Russia invades Ukraine - VI

crimsonaudio · Mar 22, 2022

uafanataum said:
While this is likely the only ending that does not involve Ukraine being at least temporarily taken over, it is quite unsatisfying. The Russians get to invade Ukraine and kill thousands of people and leave when they decide they have had enough?

I get the desire for punishment for russia, but there's only so much that can be done outside of war.

That said, if Ukraine does get a ceasefire and a return of their land from russia in exchange for agreeing to cease trying to get into NATO (which I don't think they were ever getting into anyway), then that's about as good as it gets.

One commentator said today, "the only way to end this is a deal that will make no one happy, but will be disappointedly agreed upon by all parties", and that's likely true. The only alternatives are putin getting overthrown (highly unlikely) or tucking tail and going home (even more unlikely).

Go Bama · Mar 22, 2022

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505970078973579266

Tug Tide · Mar 22, 2022

92tide said:
just damn

The ignore list grows by one

seebell · Mar 22, 2022

Huntsville family offering their home to Ukrainian refugees on new site

A new website allows homeowners to offer up extra space in their home to Ukrainian refugees.

whnt.com

https://www.ukrainetakeshelter.com/

92tide · Mar 22, 2022

another one of those things that I really hope is true

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506265327973376009

Tidewater · Mar 22, 2022

PaulD said:
There are rumors that Biden might add a visit to Ukraine. If it happens (and I don't think it will for several reasons), I can't imagine we'll know about it ahead of time.

There is effectively zero chance the president will go into Ukraine. Those rumors are silly. Why would he? We have no troops on the ground. There is no way to protect him there. The Secret Service would absolutely flip out if he suggested it.

Tidewater · Mar 22, 2022

92tide said:
another one of those things that I really hope is true

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506265327973376009

Would be nice, but red lines on a map do not represent how things are on the ground.
It may well be that Russian troops in Irpin and Bucha are having a tough time getting supplies in, due to Ukrainian ambushes in the Russian rear.
To draw an analogy, Kampfgruppe Peiper in the Battle of the Bulge advanced to a certain point, and then could not get supplies. The Luftwaffe airdropped fuel barrels to him (hardly efficient). Eventually, Peiper and his men abandoned their vehicles and walked back to Germany. One of his tanks is still at La Gleize.
The Russians in Bucha and Irpin do not have to be surrounded and surrender for a Peiper-like situation to hold. If they cannot be supplied, they might have to abandon vehicles and withdraw, but I doubt the Ukrainians have sufficient combat power to seal the Russians in a Stalingrad-like pocket.

Bodhisattva · Mar 22, 2022

Original post:

This Friday Lily's Spring Break begins. We are going to San Antonio and Austin for a week. I think we will make it a point to visit this bakery.

A Ukrainian-owned bakery in Texas took a stance against the war by donating a weekend's worth of their sales to Ukraine.

Thousands of people in San Antonio stood in a line, which wrapped around several blocks, to enter Laika Cheesecakes and Espresso, where every dollar they spent went to the victims of the Russian invasion.

In just three days, from February 25-27, Ukrainian business owner Anna Afanasieva raised more than $72,400 for her country with the help of her Slovakian business partner Viktor Krizma.

A San Antonio bakery raised more than $70,000 for Ukraine by donating all their proceeds for a weekend | CNN

A Ukrainian-owned bakery in Texas took a stance against the war by donating a weekend's worth of their sales to Ukraine.

www.cnn.com

Update:

We got back from our trip this weekend. We did visit the Ukrainian bakery. I relayed our intentions to friends and neighbors but did not solicit contributions. A lot of people did so anyway. The bakery was still taking donations. We were able to put several thousand dollars toward the defense effort. We also put a similar amount in the tip jar for the employees.

Bodhisattva · Mar 22, 2022

My wife has been contacted about going to one of the countries bordering Ukraine for a medical mission to help with the refugee crisis. It's TBD if she can go, as she has already committed to go to Bolivia next month and we are going as a family to Honduras in July. Maybe we can go to Eastern Europe as a family later in the Summer. But that may not be realistic ... or wise. Like most everyone else, she is furious and heartsick at all the evil wrought on the civilian population.

TexasBama · Mar 22, 2022

Go Bama said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505970078973579266

One’s in black and white and the other is in color?

TIDE-HSV · Mar 22, 2022

Tidewater said:
Would be nice, but red lines on a map do not represent how things are on the ground.
It may well be that Russian troops in Irpin and Bucha are having a tough time getting supplies in, due to Ukrainian ambushes in the Russian rear.
To draw an analogy, Kampfgruppe Peiper in the Battle of the Bulge advanced to a certain point, and then could not get supplies. The Luftwaffe airdropped fuel barrels to him (hardly efficient). Eventually, Peiper and his men abandoned their vehicles and walked back to Germany. One of his tanks is still at La Gleize.
The Russians in Bucha and Irpin do not have to be surrounded and surrender for a Peiper-like situation to hold. If they cannot be supplied, they might have to abandon vehicles and withdraw, but I doubt the Ukrainians have sufficient combat power to seal the Russians in a Stalingrad-like pocket.

IOW, no "Kesselschlacht"...