Robbins and Marsh to be dropped...
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Looks like we found this at the same time
I fixed your link so it fit the format.
As a result of the information Marsh and Robbins are expected to provide, plans are under way to add Kramer as a defendant to the lawsuit as well as NCAA investigator Rich Johanningmeier and NCAA president Myles Brand, a source familiar with the case said Tuesday while speaking on the condition of anonymity.
It doesn't look like the list is getting any shorter. Just different people on the hot seat.
The ripple effect:
A ripple effect of dismissing Marsh and Robbins from the suit could be the emergence of a Congressional investigation into the case, the source said. Sen. Richard Shelby has indicated to Gallion that once no one affiliated with the University of Alabama is named in the case that his investigation would move forward.
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I fixed your link so it fit the format.
As a result of the information Marsh and Robbins are expected to provide, plans are under way to add Kramer as a defendant to the lawsuit as well as NCAA investigator Rich Johanningmeier and NCAA president Myles Brand, a source familiar with the case said Tuesday while speaking on the condition of anonymity.
It doesn't look like the list is getting any shorter. Just different people on the hot seat.
The ripple effect:
A ripple effect of dismissing Marsh and Robbins from the suit could be the emergence of a Congressional investigation into the case, the source said. Sen. Richard Shelby has indicated to Gallion that once no one affiliated with the University of Alabama is named in the case that his investigation would move forward.
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They are aiding the case for Williams & Cottrell!
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Now this is very good news for the good guys. I bet the ncaa is upset, to say the least.
Here's a quote from an earlier article about Marsh and Robbins, I posted it before but I still wonder about it.
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Tommy Keene, the Montgomery attorney who represents Marsh and Robbins, said his clients met with Gallion about a month ago and began discussing the issues.
"When all the parties got together and talked it through, we determined there was a lot of misinformation going around and we cleared it up," Keene said.
"He will most likely dismiss the lawsuit against my clients ... I'd say within the next week or two. He knows that Gene and Marie were not given a lot of information by the NCAA and were misled like some of his clients were misled. We're very hopeful they're going to drop Gene and Marie and pursue their case against the NCAA, Tom Culpepper and the others."
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong here. I understood the University was responsible for Marsh & Robbins defense since they were and still are University employees. That suggests their lawyers were hired by the University.
So when that lawyer says "We're very hopeful they're going to drop Gene and Marie and pursue their case against the NCAA, Tom Culpepper and the others" does that mean the University will now approve of the Gallion suits? Sure sounds like it.
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Here's a quote from an earlier article about Marsh and Robbins, I posted it before but I still wonder about it.
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Tommy Keene, the Montgomery attorney who represents Marsh and Robbins, said his clients met with Gallion about a month ago and began discussing the issues.
"When all the parties got together and talked it through, we determined there was a lot of misinformation going around and we cleared it up," Keene said.
"He will most likely dismiss the lawsuit against my clients ... I'd say within the next week or two. He knows that Gene and Marie were not given a lot of information by the NCAA and were misled like some of his clients were misled. We're very hopeful they're going to drop Gene and Marie and pursue their case against the NCAA, Tom Culpepper and the others."
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong here. I understood the University was responsible for Marsh & Robbins defense since they were and still are University employees. That suggests their lawyers were hired by the University.
So when that lawyer says "We're very hopeful they're going to drop Gene and Marie and pursue their case against the NCAA, Tom Culpepper and the others" does that mean the University will now approve of the Gallion suits? Sure sounds like it.
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I'm going to tell you folks something...
Richard Shelby has got some pull in Washington, especially with the FBI and other security agencies.
This is bad news for some folks in Memphis.
Wait and see. The charges against Young will be dropped.
It didn't make sense, anyway. If it was such and open and shut case and so blatant, as some of our opponents say, then why is it taking over two years to even get a trial? I mean, sure, the government is slow, but I have never seen a case that was supposed to be so open and shut (as deeemed by the NCAA) to take so long.
Richard Shelby has got some pull in Washington, especially with the FBI and other security agencies.
This is bad news for some folks in Memphis.
Wait and see. The charges against Young will be dropped.
It didn't make sense, anyway. If it was such and open and shut case and so blatant, as some of our opponents say, then why is it taking over two years to even get a trial? I mean, sure, the government is slow, but I have never seen a case that was supposed to be so open and shut (as deeemed by the NCAA) to take so long.
It's about time that Kramer got invited to Gallion's party. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.
Somehow this deal doesn't seem to be going according to fulmer's plan. Everything was roses for him for a long time, but now...
If the prosecution of Young in Memphis is dirty, it will be very interesting to see how it plays out. I don't imagine Mr. Godwin thought he would be explaining his office's activities to a Senator from Alabama.
Somehow this deal doesn't seem to be going according to fulmer's plan. Everything was roses for him for a long time, but now...
If the prosecution of Young in Memphis is dirty, it will be very interesting to see how it plays out. I don't imagine Mr. Godwin thought he would be explaining his office's activities to a Senator from Alabama.
I don't generally read books about football, etc. but I cannot wait until the definitive book on this entire fiasco comes out! That will be SOME good read!
Probably make a heck of a good made-for-tv movie also.
Tubama
Probably make a heck of a good made-for-tv movie also.
Tubama
The problem that I see with this whole thing is that this will probably end up hurting UA. I believe that this whole mess was brought about by the NCAA wanting to stick it to Alabama for the outcome of the Langham affair. The NCAA is a vindictive organization. They hae already been embarassed by this whole lawsuit, with Gallion airing their dirty laundry (e.g. Fulmer and Richie Johanningmeyer) in public. When the dust settles, they will once again want revenge. And where will they turn? Back to Alabama, whether or not the University was really involved. They will want to lash out, and Bama will be the most available target. The only way Bama can avoid this is if the NCAA's power is completely destroyed by this suit. This would be a great, but in my opinion rather unlikely, outcome.
