Me too. I'd like to see some details on this. Are these sick people mostly undocumented or are they morons enabled by the likes of RFK Jr. who choose not to vaccinate themselves or their children?
President-elect Trump's appointments part II
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While cases of measles are often brought to the United States, both North and South America have seen the eradication of measles in the last 20 years. So the measles aren't generally from illegal immigrants from our Southern and Northern borders, but more typically from legal residents who bring it back from other parts of the world. The subsequent outbreaks are often directly due to the lack of adequate vaccination rates for measles here in the US. You need a 95% plus vaccination rate due to the extremely contagious nature of measles, as it is much more contagious than flu, COVID, and others.
RFK has no medical or scientific training.
He has widely published and proposed pseudoscientific ideas that are demonstrably false.
He has no qualifications or experience to run an agency as large and critical as HHS.
Plus, he is just weird. Narcissistic and psychopathic traits figure strongly in his make up.
As a physician, it strikes me as a very stupid appointment that makes no sense. There is no logic here.
If you want a disruptor, get someone who understands the field and has the basic competencies and understanding to make things happen. But be aware, you are faced with lots of money that does not want a change. Good luck. You will need it.
Even if an infected immigrant brought it over they would have to be in the midst of an unvaccinated population for their to be an outbreak.
The outbreak is on us for an eroding vaccinated population...
Your avatar suggests you should know answers to such questions.
The outbreak is on us for an eroding vaccinated population...
Your avatar suggests you should know answers to such questions.
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The argument for forced vaccination is not just about about protecting the vaccinated but also about protecting those who cannot take the vaccines / have greater immunodeficiency.
IOW, you cannot argue that vaccines should be mandated while saying the only people affected would be the unvaccinated, as they made that choice. The argument for mandatory vaccinations revolve about herd immunity - stopping the infection from spreading to the immuno-compromised.
Absolutely! This is why vaccines should be mandated for all children who attend public or publicly-funded (vouchers) schools, with exceptions allowed only for those who have a medical condition that precludes immunizations.
Pretty sure that's the norm even here in TN. I know my kiddos had to provide shot records showing they were up to date on all the basic vaccines before entering college. Some vaccines are optional (Gardasil, Covid, flu etc).
When we get to the point of RFK blocking and pulling vaccines, we can only hope that the DPT, Polio, Varicella, and MMR shots will continue and be mandatory. Otherwise it will get pretty bad as the years roll by and we have no effective treatments of these disease beyond the vaccines.
And definitely tetanus. Tetanus remains around 50% fatal if you get it, and it is a slow and painful death. The tetanus vaccine is one of the safest medications on the planet and close to 100% effective.
they will target the MMR vaccine within weeks if not days. MMR is what kick started the entire problem after that fraud Wakefield started his grift. Kennedy has been trying for at least a decade, it will be one of the first things he tries, right after they "look into the dangers of mifepristone". It is going to get terrible for women and children in this country really, really soon
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The anti-vaccine lunacy is already making headway in red states. I posted about Louisiana in another thread and here's some news from last fall from the Free State of Florida, led by MoRon and his idiot Surgeon General.
Vaccine opt-outs continue to climb in Florida schools
...Florida's surgeon general, Joseph Ladapo, is a well-known vaccine skeptic and has often made claims about COVID-19 vaccines that experts describe as "nonsensical."
- In 2022, he recommended that children aged 5-17 not get vaccinated against COVID-19. Last year, he broadened that recommendation to those younger than 65.
- He also bucked federal health guidelines on measles — one of the world's most contagious viruses — in February by not urging parents to vaccinate their children against it.
Texas measles outbreak 2025: Dozens of cases reported in last 3 weeks
In the last three weeks, 48 cases of measles have been identified, sending 13 patients to the hospital, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services.
Texas measles outbreak 2025: Dozens of cases reported in last 3 weeks
A measles outbreak in Texas' South Plains region continues to spread.
In the last three weeks, 48 cases of measles have been identified, sending 13 patients to the hospital, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services. The number of cases has doubled since Tuesday, Feb. 11.
