who could've just as easily gone in as a coach.
And then you have the matchup of Bruce Arians vs. Dom Capers. I know that not too many Bama fans have anything favorable to say about Arians, but he's struck a nice stride with Ben Roethlisberger who in the past couple years has catapulted himself into that 2nd tier of elite NFL QBs (Manning & Brady are in a league all to themselves. Then you have Big Ben, Brees, Rivers, and maybe Aaron Rodgers & Michael Vick). Like a young Brett Favre is responsible for getting head coaching for jobs Andy Reid, Marty Morningweig, Jon Gruden, and Steve Marriuci (WOW..what a coaching staff..and Ray Rhodes was on the staff too I think), I think Ben will get Arians some looks or at least some mentions in the future if he's interested. As far as Capers, he's has made himself a lot of money this season as the DC of Green Bay. He was, of course, the first head coach of the Carolina Panthers. He came in when the Panthers were in the NFC West with the 49ers, Rams, Saints, and Falcons and he took them to the NFC Championship game in their 2nd season. never mind that the last 2 seasons were catastrophic and that one season that they did go to the NFC game, it was the season that Warren Sapp shredded Jerry Rice's ACL, OR that he had a failed Head Coaching stint in Houston just before Gary Kubiak. The NFL is a recycled coach's league. So a few more solid seasons with a showing like that, he might get another gig..
All that being said, everything will still come down to QB play. O-line play will be important, but ultimately a wash. Big Ben has been sacked 82 (yes...Eighty TWO) times in the past two seasons. And he's still been able to pass for over 7500 yards and 43 TDs. Aaron Rodgers despite playing without his top two tight ends, his right tackle, and several other teammates has pretty much been able to play like a superstar. He's suffered a non-contact concussion and he quite possibly could've suffered one Sunday after a helmet to the jaw from Julius Peppers followed immediately by a headslap from Lance Briggs, but because of his specially made helmet to protect against concussions,he made it out with just a bloodied lip. With head hunters James Harrison (in excess of $1M in fines this year for helmet to helmet hits) and Troy Polamalu on the horizon, for Rodgers's sake I hope that helmet holds up again.
Now that I've had time to think about this thing, I'm leaning slightly toward Pittsburgh just because they have more guys with big game experience. Other than Charles Woodson (from is days in Oakland..during the Gruden, Gannon, Rice, and Brown era), I don't think GB has too many guys who have played in a game of this magnitude. I still wouldn't count out Green Bay though
And then you have the matchup of Bruce Arians vs. Dom Capers. I know that not too many Bama fans have anything favorable to say about Arians, but he's struck a nice stride with Ben Roethlisberger who in the past couple years has catapulted himself into that 2nd tier of elite NFL QBs (Manning & Brady are in a league all to themselves. Then you have Big Ben, Brees, Rivers, and maybe Aaron Rodgers & Michael Vick). Like a young Brett Favre is responsible for getting head coaching for jobs Andy Reid, Marty Morningweig, Jon Gruden, and Steve Marriuci (WOW..what a coaching staff..and Ray Rhodes was on the staff too I think), I think Ben will get Arians some looks or at least some mentions in the future if he's interested. As far as Capers, he's has made himself a lot of money this season as the DC of Green Bay. He was, of course, the first head coach of the Carolina Panthers. He came in when the Panthers were in the NFC West with the 49ers, Rams, Saints, and Falcons and he took them to the NFC Championship game in their 2nd season. never mind that the last 2 seasons were catastrophic and that one season that they did go to the NFC game, it was the season that Warren Sapp shredded Jerry Rice's ACL, OR that he had a failed Head Coaching stint in Houston just before Gary Kubiak. The NFL is a recycled coach's league. So a few more solid seasons with a showing like that, he might get another gig..
All that being said, everything will still come down to QB play. O-line play will be important, but ultimately a wash. Big Ben has been sacked 82 (yes...Eighty TWO) times in the past two seasons. And he's still been able to pass for over 7500 yards and 43 TDs. Aaron Rodgers despite playing without his top two tight ends, his right tackle, and several other teammates has pretty much been able to play like a superstar. He's suffered a non-contact concussion and he quite possibly could've suffered one Sunday after a helmet to the jaw from Julius Peppers followed immediately by a headslap from Lance Briggs, but because of his specially made helmet to protect against concussions,he made it out with just a bloodied lip. With head hunters James Harrison (in excess of $1M in fines this year for helmet to helmet hits) and Troy Polamalu on the horizon, for Rodgers's sake I hope that helmet holds up again.