You may be right , but I have a feeling that if everything goes down as we all expect, then the NCAA will want to stay as far away from Bama as possible.
Lets hope anyway. ROLL TIDE! GALLION FOR PRESIDENT!
TiM,
Not only has it been two years, but it took more than a year AFTER they had gotten the testimony/plea agreements from Lang and Kirk before they even indicted LY.
What took so long, Mr. Godwin? Did someone get their lies crossed up?
Not only has it been two years, but it took more than a year AFTER they had gotten the testimony/plea agreements from Lang and Kirk before they even indicted LY.
What took so long, Mr. Godwin? Did someone get their lies crossed up?
Here's a post from Bamaonline, I thought it had some good thoughts:
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Post #1603 OK Jeff, here is the bottom line. This trial is 500% more important Reply
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than one football season. Why? Because if someone didn't stand up for Alabama and try to get to the bottom of this, we were dead. From these proceedings we have found out that your fat head coach was not satisfied with just hanging us out to dry on the Memphis affair. He was not satisfied with a two year bowl ban and 21 scholarship reduction. He wanted to kill us off. After our sanctions were announced, the scumbag was already trying to dig up dirt on Dennis Franchoine. He wanted some new allegations to run to the NCAA with so that the NCAA would be forced to give us the death penalty. With the way the NCAA has treated us the past 10 years, there is no doubt in my mind they would be able to find something somewhere over the next five years to shut us down. Had Gallion not started his cruisade, the NCAA process would have never been exposed. We would have never known that Fulmer was a secret witness against us. And, the NCAA would have kept us in the dark. Remember, it wasn't until Jim Neal received the ability to make documents public that we FINALLY RECEIVED AN ALL-CLEAR MESSAGE FROM THE NCAA. Now, keep in mind, we had already been punished for the Memphis mess, but the NCAA felt it necessary to leave us twisting in the wind for nearly two more years. Hopefully, the NCAA will be forced to answer to their unfair practices. Gene Marsh's affidavit will be very revealing. Did you hear any of it on Finebaum yesterday?
If you did, you heard Marsh say that Rich Johanigmeir flat out told Marsh that Tom Culpepper's testimony would not be used in the NCAA's case. So, since they were told the NCAA would not use that evidence, Marsh did not address it in his written response. What happens when Marsh and Robbins show up for the pre-hearing conference? The NCAA expresses disappointment and shock that Marsh did not address Culpepper's testimony in his official response. Do you see the kind of games the NCAA was playing? We were supposed to be operating under the cooperative principle and yet, the NCAA pulled crap like this.
To sum up, Alabama, through this lawsuit filed by Ronnie Cotrell and Ivy Williams, is fighting for its life. Had they not filed suit, we were dead. Fulmer and his UT cronies were going to make sure of that. So, forgive us if we do not spend the majority of our time contemplating the 2004 football season. We know what is in store for us. We know we are going to struggle for the next few years. The Cotrell case is just way too important for our survival.
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Post #1603 OK Jeff, here is the bottom line. This trial is 500% more important Reply
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than one football season. Why? Because if someone didn't stand up for Alabama and try to get to the bottom of this, we were dead. From these proceedings we have found out that your fat head coach was not satisfied with just hanging us out to dry on the Memphis affair. He was not satisfied with a two year bowl ban and 21 scholarship reduction. He wanted to kill us off. After our sanctions were announced, the scumbag was already trying to dig up dirt on Dennis Franchoine. He wanted some new allegations to run to the NCAA with so that the NCAA would be forced to give us the death penalty. With the way the NCAA has treated us the past 10 years, there is no doubt in my mind they would be able to find something somewhere over the next five years to shut us down. Had Gallion not started his cruisade, the NCAA process would have never been exposed. We would have never known that Fulmer was a secret witness against us. And, the NCAA would have kept us in the dark. Remember, it wasn't until Jim Neal received the ability to make documents public that we FINALLY RECEIVED AN ALL-CLEAR MESSAGE FROM THE NCAA. Now, keep in mind, we had already been punished for the Memphis mess, but the NCAA felt it necessary to leave us twisting in the wind for nearly two more years. Hopefully, the NCAA will be forced to answer to their unfair practices. Gene Marsh's affidavit will be very revealing. Did you hear any of it on Finebaum yesterday?
If you did, you heard Marsh say that Rich Johanigmeir flat out told Marsh that Tom Culpepper's testimony would not be used in the NCAA's case. So, since they were told the NCAA would not use that evidence, Marsh did not address it in his written response. What happens when Marsh and Robbins show up for the pre-hearing conference? The NCAA expresses disappointment and shock that Marsh did not address Culpepper's testimony in his official response. Do you see the kind of games the NCAA was playing? We were supposed to be operating under the cooperative principle and yet, the NCAA pulled crap like this.
To sum up, Alabama, through this lawsuit filed by Ronnie Cotrell and Ivy Williams, is fighting for its life. Had they not filed suit, we were dead. Fulmer and his UT cronies were going to make sure of that. So, forgive us if we do not spend the majority of our time contemplating the 2004 football season. We know what is in store for us. We know we are going to struggle for the next few years. The Cotrell case is just way too important for our survival.
I don't think that the NCAA, as we know it, will exist when the dust has settled. I look for a new organization to start policing the top 60-70 football programs.
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