The majority of the cases are in Gaines County, but other cases have been detected in Lynn, Terry and Yoakum County.
All of the cases are detected among people who are either unvaccinated or their vaccination status is unknown.
I agree - I can only hope that RFK's back-pedaling regarding proven, effective vaccines wasn't just lip service.
Has there been back-pedaling? I read where he said on Fox that he wouldn't take away anyone's vaccines, but it seemed he would continue to push his views through misinformation and fear-mongering.
From the February 11th Washington Post (I'm running out of gift articles for the month):
In at least 34 appearances, Kennedy called for placebo-controlled studies for vaccines that have already been approved for use, The Post found in a review of more than 400 of Kennedy’s podcast appearances, interviews and public speeches since 2020. In his push for vaccine safety, Kennedy has repeatedly falsely linked vaccines to deaths without evidence, saying “that’s the danger of not having placebo-controlled trials.”
But experts say placebo-controlled trials — where one group of people gets a medicine or treatment and the other does not — would be irresponsible to apply to most vaccines because it could deprive people of immunizations already proved to prevent infectious disease. In practice, that could mean several thousand children in Chicago, for instance, would not get childhood vaccinations, while their neighbors did.
In an interview with a health and wellness influencer in January 2024 while he was mounting his campaign for president, Kennedy vowed that if he won the presidency, he would “reorient” National Institutes of Health research efforts to focus on vaccine safety, saying “none of the childhood [vaccines] have ever been studied” and “we ought to evaluate the risk profile realistically over long periods of time.” In a separate 2023 interview, he promised to “immediately do placebo-controlled trials.”
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Kennedy’s insistence that vaccines are not regulated adequately fits a broad pattern of his disparagement of them despite overwhelming scientific evidence, a previous Post examination found. Public health leaders fear that if Kennedy is confirmed to run the Department of Health and Human Services, his views will seep into the nation’s vaccine policy, delay the development of lifesaving shots and further intensify vaccine hesitancy.
“He’s going to do everything he can to weaken the infrastructure of vaccines,” said Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.
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Newly developed vaccines for diseases that do not have an existing one undergo such placebo-controlled trials — such as the first iterations of the coronavirus vaccine. But for diseases where a vaccine exists, the medical community considers it unethical to deprive children or adults of an effective vaccine that could protect them from harmful and potentially deadly pathogens.
Thus those new variations of those vaccines undergo clinical trials, in which the control group receives the prior vaccine that is considered the standard of care, and its outcomes are monitored against the group that receives the newly formulated vaccine.
What Kennedy repeatedly suggests — running placebo-control trials on previously approved vaccines — flies in the face of medical ethics, Adalja said.
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Kennedy’s argument that the vaccines are not fully tested also overlooks those who could suffer if placed in the placebo group, Offit said, pointing to the “casual cruelty” of the U.S. polio vaccine trial organized by the nonprofit health organization March of Dimes. In 1954, a polio vaccine created by Jonas Salk was tested against a placebo group of hundreds of thousands of children against his wishes, as Salk believed it was probably effective against the disease and thought giving them a placebo would be immoral.
While 420,000 U.S. children were given Salk’s inactivated polio vaccine, 200,000 were inoculated with salt water. The 16 children who died were all in the placebo group, and 34 were paralyzed, Offit said, according to research he had done for a book.
That kind of trade-off is unacceptable when there already are vaccines that are known to prevent infectious disease, Offit said.
Vaccine safety testing
Kennedy has repeatedly claimed that vaccines are not tested as much as medicines when he makes his pitch for placebo-controlled studies.
“They’re the only medicine or medical product that are exempt from pre-licensing safety trials,” Kennedy said in an interview with Piers Morgan in 2023.
Experts say his claim that vaccines do not undergo pre-licensing safety trials is not true — vaccines go through several stages of clinical trials before approval. Thousands of people are studied along the way to determine vaccines’ safety and effectiveness before they are rolled out to the public. And after vaccines are in use, companies, health-care providers and the federal government monitor for additional adverse events.
