Link: Per Lane Kiffin-"Dynasties are over"

[Cruiser]

Yesterday GMac was discussing how few teams; only 5 weeks into the season, were winning games by an average of more than 14 points compared to previous years. I think it was something like only 4 teams in the SEC? The betting lines are tighter. Bama probably finished the 2020 season winning by some crazy number; like 30? The "second tier" teams are much more competitive with their ability to re-make their rosters due to re-distribution of talent. FSU has 50 new players; State has 36 and they are totally different teams.

 

[TideEngineer08]

the Bama mystique permeated Thursday night football last night. Matt Stafford (UGA) VS Mac Jones. In overtime, At home, the Rams forego the chip shot FG to tie the game and go for it on 4th and 1 and don’t make it. Mac Jones Wins Again!

Stafford is 0-2 vs. Alabama QBs this year.

Jones is making quite the comeback as well. Now 3-0, and he's having to play without SF's top 3 WRs.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Stafford is 0-2 vs. Alabama QBs this year.

Jones is making quite the comeback as well. Now 3-0, and he's having to play without SF's top 3 WRs.

Will they learn their lesson?

 

[bamaga]

Stafford is 0-2 vs. Alabama QBs this year.

Jones is making quite the comeback as well. Now 3-0, and he's having to play without SF's top 3 WRs.

It’s all system and fit. Yes, in Shanahan’s system, Mac can flourish. If they drafted him in ‘21, his Career would be different. Got to see him wait and show what he can do. Another example , Sam Darnold. Looked terrible in New York and Carolina. In Minnesota and now Seattle, one of the best QB’s in the league

 

[cdub55]

It will never be broken or tied or close to it because of how the game has so quickly changed.

It’s as safe as Cy Young’s Win total, DiMaggio’s 56 game hit streak, Rickey’s SB records, Ripken’s Consecutive Starts streak..etc.

HC's are getting younger and younger and to think someone who starts out coaching at 30 and has 35-40 shots at a title can't get 8 is a stretch. Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Absolutely.

 

[TideEngineer08]

It’s all system and fit. Yes, in Shanahan’s system, Mac can flourish. If they drafted him in ‘21, his Career would be different. Got to see him wait and show what he can do. Another example , Sam Darnold. Looked terrible in New York and Carolina. In Minnesota and now Seattle, one of the best QB’s in the league

It is that way with every QB. Very few, in very rare circumstances, would excel in any system you drop them into. And even those would struggle or fail if the system was being run by incompetence.

"System QB" is one of the most overused and overrated phrases in football. What NE did with Mac (and the entire franchise post-Brady) was criminal. Moronic, and criminal.

 

[Cruloc]

HC's are getting younger and younger and to think someone who starts out coaching at 30 and has 35-40 shots at a title can't get 8 is a stretch. Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Absolutely.

A coach at the age of Lanning could indeed. He's 39. Ryan Day is 46 and has a title. DeBoer is 50. Kirby is 49. Cristobal is 55.

Someone like Lanning, if he got 2 in his 40's, a couple in his 50's....sure, he could get to 6 or 7 eventually. If he decided to keep going for that many years.

I do like the Cy Young reference though. Baseball has changed so much from his time that no one will ever come close to 511. #2 guy, Walter Johnson has 417. Or the Cal Ripken reference....with him at 2632 consecutive games and the only active player over 500 is Matt Olsen. Baseball changed.

 

[Bama197]

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Interesting

 

[BAMARICH]

It's an easy thing to say, but...

It's not necessarily true. It's a bit like saying free agency ended the dynasties in pro sports, which at first glance makes sense. If you could just keep a Bill Russell or a Babe Ruth, having a dynasty was much easier. But we still saw dynasties form after that.

Kiffin's statements are under the assumption that rosters will still have to radically change from year to year, but that's not necessarily the case. We're seeing the rise of extended eligibility, I predicted that with NIL and Alabama is about to face a guy playing in his six year of college football.

How does that apply to potential dynasties? Well, let's say Oregon football ends up with a pretty good trio of skill players. Let's say for example, it's along the lines of Jacob Coker, Ardarius Stewart, and Derrick Henry.

I chose Stewart (instead of Ridley) and the year Coker was there for a reason. Coker and Stewart both made less than a million a year under their rookie contract. With current NIL payments, paying them more than that, especially for a program like Oregon is trivial. Even Henry was making less than two million a year!

So, you offer Stewart and Coker a million a year to keep playing college, and you expect continued development from both of them. You pay Henry 3 million a year or so, and he continues to brutalize college football. You can build a dynasty around that sort of thing. To apply that even within current confines, Cam Newton only played 3 years in the FBS and one of those years he played little enough to redshirt. So, you can have Cam Newton at least two more years without changing the status quo.

That's just one scenario, but NIL, rich boosters, and breaking the eligibility rules will open new pathways to domination. What might be more accurate is that we can't necessarily expect the same dynasties we've seen in the past moving forward, because now it's more about deep pockets than anything else.

With the rules currently in place, CLK is absolutely correct. The major issue with college football is that it takes so many people on a roster to establish a dynasty whereas basketball by comparison is so much easier. Even colleges with deep pockets won't be able to sustain it.