Russia Invades Ukraine VII

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I guess I'm trying to figure out Soviet logic. The Moscow went to the bottom because of an unexplained fire, which couldn't possibly have been caused by Ukrainians, so it must have been us instead. OTOH, they are so enraged, they're going to step up bombardment on Ukraine, particularly Kyiv - because the US did it?? If Poot does detonate a tack-nuke, I think we should give Zelensky his no-fly zone. Not only that, but any accountable missile sites, even on Russian soil, should be taken out. He seems to want "unpredictable." He should get it...
 

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I guess I'm trying to figure out Soviet logic. The Moscow went to the bottom because of an unexplained fire, which couldn't possibly have been caused by Ukrainians, so it must have been us instead. OTOH, they are so enraged, they're going to step up bombardment on Ukraine, particularly Kyiv - because the US did it?? If Poot does detonate a tack-nuke, I think we should give Zelensky his no-fly zone. Not only that, but any accountable missile sites, even on Russian soil, should be taken out. He seems to want "unpredictable." He should get it...
Maybe not so much about logic but power, what story they are able not to convince of but to enforce.
 

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I guess I'm trying to figure out Soviet logic. The Moscow went to the bottom because of an unexplained fire, which couldn't possibly have been caused by Ukrainians, so it must have been us instead. OTOH, they are so enraged, they're going to step up bombardment on Ukraine, particularly Kyiv - because the US did it?? If Poot does detonate a tack-nuke, I think we should give Zelensky his no-fly zone. Not only that, but any accountable missile sites, even on Russian soil, should be taken out. He seems to want "unpredictable." He should get it...
I'd point out that the Russian intel is good enough that, while blaming us, when we have no capabilities in the area at the time, they immediately bombed the factory in Kyiv where the Neptun missiles are manufactured...
 

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Getting the Mi-17 helicopters from arms dealers?
I think the 6th Special Operations Squadron (USAF SO FID Unit) had them, that or various DIA or testing centers.
Maybe Go Bama is right. We got them gently barely used from the Afghans.
It is nice to contrast the "screw my country, I ain't fighting for my country, I'm outta here" conduct of the Afghans with that of the Ukrainians. Ukrainians, facing, longer odds, have fought hard for their country. One president left as soon as he could, the other said, "I don't need a ride. I need ammo."
Anybody who lifts a finger for Afghanistan in the future is an idiot and should have to sign an acknowledgment that he is, in fact, an idiot.
 
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This explains a bit.
Demographics is destiny.
Here’s a telling chart from Peter Zeihan, who is a wonderful source of information on the future of countries. Google him and you’ll turn up a bunch of links and sites.


This chart shows that (1) Every Russian soldier that’s lost can’t be replaced, simply because the population in the age bands associated with military combat are astonishingly low.

Additionally (2), in one of Ziehan’s commentaries, he says that even these disastrous numbers are padded. According to him, by about 4 million children.

I think they mostly drink themselves to an early death...
There’s a lot of truth to that. They also lost, and still lose, a bunch of people to HIV.

From a life expectancy standpoint, Russia is third world at best, and getting worse fast.

Another factor is that they house families in unusually cramped conditions, which means precious little privacy, which means not much opportunity for conjugal relations, which means fewer children.

Plus, who wants to bring a child into that mess of a life anyway?
 
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A good piece by CNN on the Russian population in Estonia and Estonian efforts to
The one bit CNN did not mention was that the Russophone population in Estonia is in two lumps: the first consists of the Russian speakers in Narva on the Russian border. These Russian-speakers have friends and family members across the way, go there all the time and can see the difference between life in Estonia and life in Russia. They like their Estonian passports.
The other lump is 2.5 hours west in the suburbs of Tallinn. They do not go to Russia. What they know of Russia is what they see on Russian television. They tend to be of the "refusenik" bent politically. They cannot pick up "over the airwaves" broadcasts from Russia (Tallinn is too far away). They have to get a satellite dish. The Estonian blockage of Russian television may be aimed at them.
 
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