Kennedy’s claims that vaccines aren’t tested as much as medicines are also false, said David Gorski, a Wayne State University School of Medicine professor of surgery and oncology and managing editor of Science-Based Medicine, which debunks misinformation in medicine.
“It’s exactly the opposite, they’re tested way more rigorously than medicines,” he said, noting that while medicines are given to treat a condition, vaccines are given to healthy people, so the tolerance for risk of adverse events is much lower.
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Kennedy, however, often falsely links the growing vaccine schedule — which has grown along with scientific breakthroughs — to autism, food allergies and chronic disease.
“Not one of those 72 vaccines has ever had a pre-licensing safety study, which means nobody can tell you whether that product is going to have heard more problems than it causes,” Kennedy said in an appearance on Chris Cuomo’s NewsNation show last year.
Arguing that not a single childhood vaccine was ever studied before it was licensed is false, experts say. Additionally, it’s a claim that ignores the safety systems set up to catch vaccine injuries and safety signals, experts said, allowing vaccines to be pulled off the market if they are found to be unsafe. That process was on display when the government’s extensive monitoring system for adverse events linked the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine to a rare side effect — blood clots that resulted in nine patient deaths in the United States. That vaccine was pulled.
Kennedy’s long history of throwing out scientific-sounding statements should not disguise the truth of the robust vaccine monitoring that takes place in the United States, said Richard Hughes IV, a former vice president of public policy at Moderna who teaches vaccine law at the George Washington University Law School.
“What [Kennedy] does is he repeats this and it sounds important, it sounds like why would we not develop the safety data?” Hughes said. “And lawmakers sometimes buy into that and say ‘Well, why shouldn’t we have the safety data?’ But the fact is we already have the safety data. And we have these robust systems for continuously monitoring vaccines.”
I was referring to his previous comments that there were no safe vaccines. He back tracked a bit on that, but I fear his overall attitude will cause more infections.
Maybe I'm being naive about Kennedy but he bothers me much less than Gates,Hegseth, Patel, Gabbard and maybe Zeldin. I dont see him working to ban any vaccines, just not support them like they should be. He may even do some good. The others were dangerous appointments. 
between him and Doge all the research we've historically done will be gutted by Doge and then delayed by the ignorance and crazy conspiracy bs of Kennedy but your point stands it doesn't really matter at this point as our intelligence apparatus will be gone and our military significantly and irreparably harmed by a drunk white nationalist.Maybe I'm being naive about Kennedy but he bothers me much less than Gates,Hegseth, Patel, Gabbard and maybe Zeldin. I dont see him working to ban any vaccines, just not support them like they should be. He may even do some good. The others were dangerous appointments.
I'd really like to congratulate Putin, can't win a conventional war against an outmatched former client state but can take us down, to thunderous applause, by our own stupidity and prejudice.
Good.
nypost.com
Americans on food stamps could be banned from buying ‘bad food and sugary drinks,’ Trump USDA chief says
“When a taxpayer is putting money into SNAP, are we OK with us using their tax dollars to feed really bad food and sugary drinks to children who perhaps need something more nutritious?”…
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This. When I was at the Capstone I worked at a grocery store for spending money. The store I worked at was down on the south end of Greensboro Ave in a somewhat impoverished area, at least at that time in the late 70's.Good.
Americans on food stamps could be banned from buying ‘bad food and sugary drinks,’ Trump USDA chief says
“When a taxpayer is putting money into SNAP, are we OK with us using their tax dollars to feed really bad food and sugary drinks to children who perhaps need something more nutritious?”…
I estimate that the number of food stamp customers was probably 50% or more of the total customers. I distinctly remember the carts full of 2-liter soft drinks, cookies, candy, etc. Some of our best cuts of meat were sold to food stamp recipients, while the others that had to pay cash bought flour in twenty pound bags, bought hamburger meat, etc.
I believe that those on public assistance need good nutrition and should not be shamed over taking assistance but there needs to be some guidance or something to spend the money more wisely, or better, more nutritious food.
I once worked in a grocery store and I saw a lot of the things mentioned above. I support limiting what can be bought with them.
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