Now that I've had time to think about this thing, I'm leaning slightly toward Pittsburgh just because they have more guys with big game experience. Other than Charles Woodson (from is days in Oakland..during the Gruden, Gannon, Rice, and Brown era), I don't think GB has too many guys who have played in a game of this magnitude. I still wouldn't count out Green Bay though
One more thing I wanted to point out (and I tweeted this the other day) is that this game will be all about dispelling legends.
In just 4 seasons, Mike Tomlin has taken the Steelers to the Super Bowl twice. It took Bill Cowher 15 years to get to 2. Tomlin won the Super Bowl in his 2nd season as head coach. Cowher didn't win his first one until his 15th season. Did Tomlin come into a good situation in terms of a roster? Of course. But so did Jim Caldwell and he doesn't have anything to show for it.
For all the lore of one Brett Favre, (much of it manufactured and perpetuated by John Madden), Aaron Rodgers is his 5th NFL season and 3rd season as starter is in the Super Bowl the same way Favre was in the Super Bowl in his 5th season and 3rd season as starter. And Rodgers is there with no Reggie White. Clay Matthews & AJ Hawk are good players, but they're not Reggie. BJ Raji is good, but he's no Gilbert Brown. Brandon Jackson & James Starks are NOT Edgar Bennett & Dorsie Levens. And if the Packers win, Rodgers will have EXACTLY as many Super Bowl victories as Favre. Thanks for the memories, Brett. Please hold the photos.
And this is, by no means, any attempt to diminish anything Cowher and Favre have accomplished, all I'm saying is that we should be judicious when handing out that "great" tag and reserve that for the Jerry Rices and Michael Jordans of the world. Guys that set the standard so high that it would almost take a robot to come anywhere near it.
In just 4 seasons, Mike Tomlin has taken the Steelers to the Super Bowl twice. It took Bill Cowher 15 years to get to 2. Tomlin won the Super Bowl in his 2nd season as head coach. Cowher didn't win his first one until his 15th season. Did Tomlin come into a good situation in terms of a roster? Of course. But so did Jim Caldwell and he doesn't have anything to show for it.
For all the lore of one Brett Favre, (much of it manufactured and perpetuated by John Madden), Aaron Rodgers is his 5th NFL season and 3rd season as starter is in the Super Bowl the same way Favre was in the Super Bowl in his 5th season and 3rd season as starter. And Rodgers is there with no Reggie White. Clay Matthews & AJ Hawk are good players, but they're not Reggie. BJ Raji is good, but he's no Gilbert Brown. Brandon Jackson & James Starks are NOT Edgar Bennett & Dorsie Levens. And if the Packers win, Rodgers will have EXACTLY as many Super Bowl victories as Favre. Thanks for the memories, Brett. Please hold the photos.
And this is, by no means, any attempt to diminish anything Cowher and Favre have accomplished, all I'm saying is that we should be judicious when handing out that "great" tag and reserve that for the Jerry Rices and Michael Jordans of the world. Guys that set the standard so high that it would almost take a robot to come anywhere near it.
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Yup. He is..And Edgar Bennett, who was the starting running back on Green Bay's last Super Bowl team, is now the running backs coach.
Thanks for pointing out what so many people either can't or don't want to believe about Favre. I was telling someone the other day that if Aaron Rodgers wins this game he will have won nearly as many big games as Brett Favre did in his entire career. Some people act like Brett Favre played in and won all these Super Bowls and that is just not the case. More often than not, Favre threw up all over the field when he had the chance to win a big playoff game.
Also, your point about Tomlin is a good one. I wish I had a dollar for every coach who inherited a stacked roster and did not win with it. The list is long.
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I love bringing up the fact that Brett Favre and Peyton Manning have won just as many Super Bowls as Trent Dilfer.
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